Final straw for the revisionists of American History?-A 2-term President that was first a soldier from the age of 13,and a lawyer and served in Congress both in the House and Senate, now being replaced by a pro-Lincoln freed slave who worked for the US Army and was a Republican?-Mrs. Tubman was a heroine, and risked her life helping free others. She should be honored, but not necessarily on US print money. Make the honor fit her accomplishments.-And stop revising our history and destroying our heroes.
.After Jackson’s swearing-in ceremony and address to Congress, the new president returned to the White House to meet and greet a flock of politicians, celebrities and citizens. Very shortly, the crowd swelled to more than 20,000, turning the usually dignified White House into a boisterous mob scene. Some guests stood on furniture in muddy shoes while others rummaged through rooms looking for the president–breaking dishes, crystal and grinding food into the carpet along the way. (White House staff reported the carpets smelled of cheese for months after the party.) In an attempt to draw partygoers out of the building, servants set up washtubs full of juice and whiskey on the White House lawn..The White House open-house tradition continued until several assassination attempts heightened security concerns.
Trump complains that the move is pure political correctness which means it is probably upsetting the racists. We want to make America great again like Jackson a slave-owner with a dismal record on Native American and racial issues, including the “Trail of Tears.”Tubman freed people on an individual basis and she has a legacy of what an individual can do in a democracy.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2016/04/22/dishonoring-general-jackson-n2152283-Pat Buchanan wrote the article in the url above.He quotes Morison’s “The Oxford History of the American People” and brings up facts that are relevant to the huge accomplishments President Jackson contributed to the growing USA.-Indians were rampaging in Georgia in 1818 and Jackson was sent to Florida, ousted the Spaniards and claimed Florida for the USA. Pat B reports that Sec. State J.Q. Adams closed the deal. Jacksonville, Fla. is one of America’s great cities.-Andrew Jackson was important enough to have 5 chapters devoted to facts about his life and career. But today’s PC revisionists are erasing America’s true history, and trying to replace the most successful nation on earth with imported aliens who have no love for the God of the Bible and the US government system modeled with Biblical principles. People who welcome the mandated indecency rules and legalizing of sin after sin. The basic morality built into our laws is being shredded by liberally brainwashed attorneys and judges who see nothing wrong with protecting 9-month abortion laws and the selling of preborn body parts; or legalizing sodomites “marriages” which are direct insults to our Creator and Maker and His Law. God will judge America as He has judged other sinful and unrepentant nations in the history of earth since Adam’s day.
Honoring this great woman will not absolve America of its moral stains nor will a National Sorry Day (like they have in Australia for their genocidal treatment of their native people) atone for the centuries long degradation and dehumanization of people of color, It’s a mindset and a much different one than when a George Wallace and his followers could declare that them “nigras” would never have equal rights and when water fountains, bathrooms, lunch counters were white only or that encouraged people to spit on Jackie Robinson. It is, however, another step in the right direction towards a moral society. Harriet Tubman is a true hero and example of amazing courage. My parents were virulent racists, my children are the opposite. Social evolution is happening and will someday allow America to live up to its goals of “liberty and justice for all,” and “all men are created equal.”
If I had to look up Harriet Tubman as I had never, ever heard of her before, she must have been really important to have been written out of your history.
Perhaps I misunderstood his comment and the tenor of it. I know a bit about South African history (due to my curiosity about my heroes, Nelson Mandela, Hugh Masekela, Miriam Makeba, and others, and of course the whole struggle against apartheid), but perhaps not enough to comment on who they put on their currency, especially if I never heard of that person. I’m still not sure if Q, whose comments I’d never noticed before was being ironical or not in his comments about Ms. Tubman, it’s a bit hazy to me.
I checked on-line onhttps://archive.org/stream/LiesMyTeacherToldMe/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me_djvu.txt
I gave away my copy of “Lies My Teacher Told Me” to my bright and inquiring nephew (aged 17) so I wasn’t able to immediately check if Loewen had described who Harriet Tubman was. That would have made my statement of never having heard of her untrue.There are at least 2 mentions of her name, but not much detail about her. I thinkkkk ….I can be forgiven for stating that I had not heard of her; it’s been a few years since I read the book and they were mere mentions…
Yeah, which is why I qualified my comment by mentioning the Bantu.
Archeologists have confirmed the existence of settlements in southern Africa going back 1500 years and reckon Bantus’ migration into what is now South Africa was quite firmly established at least a century or more before the infamous date of 1652. Portuguese sailors had reported peoples living along the eastern coast as well. The notion that the Bantus were a recent group, rivalling the Europeans, was to support the idea that neither groups were firmly established and competed equally for land etc and thus when the Europeans gained the upper hand after a few wars, to acknowledge they had won the land “fair and square”.
