Hmmm, I’d say he’s got it right. Iran, North Korea, China are all expanding their missile technologies and it’s only a matter of time before the first two have nukes to put on them. Obama thinks diplomacy is defense enough, but when dealing with the nut cases in places like North Korea and Iran, I’d much rather have something more concrete to help defend us.
Which is funny when you consider that Obama is having our navy move into positions to use what anti-missile capability we have now in case the North Korean missile heads for Hawaii or Alaska. Now he seems to think it’s useful in this case, but not to develop it so it’s more reliable and more likely to work when we are in great need?
No, it’s more like Ramirez cuts right through the usual crap. I like the comment at the bottom. The community organizer is lost without the teleprompter.
I agree with pirate, nukes exist, but there’s a reason why they’ve never been used since 1945.
Other nation have nukes, but just to impress. They know using it means apocalypse.
Other nations combined probably don’t have half the nukes the US has. Even with five of them dismantled, you’d have more than you need to stay safe.
Come on, people! I stooped believing in the Bonhomme-Sept- Heures when I was six.(in english, you have the Boogieman, in French, we have the Bonhomme-Sept-Heures!)
Yep, let’s go back to McCarthy, the “cold war”, MAD, and all our eggs in a basket of rotten eggs. When a Ryder truck and box cutters can be effective, exactly who needs nukes? Ramirez us the one who hasn’t noticed the real world.
If missile defense is so useless or stupid, why are the Russians so vehemently against it? So much so that they are threatening serious retributions. Indeed, this winter they flexed their muscles by shutting down the gas supply to the former Eastern Europe - where parts of the missile defense system is slated to be installed. Ramirez is, as always right on!!!
Howgozit, why do I think Ramirez toons are craap? Because good toons have an element of truth in them that make their commentary humorous, or biting, or meaningful in some way. I find Ramirez work without meaning most times. In this instance, he’s picking up the rightwing mantra that obama is so stupid he can’t think without a teleprompter. That’s dumb IMHO. It’s part of the GOP standard playbook to tear down their opponent’s strength and try to turn it into a weakness by repeating it ad nauseam with no basis in fact.
And I’ve never looked at the left/right categories provided by the site. Prefer to make my own judgments based on the validity of the point made, even those I don’t personally agree with.
Also, they are afraid of being nuked by you guys if you know they can’t nuke you back. After all, you were the only ones who ever used it. The nuke boogieman is in Russia, too.
Great TOON Ramirez !!
This one I’ll place in my BEST OF THE BEST folder…
And Ramirez, keep up the good work and don’t BELIEVE the COMMON-NONSENSE expressed here by the critics wannabees…, just rub your two Pulitzer price trophies right up their faces!!!
CF, with all due respect, my criterion for good editorial toons (as opposed to the pure art of it) is some relationship to truth, no matter the political perspective or angle. Ramirez doesn’t have it most the time. For example, I can appreciate toons about the tax travails of some of Obama’s nominees because there was truth in them, even though I believe the GOP is no better. I can appreciate toons about escalating budget deficits, though I may point out the mess Obama was greeted with on day one. But this teleprompter stuff is a fictitious straw man, in my opinion, thus no element of truth. Others who believe it may find this humorous. I don’t, I find it lacking the necessary element of truth to be an effective editorial cartoon. To me, it’s lame.
North Korea is not a rational entity - it is a Dictatorship of an insane man backed by a million-plus military that would rather see their own people starve to death than back down from their swagger. Folks, face it, Iran, and North Korea are loose canons while China and Russia are focused on regaining the world power of the former U.S.S.R., except they are now cooperating and The Great Impostor doesn’t have a clue!
senor- you are right on when saying the rest of the world feared us when Bush was in power because he was a loose cannon and loose cannons do crazy things, like start unnecessary wars. Why yes, yes he did. He did start an unnecessary war which resulted in so much death and loss of treasure that we will be clawing ourselves out from under for years to come.
A very good artist, but completely partial to GOP rhetoric (GOP one-liners). A good editorial political cartoonist should stimulate debate, not advocate (or espouse) total nonsense (like a few of these posts)–my thoughts
Dredpirate, very good post. Military Intelligence has been called an oxymoron- by people in Military Intelligence. My daughter’s first tour in Iraq was to find Lt. Speicher, whether he was alive or not. The Iraqi who fed us the information that he was alive, was lying. There was absolutely no proof that he had survived the plane crash. The most likely scenario is that he died in the crash and was buried by the Bedouins as that is their custom. My daughter and her team went over thousands of pieces of information and the conclusion was the source had lied about Speicher and we never would have known it if we had not invaded and investigated.
believecommonsense about 15 years ago
the usual Ramirez craap
RogOregon about 15 years ago
Hmmm, I’d say he’s got it right. Iran, North Korea, China are all expanding their missile technologies and it’s only a matter of time before the first two have nukes to put on them. Obama thinks diplomacy is defense enough, but when dealing with the nut cases in places like North Korea and Iran, I’d much rather have something more concrete to help defend us.
Which is funny when you consider that Obama is having our navy move into positions to use what anti-missile capability we have now in case the North Korean missile heads for Hawaii or Alaska. Now he seems to think it’s useful in this case, but not to develop it so it’s more reliable and more likely to work when we are in great need?
blackash2004-tree Premium Member about 15 years ago
No, it’s more like Ramirez cuts right through the usual crap. I like the comment at the bottom. The community organizer is lost without the teleprompter.
raycity about 15 years ago
LL you are right Obama is a skilled Tool
teaguemj about 15 years ago
the usual “Believecommonsense” CRAP.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 15 years ago
I agree with pirate, nukes exist, but there’s a reason why they’ve never been used since 1945.
