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Clay Bennett

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  1. Hawthorne

    Hawthorne said, over 1 year ago

    I sure hope he would replace it with actual skills testing. Of course, that would require skills instruction, which appears not to be forthcoming.

    Never mind …

  2. ARodney

    ARodney said, over 1 year ago

    I’d pay teachers enough so that we could hire the best people in their fields, and trust them to do their jobs. Test the kids maybe three times, in elementary, middle, and high school, but just let the teachers teach. It works great in the rest of the world. Here we just complain because they’re paid a poverty wage but have a retirement plan, and NO ONE should get a retirement plan!

  3. masterskrain

    masterskrain GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    “Calvin” once told his teacher, Miss Wormwood something like;
    “I have managed to remember this totally useless fact just long enough to answer a question on a test, and I will now totally forget it!”
    Sounds about right…

  4. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 1 year ago

    We test too much and we grade too much and we teach and learn too little.

  5. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    Standardized testing is not necessarily bad — how can you tell if someone has learned vocabulary or addition without testing? Also, an essay is part of the SATs.
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    Obviously, it’s not the be all and end all measurement of someone’s education. But, it’s the only one most people trust.
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    Even then, it wouldn’t be so bad if some teachers, administrators, and schools districts didn’t cheat for monetary reasons.
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    Not to mention how the ‘improvement’ is ‘proof’ that some politicians know how people should be educated.

  6. Kylop

    Kylop said, over 1 year ago

    @Debt Free

    Democrats and Republicans want kids to grow up and donate money to them. Teachers want kids to grow up and succeed. Corporations want slave labor.

  7. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, over 1 year ago

    It is possible to develop good and valid standardized tests (speaking as a PhD psychologist and expert in assessment), but that is not what is being done, because those are harder to develop. Instead, they are relying on the psychometric principles used for decades — without success.
    Ivy League schools haven’t used the SAT for years now. There’s a reason.

  8. lonecat

    lonecat said, over 1 year ago

    @motivemagus

    When I was young I was part of an experimental educational program and as part of that I was tested and tested and tested and tested. I have no idea what they found out from the tests. I do know this — I happen to test well, while my sister happens to test badly. There’s no particular difference in our abilities, she just doesn’t test well. Now she’s written thirteen books, and she’s generally regarded as one of the chief authorities in her area. She thinks well and she writes well, but I bet she still wouldn’t test well. I sometimes feel that what a test tests is how well you do on the test. But maybe my experience has made me excessively cynical.

  9. Bruce4671

    Bruce4671 said, over 1 year ago

    I’m sure the standard test people are all well intentioned. However, when you have a “standard” level to accomplish and the object is to propel everyone across that goal then you tend to teach to the standard.

    Eventually, the test is modified so that the “lowest common denominator” will “pass”.

    So the “exceptional” student is bored and distracted and held back and the LCD is not “taught” but rather taught the answers to the standard test questions.

    The why is as important as the how.

    AND, some people just need to learn a trade. We need to bring back apprenticeships and put honor back in trade schools.

  10. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, over 1 year ago

    @Tigger

    ‘What will you replace Standardized Testing with?’
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    A valid question, IMO. How can someone be assessed on their education level/ achievement?
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    But, motivemagus (above this post) says that it can be done, only it’s hard.
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    That implies that there is real laziness on the part of those who develop the tests and that effective tests could be developed.
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    BTW, I am very much in favor of a significant (not excessive) amount of required memorization, because it teaches kids how to memorize. And, the information tends to stick for a long time. That kind of learning is something that can be tested and it’s not too hard to make tests that are accurate.

  11. Quipss

    Quipss said, over 1 year ago

    @Debt Free

    Hence America’s continued drop in sciences, mathematics and all that snobby stuff since the 80’s.
    Neither party has done particularly well, STEM fields remain in low supply, the cost of education has remained universally high.
    trying to get people once again interested in these fields might be the best start, its kind of hard to try to get most kids interested in quadratics and algebra when most of them have no idea why they are learning.
    I personally like the idea of having a direct branch block as 1 of 8 classes from grade 3 onward, by direct branch that may mean attempting to be able to do programming in 4 years, or attempting to cover the field of quantum physics in the same amount of time, to learn to sympathize and work with chemicals focusing on current and predicted industrial practices.
    as of the present most of these wait till you are in university or if lucky you can take AP programs in grade 12, By which point most people have decided their interests.
    It would be a steep difficulty curve. the program itself should be based on improvements, with the thought that an improvement from 40-60% would be impressive versus punished.

    ( this can also be summarized as making low test scores better by giving actual challenge
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    The current system of standardized testing would harshly penalize any school attempting to genuinely challenge the students in a way that could lead them to branch into advanced fields
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    Additionally for a much more moderate education reform one could simply base teacher pay / cuts and school board budget increase / cuts would be to base things off of improvement in grades versus the grades, in other words a teacher whom takes a class from 60% on tests to 70% should be paid more than one whom gets the class from 75% to 76%

  12. MortyForTyrant

    MortyForTyrant said, over 1 year ago

    Just to learn about the size of the problem i took an on-line standardized test (from Alabama IIRC). It was meant to be for 8th graders and at first glance it looked to be for 8th graders. But when you actually read the questions it became clear it was for 4th graders or even below. Let me dream up an example:

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    “Rancher Jennings has 117 cows, He wants to divide them among his three sons (17, 21 and 33) so that each son gets proportionally the amount of cows according to his age”.

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    One would expect the question to be “How many cows does each son get?”. But in these tests I’ve seen the question would have been “What is the name of the farmer?”. And THAT’S the problem with the U.S. education system…

  13. Bandusia15

    Bandusia15 said, over 1 year ago

    @masterskrain

    I did that all the way through university and got my degree. It was easier to do in school and got harder the older I got.

  14. Sara Farris

    Sara Farris said, over 1 year ago

    “With what should we replace standardized testing?” is not a good question. ST is akin to a disease in our schools; when your doctor removes a tumor, you do not expect to go home with diabetes as a replacement, you just go back to healthy living, or, in this case, educating. Or I can answer your question another way: replace ST with books. That, after all, is what we got rid of to make room for the tumor.

  15. Sara Farris

    Sara Farris said, over 1 year ago

    And no, the ST people are not well intended; they’re feeding at a big ol tax-funded trough.

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