I must say though, that around the 6th or 7th grade I did visit on a school trip the remains of an early Bantu settlement in the Highveld, either in Gauteng or north of it. I wish I could remember details of what was claimed on that trip…
Btw, the term Hottentots has the same derogatory connotation as “eskimo”, so rather use the correct description: the Khoi (to be more accurate, Khoikhoi, one of the Khoisan. Another out-dated and now also considered derogatory term, Bushmen, are also part of the Khoisan peoples, and are called the San)
Which reminds me of a rather embarrassing incident with another parent of one of my daughter’s classmates…The mother in question, Scottish born but brought up in SA, was previously married to a South African with the surname Witbooi. She still carries the surname. I had recognised the name as being possibly Griqua/Nama, but in a chat much, much later she mentioned the family Witbooi. I had absolutely no idea who Hendrik Witbooi was…My compatriot’s reaction was not unlike StCleve’s above: “more about either you and your intellectual curiosity”
Oh… a positive aspect of my Eurocentric education was that I knew of the Napoleonic wars, Italian Reunification, German Reunification, of course both world wars, some Btritish history and…Austro-Hungarian history. I even knew who Metternich was and his role…This left my Austrian in-laws absolutely gobsmacked…that I, a South African Portuguese, knew Austrian historical figures. Ah well.
Yes, I remember it was him who had recommended it to you. You always give him the credit whenever I bring it up :)
As I take time to read and enjoy StCleve’s comments on this forum, I trust this can continue without further misunderstandings.
PS: A few weeks back I missed yet another Wizard of Oz reference so I’ve ordered the 75th anniversay Bluray 3D version of the bloody original. Arrived a few minutes ago in fact. As soon as I return home, I’ll pop it in and will watch it with my kid. (1939 classic remastered for 3D?! If it’s in 3D and I have a 3D TV, whynot? Daughter/Dad bonding time with goggles!) And yes, I’ve got the book…for her, but I’ll read it, too ;-)
1941gko about 8 years ago
Meh, who looks at the faces on money today, or even uses or carries cash?
kline0800 about 8 years ago
Final straw for the revisionists of American History?-A 2-term President that was first a soldier from the age of 13,and a lawyer and served in Congress both in the House and Senate, now being replaced by a pro-Lincoln freed slave who worked for the US Army and was a Republican?-Mrs. Tubman was a heroine, and risked her life helping free others. She should be honored, but not necessarily on US print money. Make the honor fit her accomplishments.-And stop revising our history and destroying our heroes.
PainterArt Premium Member about 8 years ago
.After Jackson’s swearing-in ceremony and address to Congress, the new president returned to the White House to meet and greet a flock of politicians, celebrities and citizens. Very shortly, the crowd swelled to more than 20,000, turning the usually dignified White House into a boisterous mob scene. Some guests stood on furniture in muddy shoes while others rummaged through rooms looking for the president–breaking dishes, crystal and grinding food into the carpet along the way. (White House staff reported the carpets smelled of cheese for months after the party.) In an attempt to draw partygoers out of the building, servants set up washtubs full of juice and whiskey on the White House lawn..The White House open-house tradition continued until several assassination attempts heightened security concerns.
HabaneroBuck about 8 years ago
Everyone was a racist back then. Judging by white flight, I would say all whites are racists today, as well!
ARodney about 8 years ago
I love the comments, revealing that conservatives CAN, in fact, support a Democrat: provided you go back to when the Democrats were the racist party.
Mr. Blawt about 8 years ago
Trump complains that the move is pure political correctness which means it is probably upsetting the racists. We want to make America great again like Jackson a slave-owner with a dismal record on Native American and racial issues, including the “Trail of Tears.”Tubman freed people on an individual basis and she has a legacy of what an individual can do in a democracy.
eremite about 8 years ago
I understood your racist screed the first time, Tom; why repeat? Oh, yeah: Nú sé eg að hér er við tröll að eiga en ekki við menn."
Simon_Jester about 8 years ago
Speaking of racists….
kline0800 about 8 years ago
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2016/04/22/dishonoring-general-jackson-n2152283-Pat Buchanan wrote the article in the url above.He quotes Morison’s “The Oxford History of the American People” and brings up facts that are relevant to the huge accomplishments President Jackson contributed to the growing USA.-Indians were rampaging in Georgia in 1818 and Jackson was sent to Florida, ousted the Spaniards and claimed Florida for the USA. Pat B reports that Sec. State J.Q. Adams closed the deal. Jacksonville, Fla. is one of America’s great cities.-Andrew Jackson was important enough to have 5 chapters devoted to facts about his life and career. But today’s PC revisionists are erasing America’s true history, and trying to replace the most successful nation on earth with imported aliens who have no love for the God of the Bible and the US government system modeled with Biblical principles. People who welcome the mandated indecency rules and legalizing of sin after sin. The basic morality built into our laws is being shredded by liberally brainwashed attorneys and judges who see nothing wrong with protecting 9-month abortion laws and the selling of preborn body parts; or legalizing sodomites “marriages” which are direct insults to our Creator and Maker and His Law. God will judge America as He has judged other sinful and unrepentant nations in the history of earth since Adam’s day.
yusodum about 8 years ago
She’s just interim, anyway. But we can’t put President Trump on there. He hasn’t been elected yet.
