^Uncle Joe" It became moot in less than 24 hours after I hit ‘Nam, but I tried to get CO status and fly with a dustoff unit in ’Nam that went out unarmed, and had something like a 93% casualty rate. The ONLY support i got was from the Society of Friends ((Quakers). Which, the Army’s “test” was, if someone was going to kill your friends, and you, would you fight back. My answer was that I saw suicide as also a violation of my ethics, and that I merely wanted to be in a medivac unit where the situation wouldn’t arise. The Captain screamed that was cowardly! (He, btw, never left the states as he had “political connections”, gee, just like “W”!)
War teaches many things, including the fact that being anti-war, especially stupid, wrong-headed ones, is NOT the same as “pacifist”. When actually attacked, defense is actually the key element of martial arts, which is why so many Buddhists DO practice “martial arts” as DEFENSE, note aggession!
“Good thing we saved Iraq from Saddam’s brutality.” More precisely, too bad Obama surrendered Iraq and gave it back to the same Islamic terrorists.
The leftist “logic” (like that of Nick Anderson and the Houston Chronicle) is basically, Bush took us into a war I didn’t approve of, therefore every mistake made by others after he left is Bush’s fault. Six years later, everything is still Bush’s fault.
I hope Obama is smart enough to get us out of the entire Middle East . We didn’t “break it in the first place”, as many of those who advocate American participation claim. Middle Eastern society has been broken for longer than the United States has existed. In the history of that region, peace has been a rare situation, always imposed by a government strong enough to prevent people who would otherwise be shooting (or throwing spears at) each other from doing so. It can’t be any different when the majority of people would shoot each other over religious differences that would be considered trivial by anyone who had any education that involved more than one book. And, those who are uneducated are convenient tools to gain power for those few who are not, which provides encouragement to keep them uneducated.
But the saying " the enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not apply in this case. Each side is our enemy. We are “infidels”, making us more “killable” to each side than the other side and going over there to interfere is of no value to the American people. We need to simply stand back, allow them to manage their affairs however they would if we didn’t exist, and maybe in a few hundred years they will work it out. Once they realize that we have lost interest in them, perhaps they will return the favor and ignore us too. Killing each other is a more immediate goal.In those cases where we can infuse some actual education into the mix, that probably would be helpful— which is why they hate teachers more than soldiers. But military interference from America accomplishes nothing except creating hatred for our country, and leaving tanks, guns and bullets where they can be used to prolong the fighting. Granted, mutual hatred for America could bring the two sides together sooner than might otherwise be the case, to attack us, but that doesn’t seem to me to be a desirable outcome. Ultimately, each country belongs to the citizens of that country, and until they fix it themselves, it ain’t fixed.
pirate227 almost 10 years ago
Thanks, Dumbya!
moosemin almost 10 years ago
Didn’t someone say during the Viet Nam war, that “to save the village, it was necessary to destroy it” ?
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
My Lai – good “Christians” at work.
Dtroutma almost 10 years ago
^Uncle Joe" It became moot in less than 24 hours after I hit ‘Nam, but I tried to get CO status and fly with a dustoff unit in ’Nam that went out unarmed, and had something like a 93% casualty rate. The ONLY support i got was from the Society of Friends ((Quakers). Which, the Army’s “test” was, if someone was going to kill your friends, and you, would you fight back. My answer was that I saw suicide as also a violation of my ethics, and that I merely wanted to be in a medivac unit where the situation wouldn’t arise. The Captain screamed that was cowardly! (He, btw, never left the states as he had “political connections”, gee, just like “W”!)
War teaches many things, including the fact that being anti-war, especially stupid, wrong-headed ones, is NOT the same as “pacifist”. When actually attacked, defense is actually the key element of martial arts, which is why so many Buddhists DO practice “martial arts” as DEFENSE, note aggession!
moosemin almost 10 years ago
And his name is?
TexasLynn Premium Member almost 10 years ago
“Good thing we saved Iraq from Saddam’s brutality.” More precisely, too bad Obama surrendered Iraq and gave it back to the same Islamic terrorists.
The leftist “logic” (like that of Nick Anderson and the Houston Chronicle) is basically, Bush took us into a war I didn’t approve of, therefore every mistake made by others after he left is Bush’s fault. Six years later, everything is still Bush’s fault.
#ObamaIncompetent
Diane Lee Premium Member almost 10 years ago
I hope Obama is smart enough to get us out of the entire Middle East . We didn’t “break it in the first place”, as many of those who advocate American participation claim. Middle Eastern society has been broken for longer than the United States has existed. In the history of that region, peace has been a rare situation, always imposed by a government strong enough to prevent people who would otherwise be shooting (or throwing spears at) each other from doing so. It can’t be any different when the majority of people would shoot each other over religious differences that would be considered trivial by anyone who had any education that involved more than one book. And, those who are uneducated are convenient tools to gain power for those few who are not, which provides encouragement to keep them uneducated.
But the saying " the enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not apply in this case. Each side is our enemy. We are “infidels”, making us more “killable” to each side than the other side and going over there to interfere is of no value to the American people. We need to simply stand back, allow them to manage their affairs however they would if we didn’t exist, and maybe in a few hundred years they will work it out. Once they realize that we have lost interest in them, perhaps they will return the favor and ignore us too. Killing each other is a more immediate goal.In those cases where we can infuse some actual education into the mix, that probably would be helpful— which is why they hate teachers more than soldiers. But military interference from America accomplishes nothing except creating hatred for our country, and leaving tanks, guns and bullets where they can be used to prolong the fighting. Granted, mutual hatred for America could bring the two sides together sooner than might otherwise be the case, to attack us, but that doesn’t seem to me to be a desirable outcome. Ultimately, each country belongs to the citizens of that country, and until they fix it themselves, it ain’t fixed.lindz.coop Premium Member almost 10 years ago
The gift that keeps on giving…:(