I see the bots are out in full force today, trying to do damage control. It’s like trying to put out the California brush fires with a Dixie cup. Hilarious!
President nixon also fired the person investigating his presidential campaign, Archibald Cox.
On the night of Saturday, October 20, 1973, President nixon ordered Cox’s firing. However, the person with authority to dismiss Cox, nixon’s Attorney General Elliot Richardson, refused to carry out the order. Instead, Richardson resigned. His deputy, William Ruckelshaus, then became acting attorney general, and also refused to obey the order. Ruckelshaus resigned too. That left Robert Bork, the solicitor general, as the highest-ranking official in the Justice Department. Bork carried out nixon’s order and dismissed Cox.
This accelerated public interest and outrage, this was a very public, and very brazen, attempt to derail efforts to investigate his crimes. The public reaction would force nixon to appoint another special prosecutor to replace Cox, and accelerated congressional interest in impeaching the president. A president had never brazenly fired an official charged with investigating the president’s conduct before.
Senior administration officials soon started resigning. The attorney general, Richard Kleindienst, nixon’s chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, and domestic policy adviser John Ehrlichman all resigned, and nixon fired White House counsel John Dean.
The reaction to the events was furious. It felt like we were in a banana republic. It was a major turning point in the scandal, and helped make impeachment feel like a real possibility.
The newspapers carried banner headlines. Within two days, 150,000 telegrams had arrived in the capital, the largest concentrated volume in the history of Western Union. Deans of the most prestigious law schools in the country demanded that Congress commence an impeachment inquiry. By the following Tuesday, 44 separate Watergate-related bills had been introduced in the House. Twenty-two bills called for an impeachment investigation.
Where are the evangelicals? The Rump pays off a prostitute he knew while being married to his current wife, and they give Rump a pass? Anyone recall these same evangelicals over Bill-Monica??? Hypocrisy of the first order.
Once again Lester hit the nail squarely on the head. We elected a TV show huckster, why should we be surprised when the best he can do is act like a TV show huckster? My father-in-law always used to say, “You buy cheap shit, you get cheap shit”. Lester has echoed those words perfectly.
@JLOCKE: Anyone who advocates for or supports scumbag sexual predators like Trump or Roy Moore are not true Christians but rather scumbag enablers complicit in the crimes after the fact. In other words…Christians In Name Only.
Ok Mike, you seem to misunderstand this event just as you misunderstand most of the others you write about. It’s not that he “wanted” to fire “somebody”, it’s that he actually “tried” to fire “somebody”. Heck, I have a “better dead” list myself (“I have a little list, they never will be missed”) but I think people would get a little upset if I tried to make it so.
Is the crime of obstruction of justice so unimportant to you? Aren’t conservatives supposed to be kinda hot on the whole “rule of law” thing?
Maybe Mr. Lester is just trying to spread more “smoke!” This would probably agree more with his views … He may also think the GOP’s biased tax “reform” is just fine for all Americans.
SFCGATOR, considering the number of indictments, a couple of guilty pleas already, and Trump meeting with Russians in the White House, your claims that the accusations were “totally false” doesn’t hold much weight. Then there are the statements from Jared and Don Jr. about Trump borrowing money from Russian sources and meeting with Russians to “get dirt” on HRC.
WSJ, 26 Jan 2018: Donald Trump Sought Firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in June
The president, who is in Davos, Switzerland, for an economic conference, denied on Friday that he considered dismissing Mr. Mueller.
“Fake news. Fake news,” Mr. Trump said as he arrived in the World Economic Forum on Friday morning for meetings with foreign leaders ahead of his address this afternoon.
I think those with heads on fire are mostly from the (non-conservative) far Right, not the Center or Left. And it isn’t that he considered firing Mueller (in front of witnesses), it’s that he now repeatedly has denied that he did consider doing it.
Negative “catch phrases” are not something that you expect from adults in serious situations, much less from the US president. The idea of electing “someone you can have a beer with” which was bad enough, has now been replaced by Trump’s base with “someone that expresses my racism, xenophobia and homophobia”.
