I don’t like abortion. I don’t think many people do. But I don’t think it’s going to go away anytime soon. Read about infanticide throughout history and tell me I’m wrong.
And again: Adoption is an important option that doesn’t get nearly enough coverage in the debate.
Abortion is not murder, if you believe it is and try to use the law to prevent someone from having an abortion then you are using to law to impose your beliefs on them.
If a man is drafted but says he wont go because he believes the Bible says we should not kill, he taking a religious position that applies only to him and his beliefs. But if he wants a law that no one can be drafted then he is using the power of the Goverment to impose his beliefs on others.
Let me put this simply. If you dont agree with abortion DONT GET ONE. Simple as that, but that DOESNT mean someone should be denied it since it is a personal decision. I dont beleive in God, but let me pose this in a theological way. God gave people free will, and with that free will people are able to choose what they do, and then they will be judged on thier choices. Now, since abortion is a totally personal decision that is done in the privacy of a doctors office it will have NO effect on your life. Your soul and life are intact and there is no problem with your ability to get into heaven as a result of it. The only issue would be the salvation of those who get the abortion and those that perform it, but thanks to that little thing called free will, they are FREE to choose that path.
^Scott, you are so wrong it is insulting. Stalin didnt dissolve the nuclear family. The nuclear family was the CENTER of the soviet constitution and is now STILL the center of the constitution of the Russian federation.
Secondly, marriage is a contract upheld by the state and can also be recognized by the church if people so wish to do so. The fact that people are getting married at a later age is the consequence of being better educated. People want to be able to marry, but also have more, such as a career or an education (generally both).
Thirdly, orphans are taken in by the state because the social implications of allowing children to be carted around resulted in massive abuse of children in the use of labor and sexual exploitation, which is also why there are such strict rules in adoption.
Fourthly, adoption law doesnt include marriage as a factor because although I agree that a two person household is going to offer greater support and structure than a single parent household, it does not mean that a single parent is unable to properly raise a child.
Fifthly, the passing of Hate Crime legislation is meant to highlight the repugnant emotion that the people feel for those that inflict harm on others for the mere fact of being different from themselves. And your thoughcrime aspect here has NO legal merit. People are ALREADY punished for thought. That is the ENTIRE difference between premeditated murder, manslaughter and crimes of passion. The state already makes the distinction between those that THOUGHT about killing someone before they do, and those that don’t, so Scott, I hate to be the barer of bad news, but thought crime has been on the books since they were written.
And finally, Christianity it doing just fine in the US. You may believe that you are being attacked but that is BS. You are free to beleive whatever you like, pray however you like and even say whatever you like. The only thing that annoys you is the fact that people have different beliefs than you, which calls into question your own, and since you lack the self esteem or back bone to be accepting of difference you attack all those that dont believe like you.
So after vilifying his fictional “Demoncrats” in part for starting the American Civil War, scottfreitas is now hoping for a new civil war between Americans who hold different opinions about politics! Unbelievable.
Meanwhile, some of us are trying to engage with those who disagree with us and seek ways to get along.
So who in this picture seems to be following the Prince of Peace?
Scott,
Before you continue misquoting Jesus, it would be a good idea to crack an English book. Your sentence construction is as insulting as your name-calling. The point that many of us are making [and the point of this toon] is that you have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do to her own body. Your hypocrisy is most telling when you assume that we who are pro-choice are automatically pro-abortion. As a minister-educator counseling women before and after Roe V. Wade, I can assure you that it is much better to have abortion safe and legal. Since you obviously never had to deal with women so desperate to risk their lives to obtain an illegal abortion, you should consider showing a “Love Thy Neighbor” attitude toward all whom you are disparaging.
Is your faith real, or is it as phony as the flag on your lapel?
In cases of major health problems (ie, tubal pregnancy), abortion IS healthcare. The practise iotself is not to blame, it’s the way it’s used.
All unwanted pregnancies aren’t systematically aborted. If it was so, I wouldn’t be here and most of my extended family wouldn’t be here either.
I’ve been living common law with my boyfriend for three years. My parents have been together for 21 years and counting. they were both married before to other people and just don’t want to go through all that again.
The BF and I could get married, but I just don’t want to spend 10 000 dollars on a phoney, tacky party that won’t change much. these bucks can be better spent elsewhere.
