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ARodney said, 11 months ago
Yes, over 30,000 Mexicans have died because of lax gun laws in the U.S. that allow people to profit from buying assault weapons in Arizona and sell them in Mexico. If the GOP actually cared about life, they’d be slightly concerned about that, instead of simply attacking Obama.
elbeck said, 11 months ago
Ramirez is referring to U.S. ICE agent Jaime Zapata, who was killed with a gun purchased in the Dallas/Fort Worth area by a known gun smuggler, Otilio Osorio. The question is, why did the ATF allow Osorio to freely operate?
Jeff Kiser
said, 11 months ago
@ARodney
Why isn’t there that much violence in the US due to our “lax gun laws”? Could there be a different underlying reason? I would also like to point out that Mexico “cherry picks” data to give to the US, in other words they choose to trace “some guns” but refuse to trace weapons that come from the Mexican military and find their way into cartel hands. So the percentage of weapons found in Mexico is most definately skewed by the methodology. Having worked and lived in Mexico, I know how the government will manipulate numbers and information, this was rampant during the Zedillo years.
Heavy B said, 11 months ago
Got news for the right, it IS a witch hunt. Holder turned over thousands of documents. But issa wanted grand jury testimonys that are illegal to release. Holder is being held in contempt because he followed the law.
jack75287 said, 11 months ago
@Heavy B
He turned over thousands of redacted documents and still have hundreds more also that does not explain the false letter that Holder and the White House has with-drawn. Can anyone tell me how to with-draw a letter.
@Arodney
We know that 90 percent of the guns that Mexico asks us to trace came from the U.S. there is the Mexican military and other sources like Syria. That came out in the last election.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth
locoboilerguy said, 11 months ago
They can also buy shipping contains of AK’s from places like China and that weapon is in wide spread with the drug cartels. I would like to know how they document 30,000 killings with US weapons when they cannot even solve a crime south of the border. Its a mess there and its not the fault of fast and furious or weapons smuggled across the border. We stop buying drugs and they are out of business. The problem is deeper though because the question arises “does the US want some of them out of business”.
denis1112 said, 11 months ago
@ARodney
The ATF says 85% of the guns submitted for serial number tracing come from Russia,China,and North Korea.Full auto RPD’s and RPK’s cannot be purchased in the USA.Nor can hand grenades or RPG’s from the former Soviet Union.Then theres the M 16’s that were left with the South Vietnamese Army 35 years ago.Just how did those manage to show up down there?Thruogh Cuba or Venezuela?Been drinking Obama’s and Holders kool-aid?
jack75287 said, 11 months ago
@locoboilerguy
Yes we hold a responsibility in all this but guns from the U.S. is a small part of it, we do want them out of business. No government wants a permanent threat in there back yard. Only now it is coming to a head.
disgustedtaxpayer said, 11 months ago
thanks jack….I exerpted this from your link….
By the Numbers
As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).
According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.
This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.
Read more: Mexico’s Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth …www.stratfor.com
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the report also says Latin America is “awash” with weapons….many not available for sale in USA or Mexico.
South Korea, warmongers over the world…Russia…export weapons
-———sales earn high profits AND PEOPLE DIE.-
but nothing is more evil than the US DOJ/ATF walking guns over the border and not tracing them to PREVENT CRIME and since 2009 HS Napolitino ordering our Border Patrol to be on duty without live ammo to respond to drug cartels and smugglers armed better than some military units!
Wraithkin said, 11 months ago
@Heavy B
The reason they are pushing harder is because the more they uncover, the more questions pop up. Now the question is: Who knew about this operation, and why did they allow it to continue?
Here’s what I have issue with: First, Holder said “no, you can’t have these documents.” But then he changed it to be, “Yeah, you can see it, but only in private and then you have to drop the charges.” If they were so secret, why would he allow anyone to see them? And why would he ask for that protection before the documents were seen? Are they that damning?
Then, here’s the next question: If Holder was fighting and saying no, then he was about to offer them up, why did Obama exercise presidential perrogative/executive priviledge to keep them sealed? What doesn’t he want Congress to see? Is he implicated in something?
It could be completely innocent, and that he is truly acting in the best interests of national security. But his behavior, and the timing of it all, is extremely suspicious and would raise my eyebrows if I was sitting in on that investigation.
jack75287 said, 11 months ago
A clear reason to vote for Obama. Carter hates him.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/26/carter-my-fellow-nobel-peace-prize-winner-is-a-widespread-human-rights-violator-you-know/
dtroutma
said, 11 months ago
I’m sure glad nobody died in the Iraq fiasco.
josefw
said, 11 months ago
@elbeck
OR
U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who was killed in a firefight with a group of armed Mexican bandits, in Arizona.
Eryx
said, 11 months ago
@jack75287
“We know that 90 percent of the guns that Mexico asks us to trace came from the U.S.” So these were attempts to trace them, and…?
Eryx
said, 11 months ago
@jack75287, @disgustedtaxpayer and @ScottPM: Do you guys get ALL your information from unsourced blogs? There is not a single source cited in that article.