The GOP doesn’t care, the posters who support the GOP don’t care.
I can understand why the GOP wants back into power – that’s where the power and money is – but I can’t understand why the posters (unless they are very, very rich, and if they are why waste time postering here, do what the rich do, buy a big house, a yatch, and an a Congressman), want the GOP back into power.
The GOP couldn’t protect us against terrorist, couldn’t save the economy, couldn’t find Bin Laden, couldn’t keep corporatons from sending jobs overseas, couldn’t (and didn’t) keep government from growing, couldn’t win any wars, and couldn’t fix education.
And the Dems are better how? Government has grown exponentially with them in power. We now have the largest debt in our history. If we continue like this, we’ll have so much debt we won’t be able to pay even the interest on it. The federal govt now has controlling interest in banks, stock trading, housing, and they’re trying to take over health care. If they take that over too, where will free enterprise be? There soon won’t be ANY.
Reagan expanded govt and spending, but what he did set up the Clinton Admin. to be able to take credit for a budget surplus. Bush II squandered it, but this bunch of “leaders” has only expanded every part of govt. to become hugely bloated, more controlling of more of the economy, and more willing to “steal from the rich and give to the poor”. Why do people feel the federal government is there to support them? The purpose of a unified federal government is for general (said country wide) protection, to ensure equality and consistency to all citizens and allow commerce among and within the 50 States. Nowhere in there does it say “take care of” people. Entitlement programs only foster less self worth and desire to succeed and serve to perpetuate themselves (for the sake of those running them and at the detriment of those supporting them……those who actually PAY taxes). The Speaker of the House comes for a State that is bankrupt and she’s trying to do the same thing to the entire country. And this is good how?
On war, Obama hasn’t done what he promised he would. We’re still in both countries just as we were, we’re sending MORE people to Afghanistan as we speak, Bin Laden is nowhere to be found, relations with Israel are at an all time low, terrorism continues to prosper, and our “security” in this country is a flat out joke. We’re no more safe now than we were under Bush II.
Healthcare is fraught with multiple layers of oversight that compete against each other and bloat the system, physicians are losing reimbursement and leaving the profession, ER’s are overcrowded to such an extent they can’t take care of those who really need it, and we’re holding the Mayo Clinic up as a gold standard for the rest of the system. They overcharge and overtest and have actually CUT what they do for people who don’t have the money. Is that the gold standard we want?
The Dems went after credit card companies. What did those companies do ahead of the legislation going into effect? They raised EVERYONE’S rates to almost 25%! That sure helped!
Tell me again how Obama will be our savior? Tell me again why the Dems should stay in power and continue to amass more wealth and control of my life? Tell me again why I should pay more money to the Federal govt. to take care of other people who choose not to get a job (because the welfare system pays more and allows them to NOT work)? Tell me, when will we be out of the two wars we’re in? Weren’t we supposed to be pulling out and done with them in the very near future? Like that’s going to really happen.
“Reagan expanded govt and spending, but what he did set up the Clinton Admin. to be able to take credit for a budget surplus. ”
Dude, considering how Reagan almost tripled the debt in 8 years, and it continued growing steadily during the Bush Sr. years (basically quadrupling in the 1980-1992 period), your claim is practically absurd. Obama is blasted because of prognoses that in 10 years the debt would double - do you see somewhat of a double standard here?
If the Clinton administration benefitted from anything, it was Bush Sr’s decision to publicly raise taxes despite their promise, which helped Clinton when he raised taxes on the top income brackets in turn. If you are saying that some hypothetical “structure” Reagan set took effect after some 8 years, I’ll have to call you out on that.
In the end, Clinton increased tax revenues and kept spending within tolerable limits, that is why deficit wasn’t such a big problem then.
I don’t follow politics all that closely, but I think you might need to pay less attention to pundits. The US government does what its citizens elect it to do, as long as this is within the Constitution - not only if it is written there.
“On war, Obama hasn’t done what he promised he would. We’re still in both countries just as we were, we’re sending MORE people to Afghanistan as we speak.
