Right, because the last time similar events occurred it was Global Warming’s fault as well.
At least MurphyHerself admitted that there isn’t anything of an consequence that could be done if it were true anyway… just as most GW advocates not complete on the dole have admitted to. After all, it’s just politics anyway.
LOL … all you chicken littles have taken junk science and tried to elevate it to divine law carved in stone! LOL.
earth is not in danger except what the Bible prophecies inspired by the Creator of the Universe have revealed for the future. Earth is going to be changed…by God…and it will be an eternal earth…designed to sustain human life.
^Ah, the old myth standby, universe in six days, Mt.Everest flooded by 40 days of rain, immediate return of all life in 120 days of drying, and millions of species on a boat that wouldn’t hold the passengers on the Titanic, but yes, science has absolutely no bearing with the “Myth bombasters”.
Many cultures have creation MYTHOLOGY! Most are alert enough to the world to realize that positive life lessons can be learned from myths, WITHOUT being STUPID ENOUGH TO TAKE THEM LITERALLY!!
When the danger to life comes from psychotics convinced of those myths from Noah to “God gave us this land”– all life might be in danger- which seems to be exactly what “religionists” want.
I’ll second Jack’s statement. Winter here is like those I grew up in. Sometimes they’re milder, sometimes harsher. But it has sucked for a good 2.5 months out of the year up here for as long as I can remember.
Whether the earth is warming up or not, the POLITICAL issue is regarding whether people are responsible for it. The fact of the matter is that people are incapable of effecting the weather by simply living their lives.
The idiot politicians who want to ruin our economy because we’re destroying the environment have no scientific standing to say that we’re causing climate change…any more than how the weather has changed from colder to more temperate weather since we’ve been able to ascertain climate changes for the past 1500 years.
Global warming is happening, and no data was falsified. Three investigations failed to find any wrong-doing. The only ones who can believe that are conspiracy theorists who deny truth.
And as for humans being unable to change the climate by living their lives – get real. We’re doing it. There are a LOT of us, burning a lot of carbon. Read up on it. It’s real, and it’s not pretty. There may not be time to avoid it, but there’s always time to take action to stop making it worse.
A carbon tax would be the conservative, free-market solution.
The Russians have proposed a theory that oil is actually a renewable resource produced through ongoing processes in the earth and consequently is renewable. Still, the point remains, why not develop energy technologies that pollute less? Who believes that toxic emissions are good? But in the interim, don’t choke off domestic energy exploration and production completely. We need a serious energy policy that balances environment concerns with the need to fuel the economy and in the end, completely cut our dependence on foreign energy sources.
this is typical inanity from Ramirez, and not very original either. Every time cold weather storms hit, some joker will say “how’s that global warming working out for ya?” without acknowledging that it is climate change that is happening. That the warming effect is creating more weather extremes.
^^Fundamentalists want the same “peer review” Galileo got, not science. As “science” has found new data that went along with the law changes, and changes in our impacts, their models changed. The “religious folks” haven’t changed their models in over 2,000 years, despite all the evidence contrary to their beliefs. So who’s pulling the “political con job”???
In 2000-2009 we had the warmest decade ever recorded.
Nowadays we have these hi-tech contraptions called “thermometers” that can record how hot or how cold it is ….and those instruments can be found all over the world! They took away all the guesswork. And it turns out that the temperatures recorded on those thermometers prove the earth is warming.
I hope Mr Ramirez is not so cynical as to assume his devotees are dullards with access to neither a thermometer nor the news.
Greenland alone has a large enough icecap to provide sufficient water to raise the sea level 23 feet, and between 1991 and 2004, monitoring of the weather at one location (Swiss Camp) showed that the average winter temperature had risen almost 6 °C (11 °F). But there’s more involved than just Greenland and the poles (and there’s no land underneath the North Pole, either). Rivers and lakes that provide millions of people with their fresh water supply depend on annual melt to maintain their levels or flows. India’s 1.1 billion get most of their fresh water from the Himalayan runoff. Switzerland’s alpine snow and ice fields feed many European rivers. Iceland’s glaciers feed rivers that supply almost all of that country’s electricity. What’s going to happen when those rivers don’t get fed by annual runoff?
Antarctica has 10 times as much ice as Greenland, and it is mostly on mountains that are as much as 3 miles high.
Thus your ice cube in the glass analogy would not work for that ice.
RV, as Rock notes, Antarctica IS actually a continent with great land mass, and a LOT of ice on board. Hansen discusses this in “Storms of my Grandchildren”. While in New Zealand we visited the “home base” for the Antarctic expeditions- some interesting exhibits– you can also “experience” an Antarctic winter.(been cold, 60 below zero F., let my friends do it while I held her guide dog)
As I live very near a 3,000 foot vertical scarp (largest in North America- height plus length) it often amuses me to think about potential plate tectonic activity far in excess of what we “humans” have observed and recorded, but potentially, well, potential. Just think about taking a ride on a horst going up 1,500 feet, in a week!! Disney would sell a LOT of tickets for that!
