I actually grew up next door to someone who exhibited the behavior you describe. When she was panicked or otherwise overly excited, she was no longer able to think clearly. She set in to panic mode and was unable to control her actions. It was extremely difficult to calm her down when she got into that state.Years latter, she completely lost control and started assaulting a friend at an amusement park and the bystanders trying to stop her. The police were called and managed to subdue her without shooting her.
Even trained police hit their targets (in real life situations) no more than 34% of the time. That means they MISS — and potentially hit someone else — 66% of the time. Now, how much better do you think it would be with AMATEURS running around with guns thinking they are “good guys with a gun?”
A guy stopped at a local gas station. He went inside and paid.While he was pumping gas, cops looked up the license on the car, and saw that it was stolen.He jumped in the car, backed into the unmarked cop car, and drove forward.The cops shot at the moving car, which ended up in a shallow retention pond.Since no one was hurt, the story didn’t make the TV news, even though one of the news teams showed up soon after.
a nc cop killed an unarmed man after that man was involved in a single-car auto accident, crawled out of the rear windshield, and knocked on the door at the nearest house. homeowner, was scared thinking it might be a home invasion and called the cops. 2 cops arrived. 1st cop attempted at tasering, but failed. so, the second cop shot 12 times, hit 10 at the man who just survived an auto accident. he needed to shoot 12 times? north carolina, where they suppress the vote and kill you if you get into an auto accident.
Back in my college days (1950s), I could use the ROTC rifle range with my target pistol and could score between 7 and 8 on a ten-spot rifle target. This was using the old one-hand duelist stance. I once tried a fast-draw and not one bullet hit the paper, much less any target. Now consider if I had tried it running. Would I have been able to get all shots into the backstop? That is what our militarized, shoot first, cover up second, police are doing, and the movie-brainwashed public lets them.
I agree with “Motivemagnus” for very good reason: I’ve been shot at, and returned fire, in combat. I’ve also seen locally where TWO cops who can shoot near perfect PPC scores, empty THREE magazines at a guy, standing 20 feet away, and never hit him, after they’d been shot at. He ended up shooting himself, while they shot up a gas station, and a car lot across the street!
If all a person has ever done is shoot paper, they may indeed be good. I can shoot as well as Molon states, with a 2 inch Ruger LCR, but, in a REAL situation of exchanging fire, It is my combat, not range, experience that makes me know I CAN hit another PERSON when it “hits the fan”!
Starting pay for NYC police officers is almost 47K per year plus a great benefits package. After 5 years they can make over 90k per annum. Underpaid? Really?? I think they are paid to take risks and should not be able to shoot first, and verify later. Officers choose the job, they are not drafted.
_The officer is being charged with manslaughter because he was caught on his own camera putting 10 of 12 shots into this unarmed guy’s torso. _Sounds like the cop was more “panicked” than the guy he shot. Or, maybe he had the misguided thought that dead men don’t sue.
We “amateurs” practice more.A few do. Most don’t because ammo ain’t cheap. Poll our fellows here if you don’t believe me. The government can afford to buy huge amounts of ammo, but in this economy most of us can’t.I have had a heart attack, triple bypass surgery, and have diabetes. I am too slow to run. I walk with a cane.OH MY GOD!! I bet you’re going to keep driving until you have a near death experience, too.I can’t fight, I can’t run, but if I have to, I’ll just kill you.Probably over $7 & some Kohl’s Cash.Ok, I apologize. That was mean. But, from the sounds of things, you would do better by exercising good judgement about when & where you go alone. Yeah, it’s not fair. If you think it’s unreasonable that there are some places, that at some times, you really should avoid, try being a woman.
A target range is not the same as a truly dangerous situation. Sorry, not comparable. Case in point: stress hormones would double your heart rate, increase your blood pressure, and potentially cause your hand to tremble. Furthermore, highly aroused emotion inhibits performance markedly — in a sense, emotion drives out thought. (That’s the Yerkes-Dodson Law, circa 1908, so not a new thing.)So instead of a trained, thoughtful person aiming carefully, what you are more likely to be is a rattled, trembling easily startled person who pulls too fast and misses wildly, which reaction would then increase the stress, both from the sound of the gun, the awareness that you have alerted the shooter, and anger at missing.So, no. Unless you practice shooting in high-stress combat situations, you are NOT, repeat NOT more likely to do better. That, by the way, is known as “state-dependent learning.” Trained soldiers in battle often don’t do better than one out of 20 with automatic weapons — don’t fool yourself.
Uncle Joe: you see my point, as does MM: first time shot at, up close: totally sucked at first!! it was that adrenalin flow that overcame “training”. Second time, calmer. After it became somewhat routine? As Palladin once said I believe on “Have Gun Will Travel”, and seen elsewhere, it’s not how fast you shoot, but how ACCURATELY!
BTW, that’s not to say that a “pucker factor” isn’t always there, you just learn to control it. But only experience provides that.
Which, it’s interesting also how many vets come out of combat and get into “adrenalin” recreational activities, rock climbing, sky diving, white water rafting, parasailing, SCUBA, racing cars or motorcycles, and pursue careers like firefighting, EMT, or law enforcement, where adrenaline junkies can function in roles they “serve” as well, and actually, relax.
The guy just survived a terrible accident, probably wasn’t thinking clearly and you better believe his skin color had something to do with his being shot dead.
I spent 11 years in NC, couldn’t wait to leave.Oh, and I am black.
Jason Allen over 10 years ago
I actually grew up next door to someone who exhibited the behavior you describe. When she was panicked or otherwise overly excited, she was no longer able to think clearly. She set in to panic mode and was unable to control her actions. It was extremely difficult to calm her down when she got into that state.Years latter, she completely lost control and started assaulting a friend at an amusement park and the bystanders trying to stop her. The police were called and managed to subdue her without shooting her.