While the debate over abortion will go on, one fact remains. Republican Party leadership not only supports, but encourages their employees access to elective abortions.
Last week it was revealed that the RNC’s health insurance coverage with Cigna includes coverage of elective abortion. Michael Steele, director of the RNC pledged publicly that this would be changed. Or did he? It seems that at some undetermined time this ‘will be reviewed’.
I can’t imagine anyone would be an advocate for a Civil War in our great Nation …or even wishing for such an occurrence. We would be no better than the rogue nations we oppose .
“I read a modern english version but think that organized religion just confuses the issues. Each of us is responsible for our own decisions and actions………I’m just saying”
The joke about organized religion is that nobody has ever experienced it. One of the primary functions of people getting together in faith, however, is to sit in that confusion together. To be a community. Unfortunately, that always involves people, and when you do that, it gets all screwed up. But I’d rather sit in my confusion muddling it over with others who are looking than to sit alone in my own little hole. Just saying.
When Scott Peterson kills Laci (wife) and Conner (unborn child), he is convicted of double murder. Shouldn’t that make abortion murder in the eyes of the law?
Illegal abortions would cut down on the number of unborn deaths.
Other options should be considered for unwanted child births.
Humans are not wild animals and they can stop the cause of unintended pregnancies if they wanted/tried.
I have ready your posts that you have posted on various threads. As expected it is no more than lies. The article you posted stated the following:
The RNC’s current leadership says that it was not previously aware of the abortion coverage under its Cigna plan until a Politico reporter contacted the press office on Wednesday.
The Republican Party’s official position calls for a constitutional ban on abortion, and many of its members are heavily engaged in a fight to ban individuals who get federal subsidies for insurance from using that money to buy policies that cover abortion through the health insurance exchanges proposed in a health care measure moving through Congress.
McKay writes that Chairman Michael Steele ordered a review of RNC operations, including the health care policy, earlier this year.
“The review of our health insurance policy has been underway for some time and that review continues,” Mckay wrote.
Republican National Committeeman James Bopp Jr. of Indiana told POLITICO he believes the policy will be changed, as did Rep. Jack Kingston.
Warrior, you need to understand the difference between “lie” and “sarcasm”. I wasn’t really shocked to find out that the Republicans have been providing abortion coverage, although I was a bit surprised. (Probably everyone but you picked up on that.)
Nevertheless, where are the “lies”? If you’re going to accuse me of lying, at least have the courtesy to point out what you’re referring to.
Has the RNC provided abortion coverage? Yes.
Are they against that coverage for the nation? Yes.
Are they only now “reviewing” the situation, since Politico called them on it (per your link)? Yes.
And you say they ordered a review “earlier this year”, and that the review “continues”? How long does it take??? You call the insurance company, give them your group policy number, and say, “Are we covered for abortions?” The agent checks, and confirms that you are. Takes a few minutes, yet you seem comfortable that it’s taken them months, and they still aren’t done.
Lets rephrase this, does your insurance company provide abortion coverage?
I could not tell you if mine does or not? It is something that I am not planning on ever using.
It is through my employer. If you are employed you should know the drill. At the end of every year the yahoo’s from the insurance company comes out and gives you a brief review of any changes and prices.
Let me think, I have been full time employed since I was 15. I have working full time for 20 years and I have yet to hear from the insurance industry if abortion was covered or not. I do not think it was ever brought up.
Back to the article it stated they did not even know it was covered.
They also had statements from two people stating it was going to be removed.
Since you are making a big deal about it, lets talk about your policy. Does it cover abortions? How many children do you have from different strange women? How many women aborted your babies? Does the DNC insurance cover abortions? Do you work at an abortion clinic?
Like you I haven’t checked because I have no use for it. But if I was working to remove abortion coverage for everyone else, you can bet I’d check my own policy first, because I certainly wouldn’t want to appear as hypocritical as the Republicans.
I know they’re going to have it removed after-the-fact, since Politico caught it. That doesn’t impress me at all.
And now for your pointless questions:
I don’t know. It’s Kaiser Permanente, so if you’re really that interested, you can call them.
I have three children with my wife of 26 years. Haven’t impregnated any “strange” women.
Zero.
No idea, but for the most part they’re not the ones trying to dictate the coverage for everyone else. Perhaps some of those Blue Dogs should look into it.
