Matt Davies for September 29, 2012

Pull our foreign aid, and military contracts, and support, and let him “float his own boat”, with NO backup!

If my neighbor was making a pipe bomb and said its his mission to blow up my house and kill my family meanwhile the cops (UN) say “not our problem”, then hell yes I’d be paying my neighbor a visit. And not with a plate of cookies.

Boobooby’s been hot to trot against Iran since at least 1992.

Professor Juan Cole: top myths about Iran’s nuclear program and its “threat” against Israel

I have a english translation of the Quo’ran given me by a friend. Christians, Jews, and Moslems all worship the God of Abraham. The story of Moses/Musa is nearly the same in both the old testament and the Quo’ran. Jesus is in Quo’ran as an important prophet/teacher. The 72 virgins is almost a joke since “heaven” is non sexual. The threat from radical moslems is equivalent to the threat from radical christians and jews. In Israel, there have been hundreds of attacks on stores that open on Sabbath and people who raise pigs for food. Moslems kill more moslems than Christians/Jews differentiating between Soofi, Suni, and the other I can’t recall, just as protestants and catholics did in Ireland and Europe. Then there are the Christians in Mississippi who, upon hearing a busload of “freedom riders” going from New York to New Orleans were passing by, rushed from their church with their Sunday finest on and children in tow to firebomb the blacks and jews in the bus.Blessed are the Peacemakers.C.

You want the closest thing to Neville Chamberlain? Try your hero, George Dubya Bush

Yeah…yeah, that’s what Condi Rice said, when she was pushing for the invasion of Iraq.

And how did THAT work out?.

It’s important to note that Bibi is Sabra, but educated in the U.S., thus his constant effort to influence U.S. politics, and emotional responses to his myths? Many Israelis DO want peace, and removal of the “settlements”, and a more legitimate existence among their neighbors. Netanyahu and his friends at AIPAC resent their presence and efforts toward peace.

The simple, real fact, is that the diaspora saw only a tiny minority population of “some folks” remain in Palestine (as named by Romans) until after WW I, that increased more after WW II, when the migration was actually made legal.

Arguing that the rightful occupants of a land, for millennia, have no rights, or that they even exist as a people, smacks of the very argument the nut in Iran uses, that is so condemned. The pot calling the kettle has for many years been a chamber pot.

It’s time to find peace, not more war.

Hows about you SHOW me one of those ’speaches instead of just expecting everyone to take for granted they exist ,because YOU said so?

And I mean the actual text of one of the actual speeches, not a REFERENCE to it in another rightwing blog no one ever heard of.

As for Dubya and Chamberlain.

Chamberlain cherry picked the intel he was given, discarding whatever didn’t fit his preconceived notions

So did Bush.

Chamberlain liked to act unilaterally, dictating his policies to his allies.

So did Bush

Chamberlain ignored the warnings he was given about Germany because he thought Russia was the larger threat

Dubya ignored the warnings he was given about al-Qaeda because he was more concerned with Iraq.

Chamberlain’s closest advisor was a NON-elected offical, with no portfoliio, who was not subject to any sort of scrutiny by Parliament. ( Sir Horace Wilson )

Bush’s closest advisor was a NON-elected offical, with no portfoliio, who was not subject to any sort of scrutiny by Congress ( Karl Rove )

And both of them served as their respective bosses hatchet men

I have a question for a our resident conservatives.

Let’ say, just for the sake of argument, that Romney gets elected, turns Bibi loose, and he bombs the Iranian nuclear facilities. What happens next?

Iran wasn’t an ally of Germany, pal. It was jointly occupied by the Brits, Americans, and Soviets druing WWII…used as a corridor to ferry supplies to the Russians.

“Palestine” is the original Canaan….land of idolators that rejected God for ages. God called Abram of the Chaldees to leave his family home and travel west to Canaan…and 3,000 years ago God made an unconditional Covenant with Abraham (new name given by God) and his offspring through Isaac and Jacob….for the entire land from the Nile river to the Euphrates….a land deed that is eternal, owned by the Hebrew people who came to be called Jews by the world.-Archaelogy has discovered vast numbers of relics that prove the Jews lived in that land for 3,000 years. That predates Islam by 2,300 years! The Muslim claims are false. That is why they keep Jews away from the Temple Mount; whatever the Muslims dig up they try to destroy, because it is evidence of Jewish occupation.-God would regather Israel, said Moses and other prophets in the Old Testament of the Bible. That is exactly what happened and God made it possible for the UN to recognize Israel as a legitimate STATE in 1947-1948.-The accusation that Jews (a number of whom always resided in the Land) are “occupying” Muslim lands… is easily proved false. The Arab Muslims were offered an EQUAL STATE in 1947 which they rejected. Let them live with that decision and stop babying their falsed claims.-Matt Davies might also have a “war fever” if he and his family and home district were sitting in the center of the target Iran has drawn on the Israelis.