Yeah, he’s been stalling somewhat on getting out of Iraq, and that’s about it. Did you listen to his speeches on Afghanistan, anyway? Both during his campaign and afterwards he said that he WOULD send more people in Afghanistan.
“relations with Israel are at an all time low,”
Eh, I’d say they might have been lower during late 70s and before - once upon a time, I heard, administrations might have occasionally expressed disagreement with Tel Aviv’s policies without getting the diplomatic equivalent of a middle finger first. If that’s the all time low, anyway, so what? Carter’s administration was able to broker Israel’s first peace treaty with a neighbor, Egypt. If that’s anything to go by, another “all time low” might be quite good for everyone involved. How do you expect the US to be able to do anything about a negotiation where it is perceived to be blindly biased towards one side, anyway?
“terrorism continues to prosper, and our “security” in this country is a flat out joke. We’re no more safe now than we were under Bush II.”
Well, Bush II did quite a bit in the name of “security” (you think all that stuff about homeland security was just as per the Constitution), so if he did no better, shame on him.
macman ends with a fallacy that underscores the fallacies of his entire rant. Obama as “savior?” Ha! No one ever said he was. Only Republicans ever said that because they want us to think WE thought he was some messiah.
Health Care overhaul as it is now is nowhere near what it should be, but it’s the best we’re going to get for the moment. Can’t anyone grasp the concept of getting part of it right for now, then going back to fix it more later?
The whole War, Terrorism rant is also absurd. It’s a whole lot easier to start an unwarranted war than it is to extricate oneself from it. You can’t just undo all the damage you’ve inflicted and say, “Whoops, sorry about that.” Now that we’ve created a mess, we have to stay long enough to correct some of it and not punish the people in country who stuck with us.
And one of the main reasons terrorism is so much bigger is because of Bush II – his insane approach did more for growing Al Qaida than anything bin Laden could have done by himself.
“And the Dems are better how? Government has grown exponentially with them in power”
Government has grown when both are in power. Republicans preach small government but they are not about it. You can’t enforce bans on civil liberties by being a small government, and make no mistake Republicans do not care about civil liberties. Heck, just a couple of weeks ago we lost our discrimination protections and had threats to be removed from school by Republicans here in good ol’ VA. And on the National level it’s the same story.
I you can’t afford Health insurance, you probably don’t have an estate.
@d-legendary1: Yes, under the Bush administration government grew tremendously, and he out spent all the previous administrations, combined.
Since January of last year, that is to say in one year, the Obama administration has outspent all the previous administrations combined, and he has 3-7 more years to go.
Reagan + Bush 41 brought a 400% increase in the debt. Under Clinton it went up 24%- Bush 43 more than doubled it again, and remember, we’re now in Trillions, not the billions Reagan “inherited”. I watched government, especially appointed FEDERAL government increase hugely under Reagan/Bush 41, level off under Clinton, then climb again under 43. Those are just the real numbers.
Iraq was a totally unnecessary mess BUSH started. Afghanistan should have been just against the AlQaeda camps, and left the (granted bad) government in place. Now we’re in lousy mess there, and current efforts to work with the populace, which DOES require support troops, is making more progress than under nearly 8 years of Bush. It’s a mess with no “good” way out, but we’re doing better at it.
@Tigger - That is a frightening prospect. I fear for what few civil rights I have left.
“The Democrats and Obama added $212 Billion to the Federal debt in the Month of February. The Most ever in the shortest time ever.”
News flash peeps, the debt increased the quickest in a MONTH. That OBVIOUSLY means you can predict 4+ years from it. What’d the CBO say? Oh, that if we’d kept up the same policies we’d been using the debt would be far higher than it is now? Right, Okay.
Complaining about one year in office and not a sound for the previous 8 incompetent years. It will take time to straighten that out and get people back to work.
kennethcwarren64 about 14 years ago
The GOP doesn’t care, the posters who support the GOP don’t care.
