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  1. PianoGuy24

    PianoGuy24 GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    So, is it cooling down like we were told in the 70’s or warming up like Al (Chicken Little) Gore says. Or, is the Earth just doing what it always does in it’s regular cycles with it’s relationship with the Sun?

  2. Michael wme

    Michael wme said, 11 months ago

    @PianoGuy24

    You’re absolutely right.


    Back in the ‘50s, PhD students in meteorology would pick one day of the year, climb up to the bottom of a glacier and drive a stake. When they came back on the same day of the year three years later, they noted if the glacier was above or below (about 50/50 back then) and extrapolated for their dissertation: If the ice was a foot lower, in 5,280 years it would be a mile lower, with ice covering much of the US; if it were a foot higher, in 5,280 years the glacier would be completely gone, and the US would be tropical.


    Now, of course, all those glaciers terminate much higher up the mountain than their highest termination in the ’50s. And one can no longer get a PhD in meteorology with a dissertation that supports global cooling, as some did in the ’50s. But that will certainly change.


    Some of us can remember, back in 1600, when lots of explorers easily found the Northwest passage, but, getting on in years (they’re now in their four hundreds) they always forgot where it was, and weren’t able to find it again until this millennium. But we’re sure PianoGuy24’s right, the Northwest passage just keeps opening and closing every few years. No evidence at all of any serious warming, other than the normal cycle.


    And New Jersey hasn’t gotten cold enough to kill the pine beetles since 1996, when those beetles were usually killed off every few years. Again, just normal weather. Seventeen is just a few years, and we’re sure they’ll all get killed off in a year or two, as usual.


    (And the New York Times says that an economist says that the economy is so resilient that climate change won’t have any serious economic effect, so nothing to worry about, even if the Greenland and Antarctic ice caps slip off into the ocean.)

  3. Clark  Kent

    Clark Kent said, 11 months ago

    No problem. An asteroid will hit the planet sending trillions of tons of ash into the atmosphere blocking sunlight and causing colder weather. Or a supervolcano, such as Yellowstone, will erupt doing the same thing. Or nuclear war will break out causing nuclear winter. Then again a nearby star could go supernova which would fry us.

  4. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, 11 months ago

    Science deals mostly in probabilities, not certainties. But a wise man plays the odds. What astonishes me about “deniers” is their willingness to stake the future of the planet on a long shot, and act on blind faith to do it.

    They are so certain that they can infallibly predict the future that are willing to literally risk the future of the planet rather than admit the possibility that might be wrong and take precautions accordingly: precautions not based on the assumption that AGW IS a problem, but based on the acknowledgement that it MIGHT be a problem.

    What other threat would they simply ignore? I lock my door at night (and perhaps take other precautions) not because I expect someone to try invade my home, but because I know it is possible, though I have never been the victim of crime. I haven’t had an auto accident in years, but I wear a seat belt. The TSA has not, as far as I know, stopped a single terrorist plot against an airplane: should we drop all those airport security checks?

    Just because you don’t want to be a Chicken Little does not mean you have to be a Pollyanna. One is as bad as the other, and a person with a little wisdom, a little skepticism, will neither panic over a threat nor ignore it.

    Not to mention the simple fact that most all the things the “Chicken Littles” want us to do, increase efficiency and move from finite and dirty to infinite and cleaner sources of energy, are all things that will be good for the economy and the planet in the long run, even if AGW is a mistake.

  5. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, 11 months ago

    Oh, I know, here’s a metaphor some folks will like.

    Climate change deniers are the Neville Chamberlains of our age. The Churchills are pointing to the ever growing aggression of Nazi Germany, and urging us to spend lots of money arming ourselves and preparing for war, but he is called Chicken Little, an alarmist and a warmonger. The evidence that Hitler’s ambitions will not be confined to occupying the Rhineland, Austria, the Sudetenland, are growing all the time, but Chamberlain say we will have peace in our time! The fact that some countries have already suffered can be ignored if they are not OUR country. Rather than inconvenience themselves with higher taxes and military conscription, the Chamberlains simply deny the threat is real, or insist that the present lull will be permanent, or that it will all balance out in the end, and Germany will go no further. … If course, that Germany would invade Czechoslovakia and then Poland was a lot less inevitable or predictable than GW is, and I am being rather unfair to Neville Chamberlain, who was less blindly optimistic than the GW deniers are being.

