We might address the entire concept of comparing last years morbidity factors with this year. At best we’re going to get a direct Covid-19 correlation. Any other correlation would be statistically suspect.
Let’s use hyperbole to make the point. Let’s state (for argument) that due to an earthquake 1,000 people died during the month of May 2019 in a specific area. This year, May 2020 due to a massive flood 1,500 people died. Does that mean only 500 people died from the flood?
No, there is no relevance, no cause and effect, no correlation, zero relationship. Two totally different events with unrelated results.
So comparing last year’s morbidity rates with this year will only indicate morbidity rates… not the cause of morbidity. This is a basic teaching of statistical analysis… and is where most armchair statisticians mess up in evaluating cause and effect. Such is an extremely common error, but an error nevertheless.
This repeated debate over whether Covid-19 death rates are accurate or not seems to me without purpose. Unless someone is trying to deny that Covid-19 is fatal… it would seem a biased argument— the kind of propaganda that “no-maskers” would present to try to rationalize their arguments that masks aren’t necessary.
The reality is that Covid-19 has a morbidity rate, it is measurable, and if one manages to survive it (the majority do), it can still leave victims with permanent disability. This debating over exact percentages strikes me as rather pointless. It might be of some interest to professionals in the field who have to deal with Covid-19 directly, but to the rest of us the bottom-line point is: do our best to try to not contract Covid-19.
Or am I missing something here? ; )
Actually, what that “You shall have no other God but Me, for I am a Jealous God” proves is that, in Moses Time, the Jews were Polytheistic. Because, if there were Only One God, Jehova would have nothing to be Jealous about.
Dictionary.com shows six meanings for the word “jealous”. Interestingly the sixth it applies directly to Biblical application: “Intolerant of unfaithfulness or rivalry”. This is not a wrongful or irrational jealousy, but is in regard to a valid relationship and promise. What Israel’s God was “jealous” of was their relationship with Him, not the existence of some stone statue that humans labeled as a “god”.
An illustration could be used of a husband and his wife. Him being jealous, in this context, doesn’t mean she has other husbands. It means he will not tolerate her turning her romantic attention to another, or breaking of wedding vows. This jealousy does not make theirs a “polygamous” marriage. The marriage is monogamous. His jealousy in this context, insists that it remain that way.
The undeniable reality that false gods exist does not make them true gods, nor Jews or Christians either one “polytheistic”. Scripture is clear that there is “one True God”. Twisting the concept of polytheism to ones own purpose does not alter reality of doctrine.
Theseus, I know you are earnest in your response, but there is so much there that requires so much explanation, I simply don’t have the time to address it all. However, I’ll address one point:
" I mean come on, love your neighbour like yourself is just plain stupid. Why would I love an absolute prick for example, or what if he steals from me."
You take this far too universally and without moderation. Jesus also taught “Love your enemies” and “If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn also to him your left.” That doesn’t mean let some jerk punch you senseless.
Many people have difficulty understanding any of that… but it’s not because Jesus was stupid. It’s because many people always put themselves before others.
Consider: Let’s say your neighbor is a jerk. If instead of treating him badly, you treat that neighbor with respect, help him in distress, and show love in whatever manner is reasonable… maybe that person will learn from your example and change his ways. Maybe he’ll wind up being a better person.
In modern-language terms this is called “taking the high road”… not stooping to the level of those around us. Jesus telling us to “love our enemies” can result in that person no longer being an enemy. It can result in them becoming a good friend. I know this as truth from personal experience.
“Love your neighbor” is far from a stupid concept. Not doing so creates problems.
Is this going to work in every instance? No. Jesus was teaching us a basic life lesson: that it’s better to deal with others kindly. “Do not return evil for evil.”
So no, the statement isn’t “stupid”. It does require some thought and humility to understand what Jesus was talking about. The same holds true for every other point you made. To learn the lessons of scripture, we must first be willing to learn, realizing that our existing knowledge and wisdom is very limited. If one doesn’t admit that, then understanding will not come.
So many good points you make. I don’t totally agree with all of them, but that’s what makes for good discussion. :D
In scripture there are two definitions of “god”: THE God (YHWH), and gods (which can apply to anyone of power or authority). So could Satan be “a god”? Jesus referred to him as “the god of this world” (ungodly humanity. I’m not sure if Judaism accepts Jesus’ teachings or not.)
The OT says very little about Satan. It’s not void of such however, and always speaks of Satan in terms of evil and being opposed to God. It never refers to him as cooperating with God or doing God’s will. He was a rebellious angel, just as Adam and Eve were rebellious humans. All had free will. None were robots, controlled by God.
