People who don’t live in NYC are the ones making all the noise about this. The only people here who care are the fast food and soda industries. The delis and mom-and-pops would’ve made MORE money selling MORE smaller sodas.
The question is, how to we avoid having to pick up the tab for the fattie who shows up at the ER with a heart attack. We could force everybody to have health insurance, but the Republicans are still fighting that.
REALLY??? You are insulting republicans for being angry when it isn’t even a partisan cartoon? You who posts angry insulting remarks on a daily basis? Angry? Seriously, think about what you are saying…
Welcome to idiocracy folks. The most disturbing point is that this is being pushed by a mayor. No mayor should have that much power. What’s next, mayors get to make a “kill list” and use drones?
I have a libertarian solution. Saves money too. If the chubbett’s want to become morbidly obese, and then they develop all the traditional ailments that go with it, the government gives them a diet book and a gym membership subsidized by 50%. Saves billions in health care costs and satisfies societies need to feel like they are helping them. Satisfies the freedom of choice for the individual and a responsible action on the part of government without excessive cost or regulation.
The cup size thing was rather silly, but maybe there is a cost saving issue, Mickey. No medical treatment for anyone who comes to the ER morbidly obese, unless they pay, in cash, in advance of treatment or even admission.
At the same time, a large number of the morbidly obese ARE low-income folks who buy “cheap stuff” that is mostly junk prepared foods even at supermarkets, let alone “fast food” franchises.
When I told my doc a few months ago I needed to lose weight, both my “regular” and VA docs said i should look at those around me. I did, and even in my “extremely conservative” community- roughly 30% are morbidly obese, and another 40+% are “overweight” at a level higher than I was. I did lose 30 pounds, feel better, blood glucose down, exercising more, and just eating LESS, not necessarily a change in what i eat. (Though most of what I cook IS “from scratch”)
Which, a friend years ago who was morbidly obese, and having “knee problems” confessed her biggest problem was that whenever she wasn’t talking, she was shoving food in her mouth. My niece had bariatric surgery, lost 190 pounds, more than I weighed at my heaviest, and confessed her problem was the same prior to surgery. It IS how MUCH you eat, not just “what you eat”.
As I mentioned elsewhere yesterday, about a year ago I did a paper on this issue for one of my college classes.[]The gist of it was that the key issue concerning fast food & obesity was “proper education”, not fear-mongering and blind laws. In fact, one of the key pieces of material in the debate, the film “Super-Size Me”, was inherently meaningless because the documentarian failed to keep any sort of record of what he supposedly ate, invalidating the film from an academic perspective (no record = nobody can verify his calorie count or what he even supposedly ate).[]If anything, school lunches play a bigger part in the war on childhood obesity than McDonald’s does.
Yep. []In contrast, during my research I found two people who claimed to have lost weight via eating at McDonald’s and had some sort of record to prove that they ate there.[]One was a documentarian who IIRC followed a modified version of the Atkins Diet (he did eventually order everything off of the menu just to say that he did) and kept a log book with receipts.[]The other went for healthy substitutions (like tea or coffee instead of soda and side salads instead of fries) and kept the wrappers as proof of what he ate.
Chillbilly about 11 years ago
People who don’t live in NYC are the ones making all the noise about this. The only people here who care are the fast food and soda industries. The delis and mom-and-pops would’ve made MORE money selling MORE smaller sodas.
pdchapin about 11 years ago
The question is, how to we avoid having to pick up the tab for the fattie who shows up at the ER with a heart attack. We could force everybody to have health insurance, but the Republicans are still fighting that.
echoraven about 11 years ago
uhhh…. there is probably plenty of sugar in that Kool Aid that you slam back so passionately.
nanellen about 11 years ago
Actually, there are more fat dems -at least here among my acquaintances, that is true.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
“a bunch of angry bird brains.”
REALLY??? You are insulting republicans for being angry when it isn’t even a partisan cartoon? You who posts angry insulting remarks on a daily basis? Angry? Seriously, think about what you are saying…
rabidhunter about 11 years ago
Welcome to idiocracy folks. The most disturbing point is that this is being pushed by a mayor. No mayor should have that much power. What’s next, mayors get to make a “kill list” and use drones?
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
I have a libertarian solution. Saves money too. If the chubbett’s want to become morbidly obese, and then they develop all the traditional ailments that go with it, the government gives them a diet book and a gym membership subsidized by 50%. Saves billions in health care costs and satisfies societies need to feel like they are helping them. Satisfies the freedom of choice for the individual and a responsible action on the part of government without excessive cost or regulation.
Dtroutma about 11 years ago
The cup size thing was rather silly, but maybe there is a cost saving issue, Mickey. No medical treatment for anyone who comes to the ER morbidly obese, unless they pay, in cash, in advance of treatment or even admission.
At the same time, a large number of the morbidly obese ARE low-income folks who buy “cheap stuff” that is mostly junk prepared foods even at supermarkets, let alone “fast food” franchises.
When I told my doc a few months ago I needed to lose weight, both my “regular” and VA docs said i should look at those around me. I did, and even in my “extremely conservative” community- roughly 30% are morbidly obese, and another 40+% are “overweight” at a level higher than I was. I did lose 30 pounds, feel better, blood glucose down, exercising more, and just eating LESS, not necessarily a change in what i eat. (Though most of what I cook IS “from scratch”)
Which, a friend years ago who was morbidly obese, and having “knee problems” confessed her biggest problem was that whenever she wasn’t talking, she was shoving food in her mouth. My niece had bariatric surgery, lost 190 pounds, more than I weighed at my heaviest, and confessed her problem was the same prior to surgery. It IS how MUCH you eat, not just “what you eat”.
Ironhold about 11 years ago
As I mentioned elsewhere yesterday, about a year ago I did a paper on this issue for one of my college classes.[]The gist of it was that the key issue concerning fast food & obesity was “proper education”, not fear-mongering and blind laws. In fact, one of the key pieces of material in the debate, the film “Super-Size Me”, was inherently meaningless because the documentarian failed to keep any sort of record of what he supposedly ate, invalidating the film from an academic perspective (no record = nobody can verify his calorie count or what he even supposedly ate).[]If anything, school lunches play a bigger part in the war on childhood obesity than McDonald’s does.
Ironhold about 11 years ago
Yep. []In contrast, during my research I found two people who claimed to have lost weight via eating at McDonald’s and had some sort of record to prove that they ate there.[]One was a documentarian who IIRC followed a modified version of the Atkins Diet (he did eventually order everything off of the menu just to say that he did) and kept a log book with receipts.[]The other went for healthy substitutions (like tea or coffee instead of soda and side salads instead of fries) and kept the wrappers as proof of what he ate.