I can understand why the GOP wants back into power – that’s where the power and money is – but I can’t understand why the posters (unless they are very, very rich, and if they are why waste time postering here, do what the rich do, buy a big house, a yatch, and an a Congressman), want the GOP back into power.
The GOP couldn’t protect us against terrorist, couldn’t save the economy, couldn’t find Bin Laden, couldn’t keep corporatons from sending jobs overseas, couldn’t (and didn’t) keep government from growing, couldn’t win any wars, and couldn’t fix education.
magicman7 Premium Member about 14 years ago
And the Dems are better how? Government has grown exponentially with them in power. We now have the largest debt in our history. If we continue like this, we’ll have so much debt we won’t be able to pay even the interest on it. The federal govt now has controlling interest in banks, stock trading, housing, and they’re trying to take over health care. If they take that over too, where will free enterprise be? There soon won’t be ANY.
Reagan expanded govt and spending, but what he did set up the Clinton Admin. to be able to take credit for a budget surplus. Bush II squandered it, but this bunch of “leaders” has only expanded every part of govt. to become hugely bloated, more controlling of more of the economy, and more willing to “steal from the rich and give to the poor”. Why do people feel the federal government is there to support them? The purpose of a unified federal government is for general (said country wide) protection, to ensure equality and consistency to all citizens and allow commerce among and within the 50 States. Nowhere in there does it say “take care of” people. Entitlement programs only foster less self worth and desire to succeed and serve to perpetuate themselves (for the sake of those running them and at the detriment of those supporting them……those who actually PAY taxes). The Speaker of the House comes for a State that is bankrupt and she’s trying to do the same thing to the entire country. And this is good how?
On war, Obama hasn’t done what he promised he would. We’re still in both countries just as we were, we’re sending MORE people to Afghanistan as we speak, Bin Laden is nowhere to be found, relations with Israel are at an all time low, terrorism continues to prosper, and our “security” in this country is a flat out joke. We’re no more safe now than we were under Bush II.
Healthcare is fraught with multiple layers of oversight that compete against each other and bloat the system, physicians are losing reimbursement and leaving the profession, ER’s are overcrowded to such an extent they can’t take care of those who really need it, and we’re holding the Mayo Clinic up as a gold standard for the rest of the system. They overcharge and overtest and have actually CUT what they do for people who don’t have the money. Is that the gold standard we want?
The Dems went after credit card companies. What did those companies do ahead of the legislation going into effect? They raised EVERYONE’S rates to almost 25%! That sure helped!
Tell me again how Obama will be our savior? Tell me again why the Dems should stay in power and continue to amass more wealth and control of my life? Tell me again why I should pay more money to the Federal govt. to take care of other people who choose not to get a job (because the welfare system pays more and allows them to NOT work)? Tell me, when will we be out of the two wars we’re in? Weren’t we supposed to be pulling out and done with them in the very near future? Like that’s going to really happen.
4uk4ata about 14 years ago
“Reagan expanded govt and spending, but what he did set up the Clinton Admin. to be able to take credit for a budget surplus. ”
Dude, considering how Reagan almost tripled the debt in 8 years, and it continued growing steadily during the Bush Sr. years (basically quadrupling in the 1980-1992 period), your claim is practically absurd. Obama is blasted because of prognoses that in 10 years the debt would double - do you see somewhat of a double standard here?
If the Clinton administration benefitted from anything, it was Bush Sr’s decision to publicly raise taxes despite their promise, which helped Clinton when he raised taxes on the top income brackets in turn. If you are saying that some hypothetical “structure” Reagan set took effect after some 8 years, I’ll have to call you out on that.
In the end, Clinton increased tax revenues and kept spending within tolerable limits, that is why deficit wasn’t such a big problem then.
I don’t follow politics all that closely, but I think you might need to pay less attention to pundits. The US government does what its citizens elect it to do, as long as this is within the Constitution - not only if it is written there.
“On war, Obama hasn’t done what he promised he would. We’re still in both countries just as we were, we’re sending MORE people to Afghanistan as we speak.