Regarding the “carnate God”, at one time I did extensive research on that very subject and wrote a rather detailed paper regarding scriptural position. In the examination of “Christian” religions I found no less than three different “brands” of the Trinity, and two types of Monotheism. Bottom line: it was very obvious religious denominations did not agree with one another even as to the nature of God. Among mainstream Christianity, the nature of Jesus is a hotly-debated topic. As you correctly state, “after Paul and Christianity split with the Jews, they never accepted a human god as part of a Trinity”. That is historically accurate, and your reference to Constantine factually valid. These are historic realities most “Christians” are totally unaware of. They don’t even read the Bible, much less research history.
Which is why as you’re aware, I tell people regularly: “Don’t confuse mainstream religion with the Bible and God”. A religion can’t claim to be Christian while teaching traditional dogma contrary to scripture.
Admit it, Pet Rocks were really, really stupid.
Weather Rocks now… them there things was awesome. And they really worked! :D
If you’re kidding, good sarcasm. If you’re not kidding… /me looks at ceiling and shuffles papers…
That is a very interesting chart Wagner. Without additional data, that would tend to hint that the spike in “non-Covid 19” deaths may be related somehow to Covid 19 nonetheless. Otherwise, why the morbidity spike outside the Covid 19 area?
One would need more data, but the very existence of a dual-death spike brings some interesting questions. Was there by chance an accompanying article that discussed the chart?
Beyond that I question the chart itself. What population area is it referring to? (U.S., global or elsewhere?) I ask because the chart denies statistical data I’ve been personally tracking, which shows Covid-19 in the U.S. and globally both as a continual upward spike without the severe decline shown on that chart on May 9. (I’ve been tracking statistical data since March 3.) My records state that Covid-reported deaths globally went from 59,949 on April 2 to 275,976 on May 8, with no decline or trendline drop at all. Rather there was a steep, continual rise. The same holds true for the U.S.
So… perhaps I’m misunderstanding something on that chart? The chart isn’t labeled and disagrees with the stats, so what is it representing?
(Folks can see why I often question official statements and data. PHDs are a dime a dozen, baker’s dozen on Fridays.) ;D
Theseus, I’m not going to spend time trying to refute your statements, because there’s nothing to refute but personal opinion— and you’re entitled to personal opinion all you like.
So I’ll limit my response to your posts to a simple question: “Why do you believe all that?” Because personally, I found every statement you made to be inaccurate and without basis of evidence.
“Because that’s how things are” will not be considered a valid answer. ; )
You started out quoting scripture, as if you have some expertise and authority in such studies. Then it’s learned you don’t accept scripture as authoritative. That’s a bit of a head-scratcher as to purpose and agenda. So other than the basic “I don’t believe in God”… is there some other point you’re trying to make?
Well, that’s interesting Kaffekup. I’ve not been aware of such interpretations and beliefs (and I can certainly understand your running out of time to be more detailed). So when you get time, my logical question would be (with all respect), “Why does Jewish philosophy teach that?” (based on what evidence?)… and “What makes that philosophy any more valid than other philosophy?”
the Israelites also slaughtered children and engaged in mass-child rape (see Numbers).
Perhaps you can specifically site your reference to Numbers where it states that “mass-child rape” was authorized by God. Such a questionable claim demands actual verification.
Regarding slaughter of children: in national wars today, are the children spared? When the U.S. dropped the bomb on Hiroshima, did they somehow fix it so that it wouldn’t affect children, infants and babies? What country has ever spared all children in war? When you speak of genocide, by whose standards are you measuring? The wisdom of God… or man’s?
When God found it necessary to destroy an entire nation because of the extreme evil performed by that nation, were the attitudes and thoughts of the children unaffected by that environment? Are we to believe those children didn’t carry diseases caused by child prostitution and incest? Those nations were already slaughtering their own children in sacrifices to their false gods; they considered their own children’s lives to be of no value.
What was Israel to do… destroy all the adults and then have potentially millions of children to care for? There were numerous nations involved; how many children could Israel absorb in such a manner?
Those children were the responsibility of their parents. They were not God’s responsibility. Their own parents were abusing and murdering them. If anything, Israel put an end to a lifetime of such abuse, having full faith in God’s decisions.
However, God has the mercy, love and power to bring those children back to life under wondrous conditions, should that be his will.
God is more intelligent and wiser than we are. He can see and understand things that we do not. He sees the entire picture, not just one piece of the puzzle. Scripture says God is “perfectly righteous, perfectly just.” We can choose to have faith in God’s understanding, wisdom and decisions, or insist on our own limited observations.