Try reading the report in Fortune Magazine today. It turns out that Fast and Furious did not buy or sell any guns over the border. They tracked the straw-buyers who were doing it, turned over the evidence and lists of criminals to prosecutors, and the prosecutors told them that under Arizona law, there was nothing that could be done. In other words, Fast and Furious caused no shootings, no deaths; it’s Arizona gun laws that did it. Tracking a gun does nothing if you can’t arrest criminals.
It’s an interesting article. I found it by googling “Fast and Furious Fortune” and it came right up. Of course it may not be accurate. But it looks well researched and it raises some very important questions. My feeling is that there are aspects of this story which the Congressional Committee has not really considered in their zeal to get Holder and Obama through Holder. I’m quite sure we don’t know the whole story now. I’m reserving judgment until some of the questions are answered.
the buying and transport of guns caused no deaths anything afterward was not f & f problem great logic same as i throw rock nobody hurt that it hit and hurt you is after the fact of throw
Har! MIke has summed up the file footage Fux News uses on EVERY story!
The link to “Fast and Furious”, guns, and cops. 2001-2010: 541 U.S. police officers murdered. 362 with handguns, 99 with rifles, 36 with shotguns, 2 bombs, 2 by knife, and wait for it, 36 MURDERED (not “accidents”) with vehicles! DOJ FBI statistics.
Folks might want to discuss this with Mr. La PIerre with regard to those POLICE killed by guns, as opposed to all the knives out there. Also all those Blunt instrument homicides folks keep brining up? A grand total of 2 police in 10 years killed by blunt instruments.
If this is the record on ARMED POLICE, and we have over 30,000 gun deaths every year, half in criminal activities, does the average, untrained guy on the street stand much of a chance??
While any death of ANY officer IS a tragedy, ONE fatality linked (hyperbole actually) to “fast and furious” doesn’t hold a candle to other “access to guns" homicides around the country, every year!
Thanks to the Civil Service Reform Act of ‘78, a lot of political appointees no longer resigned, but were carried over as newly minted “Civil Service”. That was first used in full force by Reagan, and many Republican culls stayed in their high positions. It’s a problem in many agencies, not just “Justice”. Incidentally, U.S. Solicitors may be the WORST, and Reagan routinely used them to support his “legal” positions, and they were a crock!
To be truthful I couldn’t care less about 1 border guard’s death over a botched operation. Is it sad yes. But does it deserve attention. No. However the proceedings to get simple documents. Why the
Attorney General. President Obama would both put themselves at risk is a mystery. The fact that after day 1 the republicans backed off and went into silence is a mystery.
I’m left leaning and yet this seems to odd for me. Kind of like building a bridge over a pothole.
I just love the fact all our ardent “righties” keep proving they know, NOTHING, about law, Constitution, or how government actually works, Okay, maybe they DO know the hierarchy in their fish tanks, or kennels.
@robert mills: What about all the other thousands of guns no involved in Fast and Furious that were used to kill people because of the loopholes in the gun laws because of the NRA? Try a little perspective.
cripplious almost 12 years ago
Mr. L tell the dead border patrols family that f&f is just fox news tempest in a teapot
Tuner38 almost 12 years ago
Liberal sensitivity. Anything to justify political power.
jamesdavis357 almost 12 years ago
Running guns into another country and over 200 dead Mexicans and a dead US Border Patrol officer is hype?
ARodney almost 12 years ago
Try reading the report in Fortune Magazine today. It turns out that Fast and Furious did not buy or sell any guns over the border. They tracked the straw-buyers who were doing it, turned over the evidence and lists of criminals to prosecutors, and the prosecutors told them that under Arizona law, there was nothing that could be done. In other words, Fast and Furious caused no shootings, no deaths; it’s Arizona gun laws that did it. Tracking a gun does nothing if you can’t arrest criminals.
lonecat almost 12 years ago
It’s an interesting article. I found it by googling “Fast and Furious Fortune” and it came right up. Of course it may not be accurate. But it looks well researched and it raises some very important questions. My feeling is that there are aspects of this story which the Congressional Committee has not really considered in their zeal to get Holder and Obama through Holder. I’m quite sure we don’t know the whole story now. I’m reserving judgment until some of the questions are answered.
oneoldhat almost 12 years ago
the buying and transport of guns caused no deaths anything afterward was not f & f problem great logic same as i throw rock nobody hurt that it hit and hurt you is after the fact of throw
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
Har! MIke has summed up the file footage Fux News uses on EVERY story!
The link to “Fast and Furious”, guns, and cops. 2001-2010: 541 U.S. police officers murdered. 362 with handguns, 99 with rifles, 36 with shotguns, 2 bombs, 2 by knife, and wait for it, 36 MURDERED (not “accidents”) with vehicles! DOJ FBI statistics.
Folks might want to discuss this with Mr. La PIerre with regard to those POLICE killed by guns, as opposed to all the knives out there. Also all those Blunt instrument homicides folks keep brining up? A grand total of 2 police in 10 years killed by blunt instruments.
If this is the record on ARMED POLICE, and we have over 30,000 gun deaths every year, half in criminal activities, does the average, untrained guy on the street stand much of a chance??
While any death of ANY officer IS a tragedy, ONE fatality linked (hyperbole actually) to “fast and furious” doesn’t hold a candle to other “access to guns" homicides around the country, every year!
pirate227 almost 12 years ago
Yes, Fox “News” is a horror.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
255 members have proven the current House is largely deserving of contempt. Playing to Fox is a large part of their M.O., and disgusting.
oneoldhat almost 12 years ago
clinton fired all dep attnies so he could keep job appointment promises is that for cause?
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
Thanks to the Civil Service Reform Act of ‘78, a lot of political appointees no longer resigned, but were carried over as newly minted “Civil Service”. That was first used in full force by Reagan, and many Republican culls stayed in their high positions. It’s a problem in many agencies, not just “Justice”. Incidentally, U.S. Solicitors may be the WORST, and Reagan routinely used them to support his “legal” positions, and they were a crock!
Quipss almost 12 years ago
To be truthful I couldn’t care less about 1 border guard’s death over a botched operation. Is it sad yes. But does it deserve attention. No. However the proceedings to get simple documents. Why the
Attorney General. President Obama would both put themselves at risk is a mystery. The fact that after day 1 the republicans backed off and went into silence is a mystery.
I’m left leaning and yet this seems to odd for me. Kind of like building a bridge over a pothole.
Dtroutma almost 12 years ago
I just love the fact all our ardent “righties” keep proving they know, NOTHING, about law, Constitution, or how government actually works, Okay, maybe they DO know the hierarchy in their fish tanks, or kennels.
pam Miner almost 12 years ago
taking a molehill and making a mountain out of it!
rick_e_bear Premium Member almost 12 years ago
@robert mills: What about all the other thousands of guns no involved in Fast and Furious that were used to kill people because of the loopholes in the gun laws because of the NRA? Try a little perspective.