Has anyone else grasped that Voila is still acceptably Italian? I know its technically french-rooted, but they have the same pronoun under-base. They lack the same cultural uptake, but…
The “badabing” phrasing is associated with Italian-Americans, not actually Italy or the Italian language.
I have never understood this “argument” … Like JPuzz says, Judaism is a religion…. and yes, you can say “I’m Jewish” if you practice it, even if you’re a convert from a non-Jewish lineage.
But the word has more than one meaning…. Being “Jewish” is also, in popular parlance, a cultural identity.Not a nationality…. Israeli is a nationality, but few Jews are Israeli.Not even an ethnicity, though a lot of us fall into a few ethnic groups, though they’ve been well diluted over the centuries by intermixing.
We may retain of lot of ethnic characteristics simply because Jews lived in may places but were not allowed to be “of” those places, and often preferred not to be anyway, and so carried forth the practices and even the appearance of their own ethnic groups….but some of us look Sephardic, others European, etc.The culture is widely spread, and ingrained. It varies somewhat through different ethnic groups…but whether or not you practice the religion, you absorb the culture, the ethos, the identity.Jewish law says you are Jewish if your mother was Jewish….but many offspring of Jewish fathers feel Jewish as well…and I will not say they’re not.I do not practice the Jewish faith, but bits of it are a part of me, as my grandparents raised my parents, or tried to, in that faith. The Jewish culture is the one in which I was raised, and has seeped into me from day one.It seems, Horalka, that you’re saying I’m not a Jew.I beg to differ!
Susan, not doubting your religion, just curious what ethnicity you are, Israeli-Jew, German-Jew, Australian-Jew, Canadian-Jew, etc.When someone asks me my "background, I don’t just say “Christian” or “Catholic” I say I am Czech-American and by the way, I am catholic……oh well, Mom said never to discuss religion or politics!
Judaism can be thought of as being simultaneously a religion, a nationality and a culture.
Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.
Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
rubinocreative Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Anybody out there Italian?
SusanSunshine Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Jewish…. but it’s amazing sometimes how similar the cultures can be.
Marie Barone (Everybody Loves Raymond) could be one of my aunts.
tmt almost 10 years ago
@Tony RubinoNot Italian, but Finnish.
GROG Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Irish/English.
nosirrom almost 10 years ago
Badabing, Badaboom, I’m a Badaboy!
sbischof almost 10 years ago
Has anyone else grasped that Voila is still acceptably Italian? I know its technically french-rooted, but they have the same pronoun under-base. They lack the same cultural uptake, but…
The “badabing” phrasing is associated with Italian-Americans, not actually Italy or the Italian language.
Dani Rice almost 10 years ago
No Italian here. I’m German and Australian, Hubby is Welsh, Scots, and Cherokee.
wpr almost 10 years ago
I am. My mother’s family is Capponi. The old uncles had a lot of interesting stories for us when we were ids.
Mneedle almost 10 years ago
Jewish also…have a client who says that Jews and Italians are brothers. I agree.
Jkiss almost 10 years ago
I’m half Irish, 1/4 Sicilian, and 1/4 mix of English, German, Blackfoot and Scot-Irish.So yes.
jay_dallas almost 10 years ago
English / Swiss
Retired Dude almost 10 years ago
Sometimes I wish I were Italian. I heart the food.
DaveBNM almost 10 years ago
Bada Bing is a strip joint in NJ.
SusanSunshine Premium Member almost 10 years ago
Horalka et al…
I have never understood this “argument” … Like JPuzz says, Judaism is a religion…. and yes, you can say “I’m Jewish” if you practice it, even if you’re a convert from a non-Jewish lineage.
But the word has more than one meaning…. Being “Jewish” is also, in popular parlance, a cultural identity.Not a nationality…. Israeli is a nationality, but few Jews are Israeli.Not even an ethnicity, though a lot of us fall into a few ethnic groups, though they’ve been well diluted over the centuries by intermixing.
We may retain of lot of ethnic characteristics simply because Jews lived in may places but were not allowed to be “of” those places, and often preferred not to be anyway, and so carried forth the practices and even the appearance of their own ethnic groups….but some of us look Sephardic, others European, etc.The culture is widely spread, and ingrained. It varies somewhat through different ethnic groups…but whether or not you practice the religion, you absorb the culture, the ethos, the identity.Jewish law says you are Jewish if your mother was Jewish….but many offspring of Jewish fathers feel Jewish as well…and I will not say they’re not.I do not practice the Jewish faith, but bits of it are a part of me, as my grandparents raised my parents, or tried to, in that faith. The Jewish culture is the one in which I was raised, and has seeped into me from day one.It seems, Horalka, that you’re saying I’m not a Jew.I beg to differ!
zman111666 almost 10 years ago
I think it’s funny that no one pointed out that badabing is the verbal vocalization of the rim shot on a drum set.
veranna almost 10 years ago
Susan, not doubting your religion, just curious what ethnicity you are, Israeli-Jew, German-Jew, Australian-Jew, Canadian-Jew, etc.When someone asks me my "background, I don’t just say “Christian” or “Catholic” I say I am Czech-American and by the way, I am catholic……oh well, Mom said never to discuss religion or politics!
veranna almost 10 years ago
okay, but still, a religion. nationality implies where you come from, not what religion you practice.
veranna almost 10 years ago
Judaism can be thought of as being simultaneously a religion, a nationality and a culture.
Throughout the middle ages and into the 20th century, most of the European world agreed that Jews constituted a distinct nation. This concept of nation does not require that a nation have either a territory nor a government, but rather, it identifies, as a nation any distinct group of people with a common language and culture. Only in the 19th century did it become common to assume that each nation should have its own distinct government; this is the political philosophy of nationalism. In fact, Jews had a remarkable degree of self-government until the 19th century. So long as Jews lived in their ghettos, they were allowed to collect their own taxes, run their own courts, and otherwise behave as citizens of a landless and distinctly second-class Jewish nation.
Of course, Judaism is a religion, and it is this religion that forms the central element of the Jewish culture that binds Jews together as a nation. It is the religion that defines foods as being kosher and non-kosher, and this underlies Jewish cuisine. It is the religion that sets the calendar of Jewish feast and fast days, and it is the religion that has preserved the Hebrew language.
Is Judaism an ethnicity? In short, not any more. Although Judaism arose out of a single ethnicity in the Middle East, there have always been conversions into and out of the religion. Thus, there are those who may have been ethnically part of the original group who are no longer part of Judaism, and those of other ethnic groups who have converted into Judaism.
If you are referring to a nation in the sense of race, Judaism is not a nation. People are free to convert into Judaism; once converted, they are considered the same as if they were born Jewish. This is not true for a race.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewnation.html