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  1. DoctorUmmmNo

    DoctorUmmmNo said, 2 days ago

    Best way to pay for a college education: major in something that will actually help you get a job.

    If you want to major in basket weaving or Women’s Studies, that’s fine. But, unless you’ve got cash up front, plan on paying student loans, till you retire.

  2. ARodney

    ARodney said, 1 day ago

    Best way to pay for a college education — go to college back in the 1980s, when America still believed in funding education for our citizens. Even if you major in medicine or engineering, you won’t be able to pay that debt off for decades, because wages are not going up at the rate of education costs. And what kind of country have we become where people like Doctor No condemn talented musicians and artists and tell them they’re not deserving of an education in the field they excel in? “Sorry, you ought to drive haul trucks, that’s where the money is.”

  3. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 GoComics PRO Member said, 1 day ago

    @ARodney

    You have some points ARod, especially the one about “where the money is” though driving a truck ain’t it.

    Still, why is it the governments responsibility to pay for college? Shouldn’t those that will reap the benefits (big business) foot the bill?

    BUT, if government is involved then they should reap the benefit. How about a 6 year commitment to a government agency in exchange for a 4 year degree?

    Oh…wait……that IS available……(Army, AirForce, Navy, Marines, CoastGuard) just sign on the ine my brother.

    But I think NASA should have the largest budget and they should be training as many young people as possible… just sayin

  4. Finsterlaine

    Finsterlaine said, 1 day ago

    @DoctorUmmmNo

    A Conservative’s view of college – only the rich or permanently indebted can afford to get a Liberal Arts degree. Of course, we all know what they think of “liberal” ANYTHING, don’t we? :)

  5. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, 1 day ago

    @Bruce4671

    “But I think NASA should have the largest budget and they should be training as many young people as possible…”

    Well stated. NASA helped us develop fuel cells, integrated circuits, and other major tech advances which advanced our society in fields more numerous than just space travel. It should never have been defunded.

  6. Water Buffalo

    Water Buffalo said, 1 day ago

    @DoctorUmmmNo

    DoctorUmmmNo said, “Best way to pay for a college education: major in something that will actually help you get a job.”


    Waitaminute; you think the point of getting an education is to get a job?


    You’ve never read a book, have you?

  7. Zuhlamon

    Zuhlamon said, 1 day ago

    @Bruce4671

    Still, why is it the governments responsibility to pay for college?
    .
    The government issues money to private banks who make the loans. The banks accept the profit and none of the risk. Pretty sweet, huh? Well, except for the students, who pay a much, much higher interest rate. Elizabeth Warren is trying to get the interest rates down, or to cut our the middle man. Gee, guess who’s blocking that idea?

  8. Finsterlaine

    Finsterlaine said, 1 day ago

    @Water Buffalo

    That way of thinking, unfortunately, has led to both a massive rise in educational costs and a corresponding rise in the number of business schools on college campuses. This is not making us better people, IMO.

  9. lonecat

    lonecat said, 1 day ago

    There’s something wrong with an economic system that requires a college degree and makes it impossible to get one.

  10. Water Buffalo

    Water Buffalo said, about 14 hours ago

    @Finsterlaine

    Finsterlaine said, “… This is not making us better people…”


    Nope, just makes you cogs in the industrial machinery.

  11. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, about 12 hours ago

    @lonecat

    And there is something wrong with an educations system that is focused on teaching what to learn rather than how to learn. The “what” is highly likely to be outdated rapidly, the “how” never and is also the most effective way to keep up with the “what” .

  12. lonecat

    lonecat said, about 12 hours ago

    @martens misses all her friends

    I agree with you completely — but…
    When I was young (well, college age — that seems pretty young to me now) I was part of an educational experiment which was based on teaching the “how” without much “what”. It didn’t work, at least for me. It was like trying to make fire by rubbing imaginary sticks together. I rebelled, left the program, and went into classics, where we have lots and lots of “what” to learn. By learning that “what”, however, it’s possible to learn “how” the “what” gets to be “what”, and thus “how” a new “what” can be developed. As always, balance is good.

  13. martens misses all her friends

    martens misses all her friends GoComics PRO Member said, about 11 hours ago

    @lonecat

    Yes, of course I agree that one must have “what”. In fact, sufficient “what” is, according to the experts, required to teach critical thinking. I guess what I object to is the idea that you teach a student to use a widget but forget to teach how the widget works or why it works, and then a new widget comes out and the student is lost. A colleague of mine was lecturing in the intro pharmacology course in the med school. He spent a lot of time on how the drugs he was covering really functioned, but the students objected to him spending time on this. They said all they wanted to know was which drug at what dose and not “waste” their time on how the drug worked. What they didn’t realize, of course, was that those drugs would be replaced by newer drugs maybe even before they finished med school.

  14. DoctorUmmmNo

    DoctorUmmmNo said, about 8 hours ago

    Rather than keep responding to individual comments, I’ll leave some general observations.

    I seem to recall that students were supposed to have at least a rough hewn ability to learn & analyze by the 12th grade. Some would go into low skilled jobs, some would go into a program to learn a trade, a few would go into formal, higher education for specialized knowledge. The demand for specialized knowledge is much greater than it was even 30 years ago. The laws of supply & demand made it inevitable that the suppliers of specialized knowledge (aka universities) would be more valuable. Not all degrees hold equal economic value. Disagree all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.

    If you want to major in Victorian Literature, go ahead. But, don’t expect me to subsidize it & don’t expect great job prospects to be accompany that degree.

    If you want to be a knowledgable, well rounded person, college is hardly the only way of getting there. I know plenty of people with college degrees, who stopped learning the minute they threw their caps in the air. I know some High School dropouts who are incredibly well read, articulate, with strong reasoning skills. We’ve long since moved past the era when universities were the only knowledge centers.

    Talented musicians & artists have always struggled to make a living. What’s interesting, is that most of the great artists & musicians, never went to college (or dropped out). Most learned what they needed by finding someone to teach them outside of the formal education system. I might argue that sending all of our musicians & artists to college, is the best way to stifle their creativity by indoctrinating them with what schools think they should learn & how they should do things.

    More people can afford a college education than ever. Those talking about the idea that college shouldn’t just be about going into a lucrative career, have a point. A lot of the practical skills that used to be learned through trade schools & apprenticeships, have been co-opted by the university system. That drives up the price for everyone.

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