Oh, bullpucky! If “right to work” meant “right to collective bargaining”- it would conform to the tenets of “democracy”. Boeing IMPORTS MOST of the parts going into the 787 with only final assembly in the U.S. Union busting is responsible for that, as well as the loss of most jobs in the U.S. in the last 25 years with only under 8% of workers still in unions. Comparing the abuses of unions since 1900 to the corporate abuse of labor just since 1980, and the overwhelming picture of true “abuse” is clear and overwhelming that CEOs have crushed far more jobs than stewards. (Ford first wanted to guarantee a wage that let his employees buy their product, then called in the army later. Toyota is non-union in the U.S. because they provide good salaries based on local economies, which is why they located in low income areas, just like Boeing.)
We have had a Corporate & Union power struggle for over 100 years in addition to Companies fighting/competing with other Companies. Sometimes, the fighting is unfair. The pendulum swings from side to side. Presently, Corporations are outsourcing or moving operations. CEOs hope it will be better for the people who have invested money (stock) in the company. It is NOT convenient to move or outsource. But, the status quo of Markets, Competition and Labor Relations seem to threaten the Company’s stock holders.
Henry Ford paid $5 a day- exactly what Boeing and others want to pay overseas to replace American jobs—okay, some only want to pay $2 a day. However, the wholesale and retail prices of what we buy do NOT go down significantly over what’s made in the USA, it’s called “corporate profit”- not cost or job savings.
jack just wants to go back to the 80 hour work week and child labor, no retirement, no clean working conditions, no health care, and wages that won’t pay for a private health care policy, and bigger yachts for “industrialists” who’ve never actually built a company, except on paper from an office on Wall Street.
Even Carnegie and Ford, and even “elder” Rockefeller at one time actually got their hands dirty and built real businesses, even if they were to a degree, crooks in the end.
Nikki Haley’s first appointment was Catherine Templeman as head of the Dept of Labor in SC to keep the state union free. She explicitly said that it was for the Boeing plant in Charleston.
Right to work means right to low wage. The Regressives want to turn the clock back to the industrial revolution. Next thing they’ll advocate for is hiring thugs to beat up their workers.
Simple fact that most people ignore when unions are thrown into the conversation: Businesses operate to earn a profit. Period. When the cost of labor impinges that ability to earn a profit (for either the owners or stockholders), the management looks for a way to find ways to shrink that cost. That’s why the outsource to other countries or move to states where labor is more reasonably priced.
Now, that being said… the Boeing plant in WA is not being closed/closing, diminished, or furloughed. The plant they want to open in a non-union state is an additional plant to fill orders that are demanded. Boeing is creating jobs. The union (and by proxy, the NLRB) is afraid that with Boeing opening a plant in a non-union state, their influence over Boeing is diminished.
There is a reason, folks, why the private sector only has a 7% unionization rate: Because Unions do not enhance the workplace any more. They detract from it. And those who believe Unions must exist to protect workers do not understand how to utilize the governmental agencies already in place to do such a task.
In order not to loose more of our industrial companies, NLRB shall be terminated; Unions shall be made subject to antitrust and RICO laws; right to work laws shall be passed in all states . . . that want to expand job-base.
Boing went to a right to work state, to hobble the Unions. I guess we should be happy the work stayed stateside. I think they chose SC, always a leader in labor bondage.
Now having said that, people… don’t go overboard with the Union bashing. Private sector operations need them. I’ve held both engineering and floor supervisor positions in strong union, weak union, and non-union shops. I’m currently in automotive production, and glad to be back with the UAW. As long as the old-school politics stay off the table, a ton of outstanding work gets done and everyone gets to live better. Private sector unions are not tax dollar laundering scams like the public sector unions are. Amazing that even FDR could see that corruption. As for Boeing? I say let the new plant compete with the rest of the plants. It’s a pretty good case study, and I’m interested to see when the non-union operation hits the necessary production and quality numbers demanded by the Aviation customer. We’ll see.
