Ler’s see - The Far Right believes that Obama is not an American, that he hates white people, that he is a Muslin, that he and the DEMS are plotting to turn America into a Socalist State, that thousands of scientist from all over the world have spent the last 20 years coming up with false studies on Global Warming in a conspiracy to (?), that they need their guns because “The Government Is Coming After Them”, and the Census is proof that Big Government is on it’s way.
And to these people the GOP says: “Come on in, you’re our kind of people, vote for us and everything will be Okay. If you’re against it, were against it.”
Just spoke to an old friend last Friday who was born in a concentration camp- in Idaho in 1944. She knows the purpose of the census to distribute funds to the states, and the Constitutional requirement. While the memory of her parent’s internment, and injustice toward them, brought a tear to her eye, she is still not paranoid about “government”.
It is those who are making the most volatile and whining noise today who seem LEAST informed of what “government” actually means in a Republic.
Further self-indulgent thoughts on why one Leftie doesn’t always think that Big Government is a Good Thing:
I wasn’t quite of an age to join the Civil Rights movement, but I paid a lot of attention to it at the time, a few years later I got to know some of the people who had worked in Mississippi, and since then I have read extensively about the movement. As I’ve said in previous posts (on Toles), the system of racial oppression had been maintained by all three branches of the government at all three levels; only in the mid-fifties was there the beginning of a shift in the position of the Federal government. This shift, however, did not originate with any level of the government; it was pushed by the actions of citizens outside the usual framework of government.
It would have been easy to dedice that government was the problem. And indeed I developed a certain suspicion of government, though I still thought that the New Deal proved the value of certain kinds of government intervention. As I observed and thought it seemed to me that the government was only reflecting deeper social forces. The laws which maintained the racist system were largely a codification of the interests of a dominant group. The fundamental problem was not the law or the government, but the social forces which were codified in the law and the government. Change had to come from below, and then that change then had to be codified in better laws. As it happened, those better laws, or better interpretations of laws, occurred mostly at the Federal level, but as a result of action at the local level. The whole process was complex and probably unique to a particular situation. In this situation, at least, government at the local and state level was Not A Good Thing, while the federal government could sometimes be forced to be Good Thing. But then the war in Vietnam started to heat up, and the whole picture changed.
Folks are mad: so some have hit upon the easiest, although very unwise way to express their dis-satisfaction.
Now look at the anti-Protest hype and rhetoric coming out of the Lib-camp; look at all that “rascism and violence” bleeep, that’s just dangerous…I hope conservatives do not fall for their race-baiting.
Guys and Gals, we still live in a Representative Republic; we can register our protest in November.
I’m actually looking forward to my vote now, after a long-time of being apathetic!
But I believe he is looking forward to voting, although “forward” probably doesn’t fit for Penn – I think he is always looking backwards, and misses 2000, and 2004, and probably 1984.
Hey, I’ve been paying attention while you folks have been celebrating…The Congressional Black Caucus storming the tea party demonstrators and the Nevada Electrical Employees Union violence are just two examples…If you haven’t won on the issues ; defame the opposition. Tried and true Lib-ploys.
i don’t mind the census. but do they really need my names,thought it was about numbers. o i forgot they need to cross check the voter registration to see who is registered as what. so they know how to give the money to to states with the most of thier party. irs already knows where i live,isn’t that enough.
Sooky Rottweiler says;
Puppy, my old friend old Hercules (sixteen years old, even older than his son 14-y-o young Hercules), the conspiracy theorist, says we shouldn’t eat the green milkhbones…soylent green for and from dogs!
Sooky Rottweiler says;
I know! That’s what that conspiracy theorist old Hercules says (the dog who thinks there’s an evil one-world government controlling all fire hydrants)
Motivemagus about 14 years ago
Not what they mean by “fill in the blank.”
WarBush about 14 years ago
Michele Bachmann’s rants at work.
oneoldhat about 14 years ago
ask a japanesse- american in 1941 what they think about the 1940 census
kennethcwarren64 about 14 years ago
Ler’s see - The Far Right believes that Obama is not an American, that he hates white people, that he is a Muslin, that he and the DEMS are plotting to turn America into a Socalist State, that thousands of scientist from all over the world have spent the last 20 years coming up with false studies on Global Warming in a conspiracy to (?), that they need their guns because “The Government Is Coming After Them”, and the Census is proof that Big Government is on it’s way.
And to these people the GOP says: “Come on in, you’re our kind of people, vote for us and everything will be Okay. If you’re against it, were against it.”
WarBush about 14 years ago
@wbr They are gonna tell you, “You crazy Americans.”