I’ll insert my opinion here. From media accounts, and Steele’s own acknowledgment, the Republican National Committee negotiated and chose a healthcare plan for its employees that includes reproductive health options, including abortions. According to Steele and RNC officials, the abortion option has been in place for RNC employees for 19 years.
When an enterprising journalist looked into the RNC plan and discovered it included abortions, then and only then did the Chairman of RNC say the policy will be reviewed. Kudos to the Politico journalist for doing his/her job.
Has the RNC actually changed the policy yet or are they still “reviewing” it?
Perhaps transplanting foetuses into the bodies of abortion opponents like «scott freitas», who seem to feel a need to control the bodies of others could serve as an alternative to the abortions they so decry ? Although I’m not certain it could be considered a «compassionate» alternative….
Henri
PS : Note that these same persons often accuse single mothers of being «welfare queens», so these women seemed to be damned if they do and damned if they don’t. But then «scottfreitas» would probably suggest total sexual abstinence - a proven method ! - as a way out of the dilemma….
toasteroven over 14 years ago
STILL MORE ABORTION COMIX.
I don’t like abortion. I don’t think many people do. But I don’t think it’s going to go away anytime soon. Read about infanticide throughout history and tell me I’m wrong.
And again: Adoption is an important option that doesn’t get nearly enough coverage in the debate.
kennethcwarren64 over 14 years ago
Abortion is not murder, if you believe it is and try to use the law to prevent someone from having an abortion then you are using to law to impose your beliefs on them.
If a man is drafted but says he wont go because he believes the Bible says we should not kill, he taking a religious position that applies only to him and his beliefs. But if he wants a law that no one can be drafted then he is using the power of the Goverment to impose his beliefs on others.
toasteroven over 14 years ago
Fairportfan: Yes, there are those who are opposed to abortion. How does this make adoption an nonviable option? I do not understand your argument.
a.c.d over 14 years ago
Let me put this simply. If you dont agree with abortion DONT GET ONE. Simple as that, but that DOESNT mean someone should be denied it since it is a personal decision. I dont beleive in God, but let me pose this in a theological way. God gave people free will, and with that free will people are able to choose what they do, and then they will be judged on thier choices. Now, since abortion is a totally personal decision that is done in the privacy of a doctors office it will have NO effect on your life. Your soul and life are intact and there is no problem with your ability to get into heaven as a result of it. The only issue would be the salvation of those who get the abortion and those that perform it, but thanks to that little thing called free will, they are FREE to choose that path.
Kylop over 14 years ago
Mr. Pett, well done.
JerryGorton over 14 years ago
kylop, I agree. Mr. pett has identified the problem.
a.c.d over 14 years ago
^Scott, you are so wrong it is insulting. Stalin didnt dissolve the nuclear family. The nuclear family was the CENTER of the soviet constitution and is now STILL the center of the constitution of the Russian federation. Secondly, marriage is a contract upheld by the state and can also be recognized by the church if people so wish to do so. The fact that people are getting married at a later age is the consequence of being better educated. People want to be able to marry, but also have more, such as a career or an education (generally both). Thirdly, orphans are taken in by the state because the social implications of allowing children to be carted around resulted in massive abuse of children in the use of labor and sexual exploitation, which is also why there are such strict rules in adoption. Fourthly, adoption law doesnt include marriage as a factor because although I agree that a two person household is going to offer greater support and structure than a single parent household, it does not mean that a single parent is unable to properly raise a child. Fifthly, the passing of Hate Crime legislation is meant to highlight the repugnant emotion that the people feel for those that inflict harm on others for the mere fact of being different from themselves. And your thoughcrime aspect here has NO legal merit. People are ALREADY punished for thought. That is the ENTIRE difference between premeditated murder, manslaughter and crimes of passion. The state already makes the distinction between those that THOUGHT about killing someone before they do, and those that don’t, so Scott, I hate to be the barer of bad news, but thought crime has been on the books since they were written. And finally, Christianity it doing just fine in the US. You may believe that you are being attacked but that is BS. You are free to beleive whatever you like, pray however you like and even say whatever you like. The only thing that annoys you is the fact that people have different beliefs than you, which calls into question your own, and since you lack the self esteem or back bone to be accepting of difference you attack all those that dont believe like you.
tpenna over 14 years ago
So after vilifying his fictional “Demoncrats” in part for starting the American Civil War, scottfreitas is now hoping for a new civil war between Americans who hold different opinions about politics! Unbelievable.