Granted, we don’t expect some things to happen, but I do LOVE the potential of “Mother Nature” to kick us in the well, posterior.
It IS about time as well. How many humans were around when the rocks forming Mt Everest, or Denver, Colorado, were at the bottom of seas, accumulating those sea shells that “she sells”?? Yep, tectonics is interesting and sometimes relatively “quick” as I noted earlier.
The FLOATING ice has never been a sea rise problem, but a changing of the chemistry problem. The terrestrial ice melt will raise levels. The relatively “quick” influence, taking place in less than a century (really fast geologically speaking) , of sea level rise is already impacting low-lying wetlands around the world, increasing salinity of fresh or brackish waters that support large populations of aquatics, and the people who harvest them. When salinity in these wet areas increases, kiss off the crops.(Gee! We’re doing this NOW by contaminating the Ogalala aquifer under our midwest “breadbasket” as well!!) This only takes a slight increase in sea levels to have huge impacts. We are NOT talking about inundating Manhattan, or Miami, (hmmm, Jake’s Stone Crab Restaurant might be on a boat?) in the SHORT term.
What is frustrating is conveying that SOME impacts have already BEEN occurring(species impacts on land) and other impacts are a short time down the road; in a century or two!
As the population of the planet will pass 7 billion this year, and go to 9 billion in another decade or two(even though “fertility” is down) elbow room might bring on more serious problems, and combine that with the physical/biological impacts of a warming climate as well, and it ain’t pretty.
MurphyHerself over 13 years ago
GW also means more extreme and violent weather conditions. Whether or not you believe in it, it’s too late to fix it . Enjoy the ride.
WarBush over 13 years ago
You’re experiencing it now. Or at least a symptom of it.
rockngolfer over 13 years ago
The ice caps are melting. Where does the heat come from to melt the ice caps? The temperate zones. The Earth is warming up, overall.
DjGuardian over 13 years ago
Right, because the last time similar events occurred it was Global Warming’s fault as well.
At least MurphyHerself admitted that there isn’t anything of an consequence that could be done if it were true anyway… just as most GW advocates not complete on the dole have admitted to. After all, it’s just politics anyway.
didereaux over 13 years ago
Science isn’t Ramirez’s strong suit.
disgustedtaxpayer over 13 years ago
LOL … all you chicken littles have taken junk science and tried to elevate it to divine law carved in stone! LOL.
earth is not in danger except what the Bible prophecies inspired by the Creator of the Universe have revealed for the future. Earth is going to be changed…by God…and it will be an eternal earth…designed to sustain human life.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
^Ah, the old myth standby, universe in six days, Mt.Everest flooded by 40 days of rain, immediate return of all life in 120 days of drying, and millions of species on a boat that wouldn’t hold the passengers on the Titanic, but yes, science has absolutely no bearing with the “Myth bombasters”.
Many cultures have creation MYTHOLOGY! Most are alert enough to the world to realize that positive life lessons can be learned from myths, WITHOUT being STUPID ENOUGH TO TAKE THEM LITERALLY!!
When the danger to life comes from psychotics convinced of those myths from Noah to “God gave us this land”– all life might be in danger- which seems to be exactly what “religionists” want.
iamthelorax over 13 years ago
I’ll second Jack’s statement. Winter here is like those I grew up in. Sometimes they’re milder, sometimes harsher. But it has sucked for a good 2.5 months out of the year up here for as long as I can remember.
fallacyside over 13 years ago
I think that should be “seldomly”; English Teacher, please referee..
And the “global warming ” is right where it’s always been - in the Tropics.
fallacyside over 13 years ago
Hey, that’s the year I was born…better update your Hit Parade.
How about…
“The Wheel in the sky keeps on burning, Don’t know where I’ll be tomorrow…”
yohannbiimu over 13 years ago
Whether the earth is warming up or not, the POLITICAL issue is regarding whether people are responsible for it. The fact of the matter is that people are incapable of effecting the weather by simply living their lives.
The idiot politicians who want to ruin our economy because we’re destroying the environment have no scientific standing to say that we’re causing climate change…any more than how the weather has changed from colder to more temperate weather since we’ve been able to ascertain climate changes for the past 1500 years.
Gypsy8 over 13 years ago
Let’s not roll the dice on potential catastrophic environmental damage on the basis of Conservative talking points.
ARodney over 13 years ago
Global warming is happening, and no data was falsified. Three investigations failed to find any wrong-doing. The only ones who can believe that are conspiracy theorists who deny truth.
And as for humans being unable to change the climate by living their lives – get real. We’re doing it. There are a LOT of us, burning a lot of carbon. Read up on it. It’s real, and it’s not pretty. There may not be time to avoid it, but there’s always time to take action to stop making it worse.