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Put the paper on his forehead, no potential for damage from the shot.
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Just spoke to an old friend last Friday who was born in a concentration camp- in Idaho in 1944. She knows the purpose of the census to distribute funds to the states, and the Constitutional requirement. While the memory of her parent’s internment, and injustice toward them, brought a tear to her eye, she is still not paranoid about “government”.
It is those who are making the most volatile and whining noise today who seem LEAST informed of what “government” actually means in a Republic.
MurphyHerself about 14 years ago
^^^^Trout, too funny. Indeed, more damage to the foot.
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 14 years ago
it would be better for him if he shot himself in the brain, that kind of folks don’t have any!
lonecat about 14 years ago
Further self-indulgent thoughts on why one Leftie doesn’t always think that Big Government is a Good Thing:
I wasn’t quite of an age to join the Civil Rights movement, but I paid a lot of attention to it at the time, a few years later I got to know some of the people who had worked in Mississippi, and since then I have read extensively about the movement. As I’ve said in previous posts (on Toles), the system of racial oppression had been maintained by all three branches of the government at all three levels; only in the mid-fifties was there the beginning of a shift in the position of the Federal government. This shift, however, did not originate with any level of the government; it was pushed by the actions of citizens outside the usual framework of government.
It would have been easy to dedice that government was the problem. And indeed I developed a certain suspicion of government, though I still thought that the New Deal proved the value of certain kinds of government intervention. As I observed and thought it seemed to me that the government was only reflecting deeper social forces. The laws which maintained the racist system were largely a codification of the interests of a dominant group. The fundamental problem was not the law or the government, but the social forces which were codified in the law and the government. Change had to come from below, and then that change then had to be codified in better laws. As it happened, those better laws, or better interpretations of laws, occurred mostly at the Federal level, but as a result of action at the local level. The whole process was complex and probably unique to a particular situation. In this situation, at least, government at the local and state level was Not A Good Thing, while the federal government could sometimes be forced to be Good Thing. But then the war in Vietnam started to heat up, and the whole picture changed.
NoFearPup about 14 years ago
Folks are mad: so some have hit upon the easiest, although very unwise way to express their dis-satisfaction.
Now look at the anti-Protest hype and rhetoric coming out of the Lib-camp; look at all that “rascism and violence” bleeep, that’s just dangerous…I hope conservatives do not fall for their race-baiting. Guys and Gals, we still live in a Representative Republic; we can register our protest in November. I’m actually looking forward to my vote now, after a long-time of being apathetic!
Motivemagus about 14 years ago
conservatives fall for liberal race-baiting? HA!
kennethcwarren64 about 14 years ago
Penn doesn’t sound like someone who is apathetic.
But I believe he is looking forward to voting, although “forward” probably doesn’t fit for Penn – I think he is always looking backwards, and misses 2000, and 2004, and probably 1984.
NoFearPup about 14 years ago
Hey, I’ve been paying attention while you folks have been celebrating…The Congressional Black Caucus storming the tea party demonstrators and the Nevada Electrical Employees Union violence are just two examples…If you haven’t won on the issues ; defame the opposition. Tried and true Lib-ploys.
comYics about 14 years ago
Don’t take part olfart…..don’t pay taxes and don’t get bills, sounds like a swell idea.
4uk4ata about 14 years ago
“The Congressional Black Caucus storming the tea party demonstrators”
Considering the size of a regular demonstration, that would be a “storm” to put the charge of the light brigade to shame :) .
halfabug about 14 years ago
i don’t mind the census. but do they really need my names,thought it was about numbers. o i forgot they need to cross check the voter registration to see who is registered as what. so they know how to give the money to to states with the most of thier party. irs already knows where i live,isn’t that enough.
treered about 14 years ago
fill out the census form! each form mailed in is one less trip a census worker has to make, so mailing them in saves $$!
halfabug about 14 years ago
i did fill it out,never said i didn’t
4uk4ata about 14 years ago
So… you are not voting for democrats because of an anonymous internet Democrat sympathizer?
Ken, are you on the Dem ticket for anywhere?
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 14 years ago
Sooky Rottweiler says; Puppy, my old friend old Hercules (sixteen years old, even older than his son 14-y-o young Hercules), the conspiracy theorist, says we shouldn’t eat the green milkhbones…soylent green for and from dogs!
CorosiveFrog Premium Member about 14 years ago
Sooky Rottweiler says; I know! That’s what that conspiracy theorist old Hercules says (the dog who thinks there’s an evil one-world government controlling all fire hydrants)