Other nation have nukes, but just to impress. They know using it means apocalypse.
Other nations combined probably don’t have half the nukes the US has. Even with five of them dismantled, you’d have more than you need to stay safe.
Come on, people! I stooped believing in the Bonhomme-Sept- Heures when I was six.(in english, you have the Boogieman, in French, we have the Bonhomme-Sept-Heures!)
Dtroutma about 15 years ago
Yep, let’s go back to McCarthy, the “cold war”, MAD, and all our eggs in a basket of rotten eggs. When a Ryder truck and box cutters can be effective, exactly who needs nukes? Ramirez us the one who hasn’t noticed the real world.
petergrt about 15 years ago
If missile defense is so useless or stupid, why are the Russians so vehemently against it? So much so that they are threatening serious retributions. Indeed, this winter they flexed their muscles by shutting down the gas supply to the former Eastern Europe - where parts of the missile defense system is slated to be installed. Ramirez is, as always right on!!!
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 15 years ago
^Historical reasons, national pride, show-off-ness. They can’t afford the go on another “my guns are bigger then yours” game.
believecommonsense about 15 years ago
Howgozit, why do I think Ramirez toons are craap? Because good toons have an element of truth in them that make their commentary humorous, or biting, or meaningful in some way. I find Ramirez work without meaning most times. In this instance, he’s picking up the rightwing mantra that obama is so stupid he can’t think without a teleprompter. That’s dumb IMHO. It’s part of the GOP standard playbook to tear down their opponent’s strength and try to turn it into a weakness by repeating it ad nauseam with no basis in fact. And I’ve never looked at the left/right categories provided by the site. Prefer to make my own judgments based on the validity of the point made, even those I don’t personally agree with.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 15 years ago
Also, they are afraid of being nuked by you guys if you know they can’t nuke you back. After all, you were the only ones who ever used it. The nuke boogieman is in Russia, too.
deadheadzan about 15 years ago
The Chinese aren’t going to nuke us! We owe them too much money! Really, a dirty bomb is much more to be feared at this time in history.
oneoldhat about 15 years ago
believecommonsense says: why do I think Ramirez toons are craap? Because good toons have an element of truth in them
SO YOU SHOULD LIKE THIS ONE
believecommonsense about 15 years ago
wbr says: “SO YOU SHOULD LIKE THIS ONE”
bzzzzt. wrong answer. already explained it too.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 15 years ago
Objectivity, people!
Someone should be able to appreciate good art even though he’s not on the same side of the political spectrum.
mackado about 15 years ago
Great TOON Ramirez !! This one I’ll place in my BEST OF THE BEST folder…
And Ramirez, keep up the good work and don’t BELIEVE the COMMON-NONSENSE expressed here by the critics wannabees…, just rub your two Pulitzer price trophies right up their faces!!!
believecommonsense about 15 years ago
CF, with all due respect, my criterion for good editorial toons (as opposed to the pure art of it) is some relationship to truth, no matter the political perspective or angle. Ramirez doesn’t have it most the time. For example, I can appreciate toons about the tax travails of some of Obama’s nominees because there was truth in them, even though I believe the GOP is no better. I can appreciate toons about escalating budget deficits, though I may point out the mess Obama was greeted with on day one. But this teleprompter stuff is a fictitious straw man, in my opinion, thus no element of truth. Others who believe it may find this humorous. I don’t, I find it lacking the necessary element of truth to be an effective editorial cartoon. To me, it’s lame.
believecommonsense about 15 years ago
P.S. The Ramirez toons at March 23 and 24 were humorous, touching upon an element of truth, even though I don’t agree with the editorial comment.
WillBerry about 15 years ago
North Korea is not a rational entity - it is a Dictatorship of an insane man backed by a million-plus military that would rather see their own people starve to death than back down from their swagger. Folks, face it, Iran, and North Korea are loose canons while China and Russia are focused on regaining the world power of the former U.S.S.R., except they are now cooperating and The Great Impostor doesn’t have a clue!
deadheadzan about 15 years ago
senor- you are right on when saying the rest of the world feared us when Bush was in power because he was a loose cannon and loose cannons do crazy things, like start unnecessary wars. Why yes, yes he did. He did start an unnecessary war which resulted in so much death and loss of treasure that we will be clawing ourselves out from under for years to come.
Jam_t78 about 15 years ago
A very good artist, but completely partial to GOP rhetoric (GOP one-liners). A good editorial political cartoonist should stimulate debate, not advocate (or espouse) total nonsense (like a few of these posts)–my thoughts
deadheadzan about 15 years ago
Dredpirate, very good post. Military Intelligence has been called an oxymoron- by people in Military Intelligence. My daughter’s first tour in Iraq was to find Lt. Speicher, whether he was alive or not. The Iraqi who fed us the information that he was alive, was lying. There was absolutely no proof that he had survived the plane crash. The most likely scenario is that he died in the crash and was buried by the Bedouins as that is their custom. My daughter and her team went over thousands of pieces of information and the conclusion was the source had lied about Speicher and we never would have known it if we had not invaded and investigated.