Oh SFCGATOR, it’s truly amazing how backwards you get everything. First you say “Yeah, well the bottom line is he DIDN’T fire Mueller”. I guess that makes attempted murder ok then. As in, “I tried but failed to kill him”? Secondly, you start to go off about “collusion” when that’s not what’s being investigated. Whether you know it or not, “collusion” isn’t a crime. Apparently you don’t know it. Trying to get dirt on an opponent might be something that “all parties” do, but trying to conspire with a hostile nation to do it isn’t what “all parties” do. They should have immediately contacted the FBI. Even Bannon said it was treasonous. The conspiracy nonsense about the FISA warrant is absurd. If you have “evidence” then turn it over to the correct authorities.
I’m astounded that Lester is this clueless. Trump didn’t just try to fire “someone”, he tried to fire the law enforcement officer investigating his administration, and there is plenty of evidence that suggested individuals within his administration were colluding with Russia. Furthermore, he had already fired the first law enforcement officer in that position. Using your position to fire the person investigating your administration stinks of obstruction of justice. If the chief of police was being investigated for a possible crime, and he repeatedly fired any officers involved in conducting the investigation, you would not see that as suspicious?
“I’m astounded that Lester is this clueless.” — BU4THB6A2
Mike Lester is not clueless. He is willfully blindly Partisan. He ignores truth for what he wishes were true .. just like the Republican Congress who have pinned their destinies on a liar and a cheater with no redeeming qualities that can support our eminent place among world Nations.
jorgen Premium Member over 6 years ago
Mueller shouldn’t be fired. He should be prosecuted for running a witch hunt.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 6 years ago
Gee; I wonder why everyone else thought it was a bad idea. Mr. Lester, can you say “obstruction”?
hermit48 over 6 years ago
So its ok for a guy called “Killer” to try to kill someone?
Zev over 6 years ago
I see the bots are out in full force today, trying to do damage control. It’s like trying to put out the California brush fires with a Dixie cup. Hilarious!
Guy Fawkes over 6 years ago
President nixon also fired the person investigating his presidential campaign, Archibald Cox.
On the night of Saturday, October 20, 1973, President nixon ordered Cox’s firing. However, the person with authority to dismiss Cox, nixon’s Attorney General Elliot Richardson, refused to carry out the order. Instead, Richardson resigned. His deputy, William Ruckelshaus, then became acting attorney general, and also refused to obey the order. Ruckelshaus resigned too. That left Robert Bork, the solicitor general, as the highest-ranking official in the Justice Department. Bork carried out nixon’s order and dismissed Cox.
This accelerated public interest and outrage, this was a very public, and very brazen, attempt to derail efforts to investigate his crimes. The public reaction would force nixon to appoint another special prosecutor to replace Cox, and accelerated congressional interest in impeaching the president. A president had never brazenly fired an official charged with investigating the president’s conduct before.
Senior administration officials soon started resigning. The attorney general, Richard Kleindienst, nixon’s chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, and domestic policy adviser John Ehrlichman all resigned, and nixon fired White House counsel John Dean.
The reaction to the events was furious. It felt like we were in a banana republic. It was a major turning point in the scandal, and helped make impeachment feel like a real possibility.
The newspapers carried banner headlines. Within two days, 150,000 telegrams had arrived in the capital, the largest concentrated volume in the history of Western Union. Deans of the most prestigious law schools in the country demanded that Congress commence an impeachment inquiry. By the following Tuesday, 44 separate Watergate-related bills had been introduced in the House. Twenty-two bills called for an impeachment investigation.
Crabbyrino Premium Member over 6 years ago
Where are the evangelicals? The Rump pays off a prostitute he knew while being married to his current wife, and they give Rump a pass? Anyone recall these same evangelicals over Bill-Monica??? Hypocrisy of the first order.
Durak Premium Member over 6 years ago
Once again Lester hit the nail squarely on the head. We elected a TV show huckster, why should we be surprised when the best he can do is act like a TV show huckster? My father-in-law always used to say, “You buy cheap shit, you get cheap shit”. Lester has echoed those words perfectly.
NRHAWK Premium Member over 6 years ago
@JLOCKE: Anyone who advocates for or supports scumbag sexual predators like Trump or Roy Moore are not true Christians but rather scumbag enablers complicit in the crimes after the fact. In other words…Christians In Name Only.
