When people are asked about each element of the bill, they’re for it. When asked about it as a whole they buy into the noise and don’t like it. Y’know, because of the childish rhetoric like “socialist” “communist” “death panels” etc…
And from the political perspective… the public will be much more forgiving of the reconciliation angle then the couldn’t-get-it-done angle.
^Think about what you’re saying. If we’re all paying for the uninsured now (actually, only those that are currently insured are) then you think it only fair to spread the misery around. The paperboy, the bagboy, the dishwasher at the greasy spoon, etc. etc. This whole thing is a power and money grab by making it appear as if it is compassion.
WBR – if O’Keefe filmed those videos under the pretense of being a person trying to save a prostitute and then edited it to look like he came into their office straight out of a blaxploitation film trying to further her prostitution… then it becomes lies meant to make ACORN look bad.
The moon landing was not fake, don’t put your idiot words into my mouth.
9/11 was not CIA / Mosad planned, don’t put your idiot words into my mouth.
Bruce – (you get your own response because you are rational, unlike the others).
Sure, there is rhetoric on both sides.
The uninsured clearly go to get reactive care when things get bad, rather than getting cheaper preventative care. We agree.
But there are also plenty of people who do die of curable ailments that DO die because they catch it too late, or can’t afford the treatment. Agreed?
I wouldn’t say millions are dying in the streets, that’s just rhetoric. Kind of like calling it socialism is clearly rhetoric. And if you can point to an instance where I said that… I will retract it.
The problem I have with your “act locally” approach is that Minneapolis winds up with plenty of free clinics and it gets better. But Tuskaloosa winds up with nothing.
Until the system goes single-payer and non-profit there will be no universal coverage and costs will NOT go down.
So you don’t get the fraud either? You don’t understand that he edited the film to present a scenario that was untrue? You don’t get that he pretended to be dressed like a Pimp (yes, capital P) when he didn’t go into the offices that way? You don’t get that he actually asked questions about how to get the girlfriend OUT of prostitution? You don’t see how any of that completely invalidates anything & everything he had to say?
I agree, if the Brooklyn DA has ACORN ties, then he should have recused himself. If nothing else to provide absolute clarity on how much of a lying @ss O’Keefe is.
Most Americans do like their Health Care Plan, it is the Health Care System they want changed so that more people can be covered, and people won’t lose their coverage due to “pre-existing condition.”
You may like your Health Care Plan, but does it like you? What happens when you really, really need it?
Bruce, just want to add a couple of things. Yes, everyone pays for the uninsured, and no one pays more than those without insurance who pay for their medical treatment and are charged three times what insurance companies pay. There is so much money, collectively, within the system that can and should be redirected.
People seeking non-emergency treatment in ERs is horribly costly, not to mention ineffective. It’s like all of us having to pay $3,000 for what could have been taken care of in a $70 physician office visit.
The two Dems bills attempt not only to eliminate fraud and abuse, they also attempt to control costs by independent, non -political, medical experts identifying and sharing best practices. This is an attempt to get at vast differences in treatments and costs that are based on physician routines, with no difference quality or outcome, but vast differences in cost. This is a difficult challenge, but I believe the bills are an honest and practical way to stop the waste caused by physician habits. I’m trying to be non-confrontational, but it’s also a way to address the problem of physicians increasing volume of medical care because it results in greater reimbursement. (lest you think this is a Democratic charge, it was a Republican who spoke of this problem most directly during the recent summit.)
I believe the health insurance exchange is a cost-saving measure because the private insurers will have to agree to some baseline coverage, and, more importantly, minimum medical loss ratios in order to be included on the exchange.
I don’t blame you or others for being nervous about the scope and costs associated with this bill. I get that. But every single person who knows anything about healthcare understands that the costs for us as a nation will be far greater if we leave things as they are.
Breitbart himself confesses that the pimp aspect had nothing to do with the undercover video part, despite the fact that it sets the scene for all the video taken where O’Queef is pretending to try to get his girlfriend OUT of prostitution.
Google: acorn pimp hoax
I don’t get what you’re thinking I said about the Brooklyn DA.
Madman2001 about 14 years ago
LOL. Yes, Obama and Pelosi just can’t believe that the majority of Americans don’t like their reform.
Either that, or they don’t care.
lalas about 14 years ago
When people are asked about each element of the bill, they’re for it. When asked about it as a whole they buy into the noise and don’t like it. Y’know, because of the childish rhetoric like “socialist” “communist” “death panels” etc…
And from the political perspective… the public will be much more forgiving of the reconciliation angle then the couldn’t-get-it-done angle.
lalas about 14 years ago
Off-topic – curious when the “liberal media” will pick up on the hoax that was the ACORN / Pimp video: http://mediamatters.org/columns/201003020001
lalas about 14 years ago
Agreed on that last point.