Meanwhile, some of us are trying to engage with those who disagree with us and seek ways to get along.
So who in this picture seems to be following the Prince of Peace?
tpenna over 14 years ago
^^ Wow! Rock on, a.c.d.!
hastynote Premium Member over 14 years ago
Scott, Before you continue misquoting Jesus, it would be a good idea to crack an English book. Your sentence construction is as insulting as your name-calling. The point that many of us are making [and the point of this toon] is that you have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do to her own body. Your hypocrisy is most telling when you assume that we who are pro-choice are automatically pro-abortion. As a minister-educator counseling women before and after Roe V. Wade, I can assure you that it is much better to have abortion safe and legal. Since you obviously never had to deal with women so desperate to risk their lives to obtain an illegal abortion, you should consider showing a “Love Thy Neighbor” attitude toward all whom you are disparaging. Is your faith real, or is it as phony as the flag on your lapel?
CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 14 years ago
In cases of major health problems (ie, tubal pregnancy), abortion IS healthcare. The practise iotself is not to blame, it’s the way it’s used.
All unwanted pregnancies aren’t systematically aborted. If it was so, I wouldn’t be here and most of my extended family wouldn’t be here either.
I’ve been living common law with my boyfriend for three years. My parents have been together for 21 years and counting. they were both married before to other people and just don’t want to go through all that again.
The BF and I could get married, but I just don’t want to spend 10 000 dollars on a phoney, tacky party that won’t change much. these bucks can be better spent elsewhere.
PlainBill over 14 years ago
While the debate over abortion will go on, one fact remains. Republican Party leadership not only supports, but encourages their employees access to elective abortions.
Last week it was revealed that the RNC’s health insurance coverage with Cigna includes coverage of elective abortion. Michael Steele, director of the RNC pledged publicly that this would be changed. Or did he? It seems that at some undetermined time this ‘will be reviewed’.
http://tinyurl.com/yhvuwar
serajame over 14 years ago
I can’t imagine anyone would be an advocate for a Civil War in our great Nation …or even wishing for such an occurrence. We would be no better than the rogue nations we oppose .
Motivemagus over 14 years ago
Funny, scott. How about Ben “Hellfire Club” Franklin, eh?
bradwilliams over 14 years ago
Scott, as someone who has adopted through the foster system, I can tell you for a FACT there is a shortage of couples willing to take these children.
cdward over 14 years ago
“I read a modern english version but think that organized religion just confuses the issues. Each of us is responsible for our own decisions and actions………I’m just saying”
The joke about organized religion is that nobody has ever experienced it. One of the primary functions of people getting together in faith, however, is to sit in that confusion together. To be a community. Unfortunately, that always involves people, and when you do that, it gets all screwed up. But I’d rather sit in my confusion muddling it over with others who are looking than to sit alone in my own little hole. Just saying.
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
Lalas
Why were you using profanity? Was a Twinkie stuck in your rear end?
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
Bruce,
If you are trying to set an example using your bible verses over another with profanity it is not working.
I guess you fit the general moderate person in society, not hot or cold but lukewarm.
wminfield over 14 years ago
When Scott Peterson kills Laci (wife) and Conner (unborn child), he is convicted of double murder. Shouldn’t that make abortion murder in the eyes of the law?
http://www.lifenews.com/state4210.html
annamargaret1866 over 14 years ago
The debate of legal abortion ignores that fact that women won’t stop having abortions just because it once again becomes illegal.
wminfield over 14 years ago
^That is true, but:
Illegal abortions would cut down on the number of unborn deaths. Other options should be considered for unwanted child births. Humans are not wild animals and they can stop the cause of unintended pregnancies if they wanted/tried.riley05 over 14 years ago
The Republican National Committee wants to deny abortion coverage to the rest of America, but provides it for their own members.
I’m shocked, truly.
http://tinyurl.com/yhvuwar
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
Anthony,
I have ready your posts that you have posted on various threads. As expected it is no more than lies. The article you posted stated the following:
The RNC’s current leadership says that it was not previously aware of the abortion coverage under its Cigna plan until a Politico reporter contacted the press office on Wednesday.
