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Tony Auth for February 22, 2011

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    myming  almost 11 years ago

    evil; harmful; injurious: a malevolent inclination to destroy the happiness of others. there are NO antonyms beginning w/ M-A-L-E that mean anything “positive”.

    see any message here ? why not start running some intellegent, non-biased women to run ?

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    Bubba_Boo Premium Member almost 11 years ago

    Private enterprise has been screwing the middle class for 20 years. Now the government wants to join the club.

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    Doughfoot  almost 11 years ago

    Government exists to provide protection to property and people with property. Period. Thus the GOP will stand by the useful govt operations: the military, intelligence, security, and police forces. And as long as firefighters (protectors of property) vote GOP, they can keep their union, too.

    Unions that are mostly black, democratic, or female have to go. These people have to put in their places. Rights are for those who can pay for them. The glorious free market requires that rights go to the highest bidder.

    Make no mistake: this has NOTHING to do with saving money or fixing the Wisconsin budget. The unions offered to make financial concessions and the shortfalls in the budget are due to tax cuts Walker himself put in place. Walker was elected to cut spending, true.

    Walker is like a father who first buys himself a shiny new sports car (he ‘needed it’ for work) and then tells his wife they ‘can’t afford’ the things she wants, and took a job to pay for, like sending the kids to summer camp or providing them music lessons, or even buying them winter coats or shoes.

    Those who have lost their jobs and their rights are now being whipped up against those who have managed to hang onto theirs, instead of against those who took their jobs and rights. Divide and conquer.

    Welcome to the new Amerika.

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    cdward  almost 11 years ago

    ^Yes, but you missed the point. You can balance a budget in many ways. Raising taxes (or eliminating the tax cuts) on those whose incomes have increased exponentially in comparison with those in the unions – usually because of laws created by those very people – is a valid way to create that balanced budget.

    As the preacher said to his rich congregation: I have good news, and I have bad news. The good news is, we have plenty of money to fund our Food Pantry. The bad news is, it’s still in your pockets.

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    beenthere41  almost 11 years ago

    ^And that’s exactly the point. The real question is do you want to keep your money in your pocket, or give it to the state to redistribute your wealth. And don’t be deceived, raising taxes on only the rich is not sufficient. Until taxes on everyone are increased, there will continually be the attitude expressed in so many of these posts: “I want my free lunch”. And there is no such thing. When a state must balance the budget, look to eliminate the waste and abuse, and that is exactly what is happening in Wisconsin.

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    RunninOnEmpty  almost 11 years ago

    beenthere41: Given that you’re right - hypothetically - the numbers support that taxing the rich 1% won’t be enough, we still want to see some sacrifice on the part of those who aren’t being squeezed out of the middle class before we hear any more about shared sacrifice. Instead, the ruling class continues to enjoy historic boom times.

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    Justice22  almost 11 years ago

    ^ That’s right. We’d have eliminate the tax cuts on the top 2% of the wealthiest plus close the loopholes in overseas income.

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    AdmNaismith  almost 11 years ago

    The Unions did not break the financial system around the world. The Unions did not create and nurture the real estate bubble that forced us to give welfare to AIG and all the rest. The Unions did not all merge and take businesses that were too larger to fail and make banks that are now too big to exist. The Unions did not bust up mfg companies, sell off the equipment and ship all the jobs overseas. Mott Romney did. Th Unions did what they are supposed to do- protect workers against govt and management that would like to see them starve in the streets before paying a fair wage providing for a worker’s future. Wisconson’s problems are on their own head, the Unions did not create their financial mess.

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    SaltWaterCroc  almost 11 years ago

    The Wisconsin deficit was caused because the governor gave tax breaks to businesses. I still don’t see what eliminating collective bargaining has to do with eliminating the deficit, particularly when the unions have agreed to the changes in pay and benefits.

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    Justice22  almost 11 years ago

    Bruce,,, I am a retiree under civil service. I paid up to three times what someone paid at that time into Social Security yet SS pays more than I get in retirement annuity. I draw 17% of what SS said I would get from them.

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    Dtroutma  almost 11 years ago

    Who knew that La Cosa Nostra would one day be called “conservatives”?

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    Jaedabee Premium Member almost 11 years ago

    There’s plenty of money in ceasing government subsidies to churches. Y’know, since everyone needs to tighten their belts.

    According to Politifact the Wisconsin deficit was not caused by tax breaks but those tax breaks will balloon the deficit in the next 2 years. On the other hand, Unions have made about $200 - $300 million in concessions but wanted to maintain their bargaining rights, and that was turned down, so there is indeed an ideological attack on unions here.

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    DjGuardian  almost 11 years ago

    I understand the point of Tony… but technically that’s not a union. Just to be fair.

    And I would also agree that there is an ideological attack on unions. I think that would be fair to surmise. I don’t wholeheartedly have a problem with that. But a fact is a fact, for better or for worse.

    And just for clarity, and joke purposes… So justice, are you saying that we SHOULD trust government and what they say? heh.

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    DjGuardian  almost 11 years ago

    The Irony is that union leaders are some of the fattest cats on the sofa. Just saying.

    I actually respect union members though. I completely understand the desire. I just don’t think most act in wisdom.

    As far as the attack on unions… personally, I would simply limit it to gov’t unions (minus police & fire). Leave the private unions to their own devices. Technically that is what Walker is doing since he can’t influence private unions. Much like many government programs require reform (i.e., health care… whether pre or post ObamaCare), so to do the unions.

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    tcolkett  almost 11 years ago

    The big contradiction though is that he reduced taxes first, building up the deficit by reducing revenue, and then decided the state employees needed to give up their collective bargaining rights even though they’ve agreed to the reduction in pay and benefits that Walker wants! If you can’t see through that smokescreen, you ain’t looking close enough!!!

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    walruscarver2000  almost 11 years ago

    When the right wing takes complete control

    http://failblog.org/2011/02/20/epic-fail-photos-probably-bad-news-ban-on-farting-fail/

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    Jaedabee Premium Member almost 11 years ago

    “The Irony is that union leaders are some of the fattest cats on the sofa. Just saying.”

    If we’re not going to fleece the other fat cats, though, it’s really just the pot calling the kettle black. They’re both black. It’s just who’s getting shielded.
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    DamYankee22  almost 11 years ago

    The hypocrisy of the WI governor is breathtaking. Just like W and Boehner. And Limbaugh.

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    Bluejayz  almost 11 years ago

    DJGuardian, so get rid of the union fat cats’ limos and big bonuses along with all the other ultra-rich. But why attack the working men and women if you’re upset with the top 2%? Tax the top 2% - Union or non.

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    walruscarver2000  almost 11 years ago

    churchy, we’ve had this agrument before. Churchill was not always right, and neither was FDR. There was only one guy who was always right and they crucified him. But then he had it coming with all that liberal talk about taking care of others and sharing and stuff like that.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member almost 11 years ago

    “FDR, patron saint of the American left, August 16, 1937

    Parties switched platforms around the mid 1960s.
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