Yeah, he’s been stalling somewhat on getting out of Iraq, and that’s about it. Did you listen to his speeches on Afghanistan, anyway? Both during his campaign and afterwards he said that he WOULD send more people in Afghanistan.
“relations with Israel are at an all time low,”
Eh, I’d say they might have been lower during late 70s and before - once upon a time, I heard, administrations might have occasionally expressed disagreement with Tel Aviv’s policies without getting the diplomatic equivalent of a middle finger first. If that’s the all time low, anyway, so what? Carter’s administration was able to broker Israel’s first peace treaty with a neighbor, Egypt. If that’s anything to go by, another “all time low” might be quite good for everyone involved. How do you expect the US to be able to do anything about a negotiation where it is perceived to be blindly biased towards one side, anyway?
“terrorism continues to prosper, and our “security” in this country is a flat out joke. We’re no more safe now than we were under Bush II.”
Well, Bush II did quite a bit in the name of “security” (you think all that stuff about homeland security was just as per the Constitution), so if he did no better, shame on him.
cdward about 14 years ago
macman ends with a fallacy that underscores the fallacies of his entire rant. Obama as “savior?” Ha! No one ever said he was. Only Republicans ever said that because they want us to think WE thought he was some messiah.
Health Care overhaul as it is now is nowhere near what it should be, but it’s the best we’re going to get for the moment. Can’t anyone grasp the concept of getting part of it right for now, then going back to fix it more later?
The whole War, Terrorism rant is also absurd. It’s a whole lot easier to start an unwarranted war than it is to extricate oneself from it. You can’t just undo all the damage you’ve inflicted and say, “Whoops, sorry about that.” Now that we’ve created a mess, we have to stay long enough to correct some of it and not punish the people in country who stuck with us.
And one of the main reasons terrorism is so much bigger is because of Bush II – his insane approach did more for growing Al Qaida than anything bin Laden could have done by himself.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
“And the Dems are better how? Government has grown exponentially with them in power”
Government has grown when both are in power. Republicans preach small government but they are not about it. You can’t enforce bans on civil liberties by being a small government, and make no mistake Republicans do not care about civil liberties. Heck, just a couple of weeks ago we lost our discrimination protections and had threats to be removed from school by Republicans here in good ol’ VA. And on the National level it’s the same story.d_legendary1 about 14 years ago
Didn’t the last 8 years grow government by 30%?
POPPA1956 about 14 years ago
I you can’t afford Health insurance, you probably don’t have an estate.
@d-legendary1: Yes, under the Bush administration government grew tremendously, and he out spent all the previous administrations, combined. Since January of last year, that is to say in one year, the Obama administration has outspent all the previous administrations combined, and he has 3-7 more years to go.
Dtroutma about 14 years ago
Reagan + Bush 41 brought a 400% increase in the debt. Under Clinton it went up 24%- Bush 43 more than doubled it again, and remember, we’re now in Trillions, not the billions Reagan “inherited”. I watched government, especially appointed FEDERAL government increase hugely under Reagan/Bush 41, level off under Clinton, then climb again under 43. Those are just the real numbers.
Iraq was a totally unnecessary mess BUSH started. Afghanistan should have been just against the AlQaeda camps, and left the (granted bad) government in place. Now we’re in lousy mess there, and current efforts to work with the populace, which DOES require support troops, is making more progress than under nearly 8 years of Bush. It’s a mess with no “good” way out, but we’re doing better at it.
Jaedabee Premium Member about 14 years ago
@Tigger - That is a frightening prospect. I fear for what few civil rights I have left.
“The Democrats and Obama added $212 Billion to the Federal debt in the Month of February. The Most ever in the shortest time ever.”
News flash peeps, the debt increased the quickest in a MONTH. That OBVIOUSLY means you can predict 4+ years from it. What’d the CBO say? Oh, that if we’d kept up the same policies we’d been using the debt would be far higher than it is now? Right, Okay.Justice22 about 14 years ago
Complaining about one year in office and not a sound for the previous 8 incompetent years. It will take time to straighten that out and get people back to work.