A carbon tax would be the conservative, free-market solution.
phdtogo over 13 years ago
The Russians have proposed a theory that oil is actually a renewable resource produced through ongoing processes in the earth and consequently is renewable. Still, the point remains, why not develop energy technologies that pollute less? Who believes that toxic emissions are good? But in the interim, don’t choke off domestic energy exploration and production completely. We need a serious energy policy that balances environment concerns with the need to fuel the economy and in the end, completely cut our dependence on foreign energy sources.
believecommonsense over 13 years ago
this is typical inanity from Ramirez, and not very original either. Every time cold weather storms hit, some joker will say “how’s that global warming working out for ya?” without acknowledging that it is climate change that is happening. That the warming effect is creating more weather extremes.
Gypsy8 over 13 years ago
The only change more certain than climate change is the change of the facts and perspective in the UK data incident to fit the conservative narrative.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
^^Fundamentalists want the same “peer review” Galileo got, not science. As “science” has found new data that went along with the law changes, and changes in our impacts, their models changed. The “religious folks” haven’t changed their models in over 2,000 years, despite all the evidence contrary to their beliefs. So who’s pulling the “political con job”???
sophieschoice over 13 years ago
In 2000-2009 we had the warmest decade ever recorded. Nowadays we have these hi-tech contraptions called “thermometers” that can record how hot or how cold it is ….and those instruments can be found all over the world! They took away all the guesswork. And it turns out that the temperatures recorded on those thermometers prove the earth is warming. I hope Mr Ramirez is not so cynical as to assume his devotees are dullards with access to neither a thermometer nor the news.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
Isn’t it reassuring that Miss Liberty isn’t subject to “blue balls”?
Thomas R. Williams over 13 years ago
She wouldn’t be nearly so cold if Bush’s justice department hadn’t confiscated all her foundation garments– and now Obama’s lot has locked them away.
runar over 13 years ago
Notice how the deniers shut up when the summer heats up?
PlainBill over 13 years ago
Hey Doofus, it’s in the Southern Hemisphere this time of year.
runar over 13 years ago
@ReasonsVentriloquist :
Greenland alone has a large enough icecap to provide sufficient water to raise the sea level 23 feet, and between 1991 and 2004, monitoring of the weather at one location (Swiss Camp) showed that the average winter temperature had risen almost 6 °C (11 °F). But there’s more involved than just Greenland and the poles (and there’s no land underneath the North Pole, either). Rivers and lakes that provide millions of people with their fresh water supply depend on annual melt to maintain their levels or flows. India’s 1.1 billion get most of their fresh water from the Himalayan runoff. Switzerland’s alpine snow and ice fields feed many European rivers. Iceland’s glaciers feed rivers that supply almost all of that country’s electricity. What’s going to happen when those rivers don’t get fed by annual runoff?
rockngolfer over 13 years ago
Antarctica has 10 times as much ice as Greenland, and it is mostly on mountains that are as much as 3 miles high. Thus your ice cube in the glass analogy would not work for that ice.
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
RV, as Rock notes, Antarctica IS actually a continent with great land mass, and a LOT of ice on board. Hansen discusses this in “Storms of my Grandchildren”. While in New Zealand we visited the “home base” for the Antarctic expeditions- some interesting exhibits– you can also “experience” an Antarctic winter.(been cold, 60 below zero F., let my friends do it while I held her guide dog)
As I live very near a 3,000 foot vertical scarp (largest in North America- height plus length) it often amuses me to think about potential plate tectonic activity far in excess of what we “humans” have observed and recorded, but potentially, well, potential. Just think about taking a ride on a horst going up 1,500 feet, in a week!! Disney would sell a LOT of tickets for that!
Granted, we don’t expect some things to happen, but I do LOVE the potential of “Mother Nature” to kick us in the well, posterior.
xaachixhelin over 13 years ago
Just remember: weather is not a synonym of climate!
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
It IS about time as well. How many humans were around when the rocks forming Mt Everest, or Denver, Colorado, were at the bottom of seas, accumulating those sea shells that “she sells”?? Yep, tectonics is interesting and sometimes relatively “quick” as I noted earlier.
The FLOATING ice has never been a sea rise problem, but a changing of the chemistry problem. The terrestrial ice melt will raise levels. The relatively “quick” influence, taking place in less than a century (really fast geologically speaking) , of sea level rise is already impacting low-lying wetlands around the world, increasing salinity of fresh or brackish waters that support large populations of aquatics, and the people who harvest them. When salinity in these wet areas increases, kiss off the crops.(Gee! We’re doing this NOW by contaminating the Ogalala aquifer under our midwest “breadbasket” as well!!) This only takes a slight increase in sea levels to have huge impacts. We are NOT talking about inundating Manhattan, or Miami, (hmmm, Jake’s Stone Crab Restaurant might be on a boat?) in the SHORT term.
What is frustrating is conveying that SOME impacts have already BEEN occurring(species impacts on land) and other impacts are a short time down the road; in a century or two!
As the population of the planet will pass 7 billion this year, and go to 9 billion in another decade or two(even though “fertility” is down) elbow room might bring on more serious problems, and combine that with the physical/biological impacts of a warming climate as well, and it ain’t pretty.