Wlly Blly over 6 years ago
Ok Mike, you seem to misunderstand this event just as you misunderstand most of the others you write about. It’s not that he “wanted” to fire “somebody”, it’s that he actually “tried” to fire “somebody”. Heck, I have a “better dead” list myself (“I have a little list, they never will be missed”) but I think people would get a little upset if I tried to make it so.
Is the crime of obstruction of justice so unimportant to you? Aren’t conservatives supposed to be kinda hot on the whole “rule of law” thing?
braindead Premium Member over 6 years ago
Lester provides proof positive that there was no Russian interference with American elections.
The logic of the Trump Disciples.
Because patriotism.
DrDon1 over 6 years ago
Maybe Mr. Lester is just trying to spread more “smoke!” This would probably agree more with his views … He may also think the GOP’s biased tax “reform” is just fine for all Americans.
Nantucket Premium Member over 6 years ago
SFCGATOR, considering the number of indictments, a couple of guilty pleas already, and Trump meeting with Russians in the White House, your claims that the accusations were “totally false” doesn’t hold much weight. Then there are the statements from Jared and Don Jr. about Trump borrowing money from Russian sources and meeting with Russians to “get dirt” on HRC.
martens over 6 years ago
WSJ, 26 Jan 2018: Donald Trump Sought Firing of Special Counsel Robert Mueller in June
The president, who is in Davos, Switzerland, for an economic conference, denied on Friday that he considered dismissing Mr. Mueller.
“Fake news. Fake news,” Mr. Trump said as he arrived in the World Economic Forum on Friday morning for meetings with foreign leaders ahead of his address this afternoon.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-denies-reports-he-tried-to-fire-mueller-1516966222
I think those with heads on fire are mostly from the (non-conservative) far Right, not the Center or Left. And it isn’t that he considered firing Mueller (in front of witnesses), it’s that he now repeatedly has denied that he did consider doing it.
Nantucket Premium Member over 6 years ago
Negative “catch phrases” are not something that you expect from adults in serious situations, much less from the US president. The idea of electing “someone you can have a beer with” which was bad enough, has now been replaced by Trump’s base with “someone that expresses my racism, xenophobia and homophobia”.
Wlly Blly over 6 years ago
Oh SFCGATOR, it’s truly amazing how backwards you get everything. First you say “Yeah, well the bottom line is he DIDN’T fire Mueller”. I guess that makes attempted murder ok then. As in, “I tried but failed to kill him”? Secondly, you start to go off about “collusion” when that’s not what’s being investigated. Whether you know it or not, “collusion” isn’t a crime. Apparently you don’t know it. Trying to get dirt on an opponent might be something that “all parties” do, but trying to conspire with a hostile nation to do it isn’t what “all parties” do. They should have immediately contacted the FBI. Even Bannon said it was treasonous. The conspiracy nonsense about the FISA warrant is absurd. If you have “evidence” then turn it over to the correct authorities.
You poor, sad, pathetic Trump troll.
robnvon Premium Member over 6 years ago
It was who he wanted to fire. If Lucifer had been in a scrappy mood, he could have called out lots of folk…. it was WHO he called out.
Nantucket Premium Member over 6 years ago
SFCGATOR, hope this helps you understand how the indictments fit in with collusion.
.https://www.vox.com/world/2017/7/24/16008272/robert-mueller-fbi-trump-russia-explained
Retired engineer over 6 years ago
I’m astounded that Lester is this clueless. Trump didn’t just try to fire “someone”, he tried to fire the law enforcement officer investigating his administration, and there is plenty of evidence that suggested individuals within his administration were colluding with Russia. Furthermore, he had already fired the first law enforcement officer in that position. Using your position to fire the person investigating your administration stinks of obstruction of justice. If the chief of police was being investigated for a possible crime, and he repeatedly fired any officers involved in conducting the investigation, you would not see that as suspicious?
NeoconMan over 6 years ago
JLocke is right; Obama has a long history of persecuting Christians. He was always feeding them to the lions in the coliseum.
Daeder over 6 years ago
Ignore context much?
Addled Brain over 6 years ago
“I’m astounded that Lester is this clueless.” — BU4THB6A2
Mike Lester is not clueless. He is willfully blindly Partisan. He ignores truth for what he wishes were true .. just like the Republican Congress who have pinned their destinies on a liar and a cheater with no redeeming qualities that can support our eminent place among world Nations.