Motivemagus over 10 years ago
Even trained police hit their targets (in real life situations) no more than 34% of the time. That means they MISS — and potentially hit someone else — 66% of the time. Now, how much better do you think it would be with AMATEURS running around with guns thinking they are “good guys with a gun?”
rockngolfer over 10 years ago
A guy stopped at a local gas station. He went inside and paid.While he was pumping gas, cops looked up the license on the car, and saw that it was stolen.He jumped in the car, backed into the unmarked cop car, and drove forward.The cops shot at the moving car, which ended up in a shallow retention pond.Since no one was hurt, the story didn’t make the TV news, even though one of the news teams showed up soon after.
d_legendary1 over 10 years ago
So you agree that police officers are underpaid?
vwdualnomand over 10 years ago
a nc cop killed an unarmed man after that man was involved in a single-car auto accident, crawled out of the rear windshield, and knocked on the door at the nearest house. homeowner, was scared thinking it might be a home invasion and called the cops. 2 cops arrived. 1st cop attempted at tasering, but failed. so, the second cop shot 12 times, hit 10 at the man who just survived an auto accident. he needed to shoot 12 times? north carolina, where they suppress the vote and kill you if you get into an auto accident.
hippogriff over 10 years ago
Back in my college days (1950s), I could use the ROTC rifle range with my target pistol and could score between 7 and 8 on a ten-spot rifle target. This was using the old one-hand duelist stance. I once tried a fast-draw and not one bullet hit the paper, much less any target. Now consider if I had tried it running. Would I have been able to get all shots into the backstop? That is what our militarized, shoot first, cover up second, police are doing, and the movie-brainwashed public lets them.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
I agree with “Motivemagnus” for very good reason: I’ve been shot at, and returned fire, in combat. I’ve also seen locally where TWO cops who can shoot near perfect PPC scores, empty THREE magazines at a guy, standing 20 feet away, and never hit him, after they’d been shot at. He ended up shooting himself, while they shot up a gas station, and a car lot across the street!
If all a person has ever done is shoot paper, they may indeed be good. I can shoot as well as Molon states, with a 2 inch Ruger LCR, but, in a REAL situation of exchanging fire, It is my combat, not range, experience that makes me know I CAN hit another PERSON when it “hits the fan”!
TIMH over 10 years ago
Starting pay for NYC police officers is almost 47K per year plus a great benefits package. After 5 years they can make over 90k per annum. Underpaid? Really?? I think they are paid to take risks and should not be able to shoot first, and verify later. Officers choose the job, they are not drafted.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 10 years ago
_The officer is being charged with manslaughter because he was caught on his own camera putting 10 of 12 shots into this unarmed guy’s torso. _Sounds like the cop was more “panicked” than the guy he shot. Or, maybe he had the misguided thought that dead men don’t sue.
Uncle Joe Premium Member over 10 years ago
We “amateurs” practice more.A few do. Most don’t because ammo ain’t cheap. Poll our fellows here if you don’t believe me. The government can afford to buy huge amounts of ammo, but in this economy most of us can’t.I have had a heart attack, triple bypass surgery, and have diabetes. I am too slow to run. I walk with a cane.OH MY GOD!! I bet you’re going to keep driving until you have a near death experience, too.I can’t fight, I can’t run, but if I have to, I’ll just kill you.Probably over $7 & some Kohl’s Cash.Ok, I apologize. That was mean. But, from the sounds of things, you would do better by exercising good judgement about when & where you go alone. Yeah, it’s not fair. If you think it’s unreasonable that there are some places, that at some times, you really should avoid, try being a woman.
Motivemagus over 10 years ago
A target range is not the same as a truly dangerous situation. Sorry, not comparable. Case in point: stress hormones would double your heart rate, increase your blood pressure, and potentially cause your hand to tremble. Furthermore, highly aroused emotion inhibits performance markedly — in a sense, emotion drives out thought. (That’s the Yerkes-Dodson Law, circa 1908, so not a new thing.)So instead of a trained, thoughtful person aiming carefully, what you are more likely to be is a rattled, trembling easily startled person who pulls too fast and misses wildly, which reaction would then increase the stress, both from the sound of the gun, the awareness that you have alerted the shooter, and anger at missing.So, no. Unless you practice shooting in high-stress combat situations, you are NOT, repeat NOT more likely to do better. That, by the way, is known as “state-dependent learning.” Trained soldiers in battle often don’t do better than one out of 20 with automatic weapons — don’t fool yourself.
Dtroutma over 10 years ago
Uncle Joe: you see my point, as does MM: first time shot at, up close: totally sucked at first!! it was that adrenalin flow that overcame “training”. Second time, calmer. After it became somewhat routine? As Palladin once said I believe on “Have Gun Will Travel”, and seen elsewhere, it’s not how fast you shoot, but how ACCURATELY!
BTW, that’s not to say that a “pucker factor” isn’t always there, you just learn to control it. But only experience provides that.
Which, it’s interesting also how many vets come out of combat and get into “adrenalin” recreational activities, rock climbing, sky diving, white water rafting, parasailing, SCUBA, racing cars or motorcycles, and pursue careers like firefighting, EMT, or law enforcement, where adrenaline junkies can function in roles they “serve” as well, and actually, relax.
pirate227 over 10 years ago
The guy just survived a terrible accident, probably wasn’t thinking clearly and you better believe his skin color had something to do with his being shot dead.
I spent 11 years in NC, couldn’t wait to leave.Oh, and I am black.