This is a perfect example of what I consider a problem with our society. We throw out these simplistic comments in the media, whether artistically or written and the finger pointing begins. Then of course our (GC or others) written comments continue the fray without elaboration and toss partisan talking points back and forth.
Here’s a thought: post your position or objection and then write something to support it. Keep that magic word “why” in the back of your mind. Kind of like the essay assignment you got in school. Shockingly enough, people will respond with intelligent discussion. Well, sometimes they will and that’s where you start to bring forth solutions to our problems rather than the rancorous exchange that often goes on in this forum.
It is ridiculously difficult to even VISIT this country. Yes, Bruce, there is a path to citizenship, but it is more complicated than it needs to be and is excluding people I think we want. If we modernized our approach to immigration, we could eliminate a lot of illegals overnight, and make those that remain much easier to block.
“Why should we post a link to voice our opinion? You, yourself rarely post links when you voice your opinion.”
Making a suggestion, stating your opinion is not quoting data. I almost always try to post links to what I have written when it involves statistics, history, law etc.
I remember this debate when Ronald Reagan was President.The legislature was supposed to let this one time ‘amnesty’ event occur under Mr. Reagan and then make it harder for illegals to find employment in the US and dissuade them from coming in illegally. ^Then Mr. Reagan left after his second term and the agricultural lobbies and other special interests who profit from underpaid workers convinced legislators to delay. States cried out when ‘honest’ employers were threatened with penalties for the ‘crime’ of hiring illegals^.And here we are thirty years later having inherited the damage done by dems and repubs politicians in the capital building and in state houses across the nation. But instead of FIXING the problem in the easiest possible fashion, penalties levied against people who hire illegals, the politicians play their games and blame everyone but them selves.^Reagan’s amnesty program is going to be reenacted in one form or another, but it is not the path to citizenship we should be debating, but the way to keep other illegals from finding it easy and/or profitable to make the journey into the USA without going through the legal channels. That will require employers be severely punished for not taking serious measures to confirm each new hire is here legally.^We should also consider giving college or trade school credits to Americans who are willing to do the back breaking work necessary to plant and harvest our food. Money is insufficient compensation for today’s youth, which is why farmers hire illegals. No one else will take the jobs.^@ mickey – very good posts and suggestions. anything that raises the debate makes finding options easier. Thank you for some great posts here.Respectfully,C.
A rereading of my post requires I clarify a bit. I support the dream act and even amnesty for people who have been here and have productive lives with no criminal offenses and children here. People whose children were born, raised, and have all their roots here are going to be more loyal to the USA than the many coming here to escape war, poverty, & discrimination.^But AFTER this next amnesty, we need to make the hiring, protection, and import of illegal aliens prohibitively punishable by penalties so harsh the possibility of getting caught is too scarey to make profits uninteresting, even miniscule, compared to the risk. ^Creating ids for temporary/migrant workers who are foreign nationals isn’t bad, but even though I have a pictured id, and a tax number for paying my taxes, I dislike a “your papers please” law. It seems unAmerican. That said, an intelligent plan must include measures to prevent Americans 30 years from now from having to deal with millions of illegal aliens and their born in the USA children who have not ties or even common language with the nations from which their parents came.^College/Trade School credit for young people working hard in fields could be good for our farms and our young people. It could create a new generation of farmers. But we need to keep our farms busy and we need to help young people with their educations. We also need to take away incentives for people to sneak into the USA to work.Respectfully,C.
rockngolfer about 11 years ago
Sums it up nicely.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
This is a perfect example of what I consider a problem with our society. We throw out these simplistic comments in the media, whether artistically or written and the finger pointing begins. Then of course our (GC or others) written comments continue the fray without elaboration and toss partisan talking points back and forth.
Here’s a thought: post your position or objection and then write something to support it. Keep that magic word “why” in the back of your mind. Kind of like the essay assignment you got in school. Shockingly enough, people will respond with intelligent discussion. Well, sometimes they will and that’s where you start to bring forth solutions to our problems rather than the rancorous exchange that often goes on in this forum.
Motivemagus about 11 years ago
It is ridiculously difficult to even VISIT this country. Yes, Bruce, there is a path to citizenship, but it is more complicated than it needs to be and is excluding people I think we want. If we modernized our approach to immigration, we could eliminate a lot of illegals overnight, and make those that remain much easier to block.
Rickapolis about 11 years ago
AND the road to recovery. The road to equality. The road to justice. The road to honor. The road to integrity. The road to …
pirate227 about 11 years ago
Nailed it!
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
“Why should we post a link to voice our opinion? You, yourself rarely post links when you voice your opinion.”
Making a suggestion, stating your opinion is not quoting data. I almost always try to post links to what I have written when it involves statistics, history, law etc.
Mickey 13 about 11 years ago
@braindead.
“So. The solution is to prosecute those who hire illegals.”
Obama stole your idea, but I question whether they have really pursued that energetically.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/us/politics/30raid.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
chazandru about 11 years ago
I remember this debate when Ronald Reagan was President.The legislature was supposed to let this one time ‘amnesty’ event occur under Mr. Reagan and then make it harder for illegals to find employment in the US and dissuade them from coming in illegally. ^Then Mr. Reagan left after his second term and the agricultural lobbies and other special interests who profit from underpaid workers convinced legislators to delay. States cried out when ‘honest’ employers were threatened with penalties for the ‘crime’ of hiring illegals^.And here we are thirty years later having inherited the damage done by dems and repubs politicians in the capital building and in state houses across the nation. But instead of FIXING the problem in the easiest possible fashion, penalties levied against people who hire illegals, the politicians play their games and blame everyone but them selves.^Reagan’s amnesty program is going to be reenacted in one form or another, but it is not the path to citizenship we should be debating, but the way to keep other illegals from finding it easy and/or profitable to make the journey into the USA without going through the legal channels. That will require employers be severely punished for not taking serious measures to confirm each new hire is here legally.^We should also consider giving college or trade school credits to Americans who are willing to do the back breaking work necessary to plant and harvest our food. Money is insufficient compensation for today’s youth, which is why farmers hire illegals. No one else will take the jobs.^@ mickey – very good posts and suggestions. anything that raises the debate makes finding options easier. Thank you for some great posts here.Respectfully,C.
chazandru about 11 years ago
A rereading of my post requires I clarify a bit. I support the dream act and even amnesty for people who have been here and have productive lives with no criminal offenses and children here. People whose children were born, raised, and have all their roots here are going to be more loyal to the USA than the many coming here to escape war, poverty, & discrimination.^But AFTER this next amnesty, we need to make the hiring, protection, and import of illegal aliens prohibitively punishable by penalties so harsh the possibility of getting caught is too scarey to make profits uninteresting, even miniscule, compared to the risk. ^Creating ids for temporary/migrant workers who are foreign nationals isn’t bad, but even though I have a pictured id, and a tax number for paying my taxes, I dislike a “your papers please” law. It seems unAmerican. That said, an intelligent plan must include measures to prevent Americans 30 years from now from having to deal with millions of illegal aliens and their born in the USA children who have not ties or even common language with the nations from which their parents came.^College/Trade School credit for young people working hard in fields could be good for our farms and our young people. It could create a new generation of farmers. But we need to keep our farms busy and we need to help young people with their educations. We also need to take away incentives for people to sneak into the USA to work.Respectfully,C.