Chip Bok for November 21, 2014

As right as Obama is on immigration reform, he is completely wrong on the Keystone. It is pure politics and it will hurt America in the long run..There are now 2.5 million miles of oil and gas pipelines in the U.S.; 74 pipelines now cross the Canada U.S. border. The Keystone XL is but a small part of the infrastructure that facilitates getting petroleum from supplier to consumer. The Keystone will be some of the most modern and safest. Stopping the Keystone will not stop the oil from getting from the third largest oil deposit in the world to market – it just makes it more expensive, less environmentally friendly, less safe, and deprives the U.S. from a more politically stable source. The American public resisting the Keystone with almost religious fervour and with little scientific evidence need to realize they are being manipulated by environmentalists who depend upon issues such as the Keystone for fundraising.

Much of the oil America now imports, such as from Venezuela, is bitumen based similar to oil from the Oil Sands of Canada. The oil market is a world market, but the U.S. has a major advantage in using oil supplied by the Keystone XL because of proximity to the source and a lower transportation cost. In other words oil from Canada is cheaper than say from Venezuela or Africa.

Rad-ish: Of course! Shipping to China is much more efficient from the Gulf of Mexico (Atlantic Ocean) than from a Pacific port! Actually, BC is blocking the hazardous pipeline through their province. It is alternately governed by Liberal (conservative) and NDP (a curious combination of British Labour trickle down socialism and Co-operative Commonwealth Federation grass-roots up populism), both of which defend The People better than the reactionary oxymoron of Progressive Conservatives or the tea-party wannabe that started out as Social Credit, but seem to change their name every election now. Pity we don’t have that choice this side of “the line”.

Re; the actual pipeline, 1,400 temporary jobs, and 35 permanent jobs shows even the unions ARE short sighted at best. The REAL issue with the line is one that has even real “consrvatives” bent out of shape, rightly so, and it’s the abuse of eminent domain for turning their land over to a PRIVATE FOREIGN CORPORATION!!

On the enviornmental side, it’s not spills over the arlready depleated and contaminated Ogalalla aquifer, but all the waste from processing the dirtiest fossil fuel on Earth, what to do with the waste, and burning what will still be the filthiest source, AFTER IT’s ALL EXPORTED!!

This shouldn’t be a right/left political issue, it should be looking at the actual environmental assessments, the science and the fact that using this source, at this time, is TOTALLY STUPID, and passing a new law, that will tear down every environmental law since NIXON signed NEPA, will have profoun consequences they haven’t even mentioned! VETO is the ONLY viable option for any such ludicrous attempt by the idiots in the House.

radish soros wants to build a pipeline to kitimat to ship the oil and refining jobs to china and he got his puppet to get the puppet’s minion to block xl

First of all don’t assume the oil transported by the Keystone XL goes to China. From the major storage and distribution facilities in Cushing, Ok, it could go to customers anywhere in the world. The major portion would likely go to U.S. customers because they are the closest to the supplies and the largest users and importers of oil. It makes much more sense for the U.S. to use oil from their backyard than say from unfriendly Venezuela. .The Northern Gateway Pipeline is in the planning and permitting stage to transport oil from Alberta to Kitimat, B.C. then to major customers in China, India, Korea, and Japan. Building the Northern Gateway got a major boost when the Keystone XL hit major U. S. political hurdles. If the Americans don’t want the oil, the Asians are overjoyed to take it. But, the Northern Gateway also faces major resistance from environmental groups. Environmental groups and Indian bands have received hundreds of millions of dollars from rich foundations to resist the development of petroleum infrastructure. These groups include the Tides Foundation, the Rockefellers (who made their fortune in oil), the Moore Foundation, the Hewlett Foundation, the Bullitt Foundation, and others. Native bands have received multi-millions of dollars to stand around and beat war drums and decry the loss of hunting and trapping grounds, which sure beats field dressing a moose or baiting a trap! But the Northern Gateway will get built and Asia will be the major beneficiary.

All carbon sources of energy pollute. The largest source of green house gas emissions is coal, from which the U.S. get about half their electrical generation. The development of Alberta’s oil sands would be responsible for about one-tenth of 1% of global emissions. Compared to U.S. coal, the oil sands is almost insignificant..Those against development of carbon sources of energy could demonstrate your sincerity by turning off your furnace, air conditioning, and lights; throw away the car keys; ride a bike; don’t take an airplane, train, or bus; don’t eat anything except what you can hunt or gather naturally; strip the house of all plastics and vinyls. And good luck, you’ll need it.

The environmental impact of the oil sands needs to be managed just as it does for any other carbon source of energy. I’m concerned about the environment (you can call me an environmentalist) and I donate to wildlife causes. But I’m not going to overreact the other way, which could do much more harm than a kneejerk reaction to stop one source of energy use. Americans are being manipulated and misled by groups with an axe to grind. One more point to my earlier funding of the environmental and faux environmental industry. A goodly part of the funding of environmental groups is also coming from national oil companies from Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, and Nigeria who fear competition from the third largest oil deposit on the planet. They spend millions of dollars trying to shut in the Canadian oil sands and avoid the competition.

Northern Redman: Supertankers haul from Valez to some Pacific port already constructed, so that is invalid an argument. With one in Alaska (still not cleaned up), one in California, and Ioca in the Vancouver area, there is no lack of supertanker ports, just a total lack of environmental protection all over. When it goes, so do we, but at least the oil barons will die rich..

Gypsy8: Which ones are those? I am familiar with quite a few environmental group’s financial workings. Unlike Koch Industries or dark money bagmen, they are public record. The main environmental obstacle are a multitude of treaties which the white eyes violate at will.

please do not kill the messenger // Canada central gov has given clearance http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27896552 /// the people of kitimat has voted no but soros could build out side of town // he wants b c gov to spend c$$ on port improvement that is to be seen