On the previous stuff…. we’re all paying for the uninsured NOW. I guess I haven’t heard anyone talk about that money included in the equation.
Whatroughbeast about 14 years ago
^Think about what you’re saying. If we’re all paying for the uninsured now (actually, only those that are currently insured are) then you think it only fair to spread the misery around. The paperboy, the bagboy, the dishwasher at the greasy spoon, etc. etc. This whole thing is a power and money grab by making it appear as if it is compassion.
oneoldhat about 14 years ago
lalas rewriting history again –yes lalas pimp video was fake – the moon landing was fake –fbi cia mosad planned 9/11
lalas about 14 years ago
WBR – if O’Keefe filmed those videos under the pretense of being a person trying to save a prostitute and then edited it to look like he came into their office straight out of a blaxploitation film trying to further her prostitution… then it becomes lies meant to make ACORN look bad.
The moon landing was not fake, don’t put your idiot words into my mouth. 9/11 was not CIA / Mosad planned, don’t put your idiot words into my mouth.
lalas about 14 years ago
Bruce – (you get your own response because you are rational, unlike the others).
Sure, there is rhetoric on both sides. The uninsured clearly go to get reactive care when things get bad, rather than getting cheaper preventative care. We agree.
But there are also plenty of people who do die of curable ailments that DO die because they catch it too late, or can’t afford the treatment. Agreed?
I wouldn’t say millions are dying in the streets, that’s just rhetoric. Kind of like calling it socialism is clearly rhetoric. And if you can point to an instance where I said that… I will retract it.
The problem I have with your “act locally” approach is that Minneapolis winds up with plenty of free clinics and it gets better. But Tuskaloosa winds up with nothing.
Until the system goes single-payer and non-profit there will be no universal coverage and costs will NOT go down.
lalas about 14 years ago
So you don’t get the fraud either? You don’t understand that he edited the film to present a scenario that was untrue? You don’t get that he pretended to be dressed like a Pimp (yes, capital P) when he didn’t go into the offices that way? You don’t get that he actually asked questions about how to get the girlfriend OUT of prostitution? You don’t see how any of that completely invalidates anything & everything he had to say?
I agree, if the Brooklyn DA has ACORN ties, then he should have recused himself. If nothing else to provide absolute clarity on how much of a lying @ss O’Keefe is.
kennethcwarren64 about 14 years ago
Most Americans do like their Health Care Plan, it is the Health Care System they want changed so that more people can be covered, and people won’t lose their coverage due to “pre-existing condition.”
You may like your Health Care Plan, but does it like you? What happens when you really, really need it?
believecommonsense about 14 years ago
Bruce, just want to add a couple of things. Yes, everyone pays for the uninsured, and no one pays more than those without insurance who pay for their medical treatment and are charged three times what insurance companies pay. There is so much money, collectively, within the system that can and should be redirected.
People seeking non-emergency treatment in ERs is horribly costly, not to mention ineffective. It’s like all of us having to pay $3,000 for what could have been taken care of in a $70 physician office visit.
The two Dems bills attempt not only to eliminate fraud and abuse, they also attempt to control costs by independent, non -political, medical experts identifying and sharing best practices. This is an attempt to get at vast differences in treatments and costs that are based on physician routines, with no difference quality or outcome, but vast differences in cost. This is a difficult challenge, but I believe the bills are an honest and practical way to stop the waste caused by physician habits. I’m trying to be non-confrontational, but it’s also a way to address the problem of physicians increasing volume of medical care because it results in greater reimbursement. (lest you think this is a Democratic charge, it was a Republican who spoke of this problem most directly during the recent summit.)
I believe the health insurance exchange is a cost-saving measure because the private insurers will have to agree to some baseline coverage, and, more importantly, minimum medical loss ratios in order to be included on the exchange.
I don’t blame you or others for being nervous about the scope and costs associated with this bill. I get that. But every single person who knows anything about healthcare understands that the costs for us as a nation will be far greater if we leave things as they are.
lalas about 14 years ago
http://crooksandliars.com/mike-stark/lost-cpac-breitbart-video-crazy-you-mis
Breitbart himself confesses that the pimp aspect had nothing to do with the undercover video part, despite the fact that it sets the scene for all the video taken where O’Queef is pretending to try to get his girlfriend OUT of prostitution.
Google: acorn pimp hoax
I don’t get what you’re thinking I said about the Brooklyn DA.
lalas about 14 years ago
Considering that O’Queef tried to break into a Congress-persons offices and tap the phones I wouldn’t trust his version of anything.
I would think that you wouldn’t normally trust the word of a criminal either.
lalas about 14 years ago
Got carried away with himself? So did Little Alex.
Nice touch on that last bit.