Yes Neocon, you have such a clever grasp on the nature of our countries political structure. As you know, this is a republic and not a democracy for starters. I must say, President Obama has not aquitted himself well if he were really trying to give the impression of this ‘rule-by-the-people silliness’.
Kill health reform? Gee, I hope not, at least until I can get cosmetic surgery to make me more viable to the ladies.
Now lets take another look at this Neo. Universal health care will be available to everyone, right? Does everyone have to pay also? Hmmmmmm, if you say yes, well, pay what? What health care costs, what they can afford, or what they want to pay? At least you are not spouting about President Bush, one year out of office, but our FOUNDING FATHERS who had such an ‘archaic’ view of the world after all.
Hey, first thing first: congratulations to Mr. Brown. I hope he serves the people of Massachusetts and the United States in general with wisdom, honor and integrity.
With that out of the way., and as for the cartoon: yeah right.… let me think. In one state, one Republican got elected due to a plethora of issues, on the local and the federal level, and that means the voters, everywhere, don’t want any health care reform?
By the same logic, since voters elected so many Democrats, including Obama himself, the last several elections do want healthcare reform. And they want it, obviously, more.
Of course, the Democrats are worried. They may have to either endure the fillibusters and all the rest that the Republicans throw their way, or give up on the bill . Knowing that some of them aren’t exactly known for their iron backbone, they are in trouble. But hey, the president’s party faring poorly in midterm elections is nothing new. It was obvious that with Democratic president, they can’t run only on “But I’m against Bush!”
Bottom line, we’ll see what happens. But if healthcare reform gets sunk, it will be because of politics and ads, no substance.
The following is from Rassmussen survey, the article is from January 18th (http://tinyurl.com/kwqzrs) .
“While most Americans oppose the overall plan, two reforms in it are supported by more than 70% of the public – creating a new national insurance exchange and requiring health insurance companies to accept applicants with pre-existing conditions. Other parts of the plan are popular as well. Still, polling data released two weeks ago showed that reminding voters of what’s in the plan does not increase support for it.
One problem faced by advocates of the plan is the cost. When it comes to paying for the plan, voters are okay with taxing the rich but strongly reject cuts in Medicare and excise taxes on “Cadillac” health plans provided by employers.
Adding to concerns about paying for the plan is the fact that 78% of voters expect it to cost more than projected. Voters overwhelmingly believe passage of the plan will increase the federal deficit and lead to middle-class tax hikes.”
So people, by and large, WANT reform. They don’t necessarily like the bill they are getting (although imo some of them for the wrong reasons), but that doesn’t meant they don’t want A bill. It might also mean - and imo does - that the Dems and their supporters are doing a lousy job either a) persuading people or b) making the bill people want.
Of course, it could also be that the guys with the trumpets are the Republicans and the lobbies.
One of two Senate seats in the state, in a special election to fill the unfinished term, means the whole nation suddenly went Republican and therefore will vote for NOTHING intended for the good of the people? Well, the right-wing in the press, and here, would have us believe that.
jqmcd over 14 years ago
The people (of MA) have spoken… and they said “Actually, we like getting screwed out of our health care by corporate interests…”
johndh123 over 14 years ago
NeoconMan said, 34 minutes ago
Yes Neocon, you have such a clever grasp on the nature of our countries political structure. As you know, this is a republic and not a democracy for starters. I must say, President Obama has not aquitted himself well if he were really trying to give the impression of this ‘rule-by-the-people silliness’. Kill health reform? Gee, I hope not, at least until I can get cosmetic surgery to make me more viable to the ladies. Now lets take another look at this Neo. Universal health care will be available to everyone, right? Does everyone have to pay also? Hmmmmmm, if you say yes, well, pay what? What health care costs, what they can afford, or what they want to pay? At least you are not spouting about President Bush, one year out of office, but our FOUNDING FATHERS who had such an ‘archaic’ view of the world after all.
4uk4ata over 14 years ago
Hey, first thing first: congratulations to Mr. Brown. I hope he serves the people of Massachusetts and the United States in general with wisdom, honor and integrity.
With that out of the way., and as for the cartoon: yeah right.… let me think. In one state, one Republican got elected due to a plethora of issues, on the local and the federal level, and that means the voters, everywhere, don’t want any health care reform?
By the same logic, since voters elected so many Democrats, including Obama himself, the last several elections do want healthcare reform. And they want it, obviously, more.
Of course, the Democrats are worried. They may have to either endure the fillibusters and all the rest that the Republicans throw their way, or give up on the bill . Knowing that some of them aren’t exactly known for their iron backbone, they are in trouble. But hey, the president’s party faring poorly in midterm elections is nothing new. It was obvious that with Democratic president, they can’t run only on “But I’m against Bush!”
Bottom line, we’ll see what happens. But if healthcare reform gets sunk, it will be because of politics and ads, no substance.
The following is from Rassmussen survey, the article is from January 18th (http://tinyurl.com/kwqzrs) .
“While most Americans oppose the overall plan, two reforms in it are supported by more than 70% of the public – creating a new national insurance exchange and requiring health insurance companies to accept applicants with pre-existing conditions. Other parts of the plan are popular as well. Still, polling data released two weeks ago showed that reminding voters of what’s in the plan does not increase support for it.
One problem faced by advocates of the plan is the cost. When it comes to paying for the plan, voters are okay with taxing the rich but strongly reject cuts in Medicare and excise taxes on “Cadillac” health plans provided by employers. Adding to concerns about paying for the plan is the fact that 78% of voters expect it to cost more than projected. Voters overwhelmingly believe passage of the plan will increase the federal deficit and lead to middle-class tax hikes.”
So people, by and large, WANT reform. They don’t necessarily like the bill they are getting (although imo some of them for the wrong reasons), but that doesn’t meant they don’t want A bill. It might also mean - and imo does - that the Dems and their supporters are doing a lousy job either a) persuading people or b) making the bill people want.
Of course, it could also be that the guys with the trumpets are the Republicans and the lobbies.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
One of two Senate seats in the state, in a special election to fill the unfinished term, means the whole nation suddenly went Republican and therefore will vote for NOTHING intended for the good of the people? Well, the right-wing in the press, and here, would have us believe that.
Magnaut over 14 years ago
NOT A GOP VICTORY……THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED COAKLEY OPPOSE THE GOP AS WELL
petergrt over 14 years ago
Dear lefties, liberals and progressives:
If you think that this election was local, you are being seriously delusional.
It was all about 0bama’s agenda in general, and about the ‘health-care reform’ in particular.
Everyone involved made it so, but especially 0bama - pleading in MA for help with his agenda.
treered over 14 years ago
from men in black, “…People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it…” and we prove it very time the GOP wins… sigh…
d_legendary1 over 14 years ago
I’m not so sure about that fennec. Forcing people to buy insurance may be great for cars but not for healthcare.
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