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
Oh, bullpucky! If “right to work” meant “right to collective bargaining”- it would conform to the tenets of “democracy”. Boeing IMPORTS MOST of the parts going into the 787 with only final assembly in the U.S. Union busting is responsible for that, as well as the loss of most jobs in the U.S. in the last 25 years with only under 8% of workers still in unions. Comparing the abuses of unions since 1900 to the corporate abuse of labor just since 1980, and the overwhelming picture of true “abuse” is clear and overwhelming that CEOs have crushed far more jobs than stewards. (Ford first wanted to guarantee a wage that let his employees buy their product, then called in the army later. Toyota is non-union in the U.S. because they provide good salaries based on local economies, which is why they located in low income areas, just like Boeing.)
Fuzzy Thinker Premium Member almost 13 years ago
We have had a Corporate & Union power struggle for over 100 years in addition to Companies fighting/competing with other Companies. Sometimes, the fighting is unfair. The pendulum swings from side to side. Presently, Corporations are outsourcing or moving operations. CEOs hope it will be better for the people who have invested money (stock) in the company. It is NOT convenient to move or outsource. But, the status quo of Markets, Competition and Labor Relations seem to threaten the Company’s stock holders.
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
Henry Ford paid $5 a day- exactly what Boeing and others want to pay overseas to replace American jobs—okay, some only want to pay $2 a day. However, the wholesale and retail prices of what we buy do NOT go down significantly over what’s made in the USA, it’s called “corporate profit”- not cost or job savings.
jack just wants to go back to the 80 hour work week and child labor, no retirement, no clean working conditions, no health care, and wages that won’t pay for a private health care policy, and bigger yachts for “industrialists” who’ve never actually built a company, except on paper from an office on Wall Street.
Even Carnegie and Ford, and even “elder” Rockefeller at one time actually got their hands dirty and built real businesses, even if they were to a degree, crooks in the end.
feverjr Premium Member almost 13 years ago
Nikki Haley’s first appointment was Catherine Templeman as head of the Dept of Labor in SC to keep the state union free. She explicitly said that it was for the Boeing plant in Charleston.
d_legendary1 almost 13 years ago
Right to work means right to low wage. The Regressives want to turn the clock back to the industrial revolution. Next thing they’ll advocate for is hiring thugs to beat up their workers.
Wraithkin almost 13 years ago
Simple fact that most people ignore when unions are thrown into the conversation: Businesses operate to earn a profit. Period. When the cost of labor impinges that ability to earn a profit (for either the owners or stockholders), the management looks for a way to find ways to shrink that cost. That’s why the outsource to other countries or move to states where labor is more reasonably priced.
Now, that being said… the Boeing plant in WA is not being closed/closing, diminished, or furloughed. The plant they want to open in a non-union state is an additional plant to fill orders that are demanded. Boeing is creating jobs. The union (and by proxy, the NLRB) is afraid that with Boeing opening a plant in a non-union state, their influence over Boeing is diminished.
There is a reason, folks, why the private sector only has a 7% unionization rate: Because Unions do not enhance the workplace any more. They detract from it. And those who believe Unions must exist to protect workers do not understand how to utilize the governmental agencies already in place to do such a task.
petergrt almost 13 years ago
In order not to loose more of our industrial companies, NLRB shall be terminated; Unions shall be made subject to antitrust and RICO laws; right to work laws shall be passed in all states . . . that want to expand job-base.
DavidGBA almost 13 years ago
Boing went to a right to work state, to hobble the Unions. I guess we should be happy the work stayed stateside. I think they chose SC, always a leader in labor bondage.
svenskabru2u almost 13 years ago
Now having said that, people… don’t go overboard with the Union bashing. Private sector operations need them. I’ve held both engineering and floor supervisor positions in strong union, weak union, and non-union shops. I’m currently in automotive production, and glad to be back with the UAW. As long as the old-school politics stay off the table, a ton of outstanding work gets done and everyone gets to live better. Private sector unions are not tax dollar laundering scams like the public sector unions are. Amazing that even FDR could see that corruption. As for Boeing? I say let the new plant compete with the rest of the plants. It’s a pretty good case study, and I’m interested to see when the non-union operation hits the necessary production and quality numbers demanded by the Aviation customer. We’ll see.