Allow me to refrains:

And I mean the actual text of one of the actual speeches, not a REFERENCE to it in another rightwing blog no one ever heard of.

The same thing that happened last time, we have some peace for awhile till someone else apoligizes.

The attack on Iraq brought us PEACE?

Here are YOUR words:

You already know of many many speaches Obama has apoligized for Radical Islam

Show me where he did that! And again, lessee the actual text, not some obscure, loony right-wing blogger’s INTERPRETATION of the speech

Ishmael, actual first son of Abraham, and by some accounts, parent to the Arabs, was cheated of his inheritance, which would have been the lands of “Israel”. Islam has nothing to do with that, and the vast majority of Muslims today are NOT Arabs. The “red line” tracing the history of the Hebrews, then “Jews” is full of homicidal sociopaths like Joshua, shedding blood and stealing land until they were driven out in the first century, not to return in control for 18 centuries.

While no land area has been “peaceful” under any human occupancy, things were relatively calm in the Middle East around Palestine under even the Ottomans, then, in 1948 near constant war returned with, guess who?

Sorry, but claiming any “ownership” due to a book of myths written in self-intrest by a few “founders”, makes as much sense as saying Harry Potter left Hogwarts, to rightfully inherit all of Great Britain.

That’s it. Enough is enough. I hope that if Ahmadinejad acquires a nuclear bomb, you will be the first victim. If you don’t realize that Bibi is trying to stop an extremist madman from acquiring an nuke in order to destroy a civilization, then you’re not worth living.

CDowns: I find it interesting that the “original” Israel extended to the Euphrates, and some want to return to that. As to giving up land, the Arabian desert isn’t exactly the “promised land”, then they found OIL! IN the Americas, the “natives” were given the worst land the European immigrants could find in the desert, then when OIL was found under those lands, Washington said, “oops”, and tried to listen to all the “settlers” complaining about “them Indians” getting the oil revenue, and tried to steal them away.

The real issue is perhaps the U.S. has not kept a single treaty with the natives, and Bibi hasn’t either, and putting in those “exemptions” in every treaty they refuse the one major demand of the Palestinians, period.

@trout the liar…..Ishmael was the “illegal” son of an Egyptian maid who served Abraham’s wife, Sarah. Ishmael was not “cheated”….God blessed Hagar and Ishmael and promised his offspring (the Arabs) the lands they occupy.The area of Israel’s land was not deeded to the Ishmaelite Arabs. God’s covenant was with Abraham’s descendants through Isaac and Jacob.It is unmistakable in the Bible scriptures.And the Land of Israel is an eternal, unconditional covenant and God will bring it to pass and maintain it forever.

C Downs, also enjoy our conversations. I’ve quite a few history books as well, and there’s always that thing called “the library”! (spouse is a librarian) The histories of Egypt, from many authors, have shown a consistent provable record, that places much of that “biblical record” in question, to put it mildly. For example, “Moses” isn’t anywhere in the record, and the “Israelites” were barely noted as a small tribe, like so many others in the region.

Sharing an office with an archeologist for a couple decades, and working in the field with him, and others in the profession, kept producing some fascinating facts about the American west and southwest as well. From “religions”, to the impacts of climate change through history, the one thing that comes out most consistently is that devoting one’s “knowledge” to a single “source” is at best, ignorance. Bits and pieces, DO fit together from those multiple sources, for a more accurate understanding. Refusing to accept the conflicts in the data, and analyzing where those conflicts arise, ignores the fact that even “myths” are often based on facts, but are “interpreted” to please the “reader”. Such is the cause of most of the strife between religions, especially the “bible” religions and the multitude of “offshoot” sects and faiths.

@fritzoid….the Diaspora from 70 A.D. to the late 1800s was God’s plan, a temporary (compared to eternity beginning in 1948) punishment because with all the Torah prophecies about Messiah’s coming, and the miracles that proved Jesus of Nazarath was Messiah, the religious leaders of Israel rejected Him. -But God’s promised regathering from the entire earth began as Zionists returned to the Promised Land, and this final settlement in the Land is permanent….never again will God remove them or permit any enemy, even a World Army at Armageddon, to overcome or defeat Israel. God keeps His Word.

If you hit the nail, “it is God’s plan”. If you hit your thumb with the hammer, “It is God’s plan”. If a bear poops in the woods, “it is God’s plan”. HOWEVER, if the bear rips the door off, and poops in your Mercedes Benz, on the driver’s seat, please, please, tell me: “It’s God’s plan”.

You mean those Christians who are in America. There’s more than one religion that lives here, gent….