  6. JmcaRice

    JmcaRice GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    We could start by shutting down all of the coal plants; now that Robert Byrd is dead.

  7. lisapaloma13

    lisapaloma13 said, 11 months ago

    @Doughfoot

    Thumbs-up!

  8. lisapaloma13

    lisapaloma13 said, 11 months ago

    @Doughfoot

    Well said. Not to mention the $$$ that could be made by those who put profits over the future by investing in efficiency instead of being dinosaurs and insisting in continuing the same lifestyle. Let-s be mammals instead.

  9. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    You mean it is to late for me to pay at the door for my sin of CO2? aaah shucks. Well that is how the world wobbles.

  10. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Doughfoot

    What astonishes me about “deniers” is their willingness to stake the future of the planet on a long shot, and act on blind faith to do it. "
    And for us heretics in the church of Gorbull warming, we can not see why you place such faith in politicians. Al Gory and his sci fi horror flick brought in a few million with his pay at the door Carbon credit scheme. Obama uses fear and the EPA to shut down coal plants, why? Because the multi million “scrubbers” are 97% effective and Obama wants 99%. Keystone pipe line is the worlds most advance, studied, debated pipeline. Pipelines have been shown to be the most effetain way to move oil. But Obama will not approve it, so that oil is staying on the more dangerous rail road.
    Obama also would rather stay in the middle east then DRILL HERE AND DRILL NOW! Yet Obama who does all he can to “protect us” from drilling on anything federal land, takes credit for all the drilling done on private land despite his EPA.

    hose are but a few examples off the top of my head.

  11. Kip W

    Kip W said, 11 months ago

    Twist, writhe, quibble, deny. Somebody makes a pertinent analogy, so attack some element of the analogy! HA! Did it! Now we can continue to avoid commonsense measures (somewhat akin to not drinking from the cesspool) that we should be taking anyway, as grownups living on a planet.

    And why is it so important? Because it might cut into our third quarter profits! Once again, we see that GOP stands for

    Goods

    Over

    People.

  12. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @JmcaRice

    We could start by shutting down all of the coal plants; now that Robert Byrd is dead.
    Obama’s EPA is all over that. It is for our own good you know.
    But what is he replacing it with? Magic green jobs? Talk about a lot of smoke and no fire.

  13. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Kip W

    Because it might cut into our third quarter profits! "
    Oh no Profits. Well no worries, since Obama has been President not may have been able to profit to much in his socialist utopia

  14. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Genome Project

    You and the other deniers in these comments sections always bring up Al Gore and politicize the issue,"
    1. I am a heretic in his church of Gorgull warming. Why? Becuase he has been proven to be the biggest money profiteering hypocrite. when it comes to doing real help for our environment! I personally saw his shake down CO2 credit scheme take money from the projects I know help and work! such as SAVE THE WETLANDS!

  15. Harleyquinn

    Harleyquinn GoComics PRO Member said, 11 months ago

    @Genome Project

    We are not the ones being duped by “Drinking the Kool-Aid”. Au contraire. You guys are the ones buying the energy company funded dis-information hook line and sinker to your own disadvantage…
    Oh please, Here is another fallacy of those who are disciples of Church of global warming. Being effective in how we use energy is good business. But throwing your money away on something that does worse is just plain bad. Caol will give the biggest bang for the buck in some areas for electricity. Wind and solar can not touch it and in most cases are just as bad for the environment, and will not change the earths temp by any means if you use one over another. But Obama is insisting we use the bird killing noise making wind, or the heavy metal solar alternatives.

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