StCleve72 about 8 years ago
Honoring this great woman will not absolve America of its moral stains nor will a National Sorry Day (like they have in Australia for their genocidal treatment of their native people) atone for the centuries long degradation and dehumanization of people of color, It’s a mindset and a much different one than when a George Wallace and his followers could declare that them “nigras” would never have equal rights and when water fountains, bathrooms, lunch counters were white only or that encouraged people to spit on Jackie Robinson. It is, however, another step in the right direction towards a moral society. Harriet Tubman is a true hero and example of amazing courage. My parents were virulent racists, my children are the opposite. Social evolution is happening and will someday allow America to live up to its goals of “liberty and justice for all,” and “all men are created equal.”
Dtroutma about 8 years ago
My maternal grandfather was Cherokee, Jackson can go.
OmqR-IV.0 about 8 years ago
If I had to look up Harriet Tubman as I had never, ever heard of her before, she must have been really important to have been written out of your history.
StCleve72 about 8 years ago
Perhaps I misunderstood his comment and the tenor of it. I know a bit about South African history (due to my curiosity about my heroes, Nelson Mandela, Hugh Masekela, Miriam Makeba, and others, and of course the whole struggle against apartheid), but perhaps not enough to comment on who they put on their currency, especially if I never heard of that person. I’m still not sure if Q, whose comments I’d never noticed before was being ironical or not in his comments about Ms. Tubman, it’s a bit hazy to me.
OmqR-IV.0 about 8 years ago
…FYI…
I checked on-line onhttps://archive.org/stream/LiesMyTeacherToldMe/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me_djvu.txt
I gave away my copy of “Lies My Teacher Told Me” to my bright and inquiring nephew (aged 17) so I wasn’t able to immediately check if Loewen had described who Harriet Tubman was. That would have made my statement of never having heard of her untrue.There are at least 2 mentions of her name, but not much detail about her. I thinkkkk ….I can be forgiven for stating that I had not heard of her; it’s been a few years since I read the book and they were mere mentions…
OmqR-IV.0 about 8 years ago
Yeah, which is why I qualified my comment by mentioning the Bantu.
Archeologists have confirmed the existence of settlements in southern Africa going back 1500 years and reckon Bantus’ migration into what is now South Africa was quite firmly established at least a century or more before the infamous date of 1652. Portuguese sailors had reported peoples living along the eastern coast as well. The notion that the Bantus were a recent group, rivalling the Europeans, was to support the idea that neither groups were firmly established and competed equally for land etc and thus when the Europeans gained the upper hand after a few wars, to acknowledge they had won the land “fair and square”.
I must say though, that around the 6th or 7th grade I did visit on a school trip the remains of an early Bantu settlement in the Highveld, either in Gauteng or north of it. I wish I could remember details of what was claimed on that trip…
Btw, the term Hottentots has the same derogatory connotation as “eskimo”, so rather use the correct description: the Khoi (to be more accurate, Khoikhoi, one of the Khoisan. Another out-dated and now also considered derogatory term, Bushmen, are also part of the Khoisan peoples, and are called the San)
Which reminds me of a rather embarrassing incident with another parent of one of my daughter’s classmates…The mother in question, Scottish born but brought up in SA, was previously married to a South African with the surname Witbooi. She still carries the surname. I had recognised the name as being possibly Griqua/Nama, but in a chat much, much later she mentioned the family Witbooi. I had absolutely no idea who Hendrik Witbooi was…My compatriot’s reaction was not unlike StCleve’s above: “more about either you and your intellectual curiosity”
…owwwwouch.
OmqR-IV.0 about 8 years ago
Oh… a positive aspect of my Eurocentric education was that I knew of the Napoleonic wars, Italian Reunification, German Reunification, of course both world wars, some Btritish history and…Austro-Hungarian history. I even knew who Metternich was and his role…This left my Austrian in-laws absolutely gobsmacked…that I, a South African Portuguese, knew Austrian historical figures. Ah well.
OmqR-IV.0 about 8 years ago
Yes, I remember it was him who had recommended it to you. You always give him the credit whenever I bring it up :)
As I take time to read and enjoy StCleve’s comments on this forum, I trust this can continue without further misunderstandings.
PS: A few weeks back I missed yet another Wizard of Oz reference so I’ve ordered the 75th anniversay Bluray 3D version of the bloody original. Arrived a few minutes ago in fact. As soon as I return home, I’ll pop it in and will watch it with my kid. (1939 classic remastered for 3D?! If it’s in 3D and I have a 3D TV, whynot? Daughter/Dad bonding time with goggles!) And yes, I’ve got the book…for her, but I’ll read it, too ;-)