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
You are just trying to stir up some bleeep and as far as being shocked that is nothing more than another lie.
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
Anthony
Go to this site and you can read what you already know:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29470.html
The Republican Party’s official position calls for a constitutional ban on abortion, and many of its members are heavily engaged in a fight to ban individuals who get federal subsidies for insurance from using that money to buy policies that cover abortion through the health insurance exchanges proposed in a health care measure moving through Congress. McKay writes that Chairman Michael Steele ordered a review of RNC operations, including the health care policy, earlier this year. “The review of our health insurance policy has been underway for some time and that review continues,” Mckay wrote. Republican National Committeeman James Bopp Jr. of Indiana told POLITICO he believes the policy will be changed, as did Rep. Jack Kingston.
riley05 over 14 years ago
Warrior, you need to understand the difference between “lie” and “sarcasm”. I wasn’t really shocked to find out that the Republicans have been providing abortion coverage, although I was a bit surprised. (Probably everyone but you picked up on that.)
Nevertheless, where are the “lies”? If you’re going to accuse me of lying, at least have the courtesy to point out what you’re referring to.
Has the RNC provided abortion coverage? Yes. Are they against that coverage for the nation? Yes. Are they only now “reviewing” the situation, since Politico called them on it (per your link)? Yes.
And you say they ordered a review “earlier this year”, and that the review “continues”? How long does it take??? You call the insurance company, give them your group policy number, and say, “Are we covered for abortions?” The agent checks, and confirms that you are. Takes a few minutes, yet you seem comfortable that it’s taken them months, and they still aren’t done.
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
Lets rephrase this, does your insurance company provide abortion coverage?
I could not tell you if mine does or not? It is something that I am not planning on ever using. It is through my employer. If you are employed you should know the drill. At the end of every year the yahoo’s from the insurance company comes out and gives you a brief review of any changes and prices. Let me think, I have been full time employed since I was 15. I have working full time for 20 years and I have yet to hear from the insurance industry if abortion was covered or not. I do not think it was ever brought up.
Back to the article it stated they did not even know it was covered.
They also had statements from two people stating it was going to be removed.
Since you are making a big deal about it, lets talk about your policy. Does it cover abortions? How many children do you have from different strange women? How many women aborted your babies? Does the DNC insurance cover abortions? Do you work at an abortion clinic?
riley05 over 14 years ago
Like you I haven’t checked because I have no use for it. But if I was working to remove abortion coverage for everyone else, you can bet I’d check my own policy first, because I certainly wouldn’t want to appear as hypocritical as the Republicans.
I know they’re going to have it removed after-the-fact, since Politico caught it. That doesn’t impress me at all.
And now for your pointless questions:
I don’t know. It’s Kaiser Permanente, so if you’re really that interested, you can call them.
I have three children with my wife of 26 years. Haven’t impregnated any “strange” women.
Zero.
No idea, but for the most part they’re not the ones trying to dictate the coverage for everyone else. Perhaps some of those Blue Dogs should look into it.
No.
How about you?
Warrior77 over 14 years ago
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
I’ll insert my opinion here. From media accounts, and Steele’s own acknowledgment, the Republican National Committee negotiated and chose a healthcare plan for its employees that includes reproductive health options, including abortions. According to Steele and RNC officials, the abortion option has been in place for RNC employees for 19 years.
When an enterprising journalist looked into the RNC plan and discovered it included abortions, then and only then did the Chairman of RNC say the policy will be reviewed. Kudos to the Politico journalist for doing his/her job.
Has the RNC actually changed the policy yet or are they still “reviewing” it?
riley05 over 14 years ago
Clarence Thomas?
d_legendary1 over 14 years ago
Lynn Swann?
mhenriday over 14 years ago
Perhaps transplanting foetuses into the bodies of abortion opponents like «scott freitas», who seem to feel a need to control the bodies of others could serve as an alternative to the abortions they so decry ? Although I’m not certain it could be considered a «compassionate» alternative….
Henri
PS : Note that these same persons often accuse single mothers of being «welfare queens», so these women seemed to be damned if they do and damned if they don’t. But then «scottfreitas» would probably suggest total sexual abstinence - a proven method ! - as a way out of the dilemma….