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  1. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Why do Republicans hate the idea of people getting health care?

  2. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 2 years ago

    At a conference held at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative research organization in Washington, Michael S. Greve, an A.E.I. scholar and chairman of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, had this to say in reference to the Affordable Care Act:

    “This bastard has to be killed as a matter of political hygiene. I do not care how this is done, whether it’s dismembered, whether we drive a stake through its heart, whether we tar and feather it and drive it out of town, whether we strangle it. I don’t care who does it, whether it’s some court some place, or the United States Congress. Any which way, any dollar spent on that goal is worth spending, any brief filed toward that end is worth filing, any speech or panel contribution toward that end is of service to the United States.”

  3. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 2 years ago

    “Five million Americans stand to lose their subsidies if the Supreme Court rules against the ACA. Some of them have pre-existing conditions and without subsidies would find health insurance unaffordable. Others, of modest income, who finally received health care coverage after years of going without it would find themselves in jeopardy again. This would be tragic for so many Americans.” — Mary Scott

    Tragic? For many, it would be deadly. This is indeed a life-or-death struggle, and not in a merely figurative sense. The people engaged in this effort are trying to use the courts to commit murder. And they may get away with it.

  4. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, over 2 years ago

    By any estimate, several thousand people will die next year through lack of timely primary care because of the refusal of many red states to expend medicare. The present efforts to kill the ACA (without replacing it with something that accomplishes the same purpose) ought to be regarded as the “reckless endangerment” of the lives of others.

    I wish the ACA WERE replaced, replaced by something simpler and more efficient. But rather a leaky and poorly-designed lifeboat than none at all.

  5. neatslob

    neatslob said, over 2 years ago


    They only hate the idea of poor people getting health care.

  6. pmaerz

    pmaerz GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Stop spout political jargon that is untrue and look at the facts:

    Republicans are not against healthcare – they are against government ran healthcare because it costs far more for the same care

    Republicans have offered many cost reduction ideas that literally cost nothing (like allowing insurance to compete over state lines), but the Democrats will not even allow a vote on it due to the fact that it would hurt the government ran option

    Democrats are trying to keep healthcare costs high so that the poor have to turn to the government ran option so that they will continue to vote for the party of handouts instead of the party that gives a hand up – keep people dependent on the government and they will keep voting for the people that promise free

    We cannot continue to make promises that we will not be able to financially sustain over time – Obamacare as structured today is the next Social Security

    People that promote and spew the type of lies like in this cartoon are trying to hide the facts so that people support something that will ultimately cause our economic collapse because the people that are doing it to get votes today are not the people that will have to deal with it tomorrow

    And there are of course the few “true believer” liberals that just cannot look past their ideology to realize that everything costs money and therefore you cannot give everything to everyone – i.e. they cannot look at the impact of their agenda realistically and reasonably

  7. nordwonder

    nordwonder said, over 2 years ago

    I suppose you feel the same way about the fire department. And BTW, whether you like it our not, people you do not know are free to vote for anyone they like, or do you object to that, too?

  8. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, over 2 years ago


    " they are against government ran healthcare because it costs far more for the same care"

    This is not true. Insurance companies have stockholders to pay, lobbyists to pay, and work to make a profit. All of these things would be absent with single-payer health care.

    “Republicans have offered many cost reduction ideas that literally cost nothing (like allowing insurance to compete over state lines),”

    This may sound attractive, but it means absolutely nothing. Do you really think that Anthem of Pennsylvania would get into a pricing war with Anthem of New York? Anthem is Anthem.

    And it is likely that this plan would end up costing more (unintentionally). Congress told us that it was up to the states to deal with insurance companies; as a result each state has different statutory rules determining what insurance companies can and cannot do, should and should not provide, etc. So when Anthem of PA goes into New York, the products they sell will have to be modified. Staff will need to be trained in the differences. Benefits books will have to be re-edited and re-printed to cover the differences. All of these considerations and more will cost the insurance company money that they will recover by increasing premiums.

    Although you posit that there are “many cost reduction ideas that literally cost nothing”, as a doctor myself, I have been following this subject closely, and I can tell you that allowing insurance to be sold across state lines is about the only concrete thing that Republicans have proposed.

    The Romney/Ryan plan, the only other one I’m aware of, would make Obamacare look like the best idea ever.

    In a nutshell: first (of course) repeal of Obamacare. This would bring back the exclusion for pre-existing conditions. Next, make Medicare so unattractive that people will have no choice but to go to private insurers (this is almost the same thing as “privatizing” but gives the cynical illusion that Medicare will still be available). How many seniors do you know who don’t have a pre-existing condition?

    So as a result, instead of emergency rooms being crowded with poor people, emergency rooms will be crowded with poor people AND seniors, taking a terrible situation and making it untenable.

    Even Mitch McConnell has acknowledged that Republicans have no plans to “repeal and replace”, their plan is to “repeal”. And then where will we be?

    This is not to say that Democrats are blameless. Obamacare has problems, and Democrats could as easily develop remedies as well as Republicans. Both will not, for reasons more important to party power than any other reason, and this is reprehensible.

    A healthy nation is productive. A sick nation is dependent. We cannot afford to continue to squabble along political lines. This is a national problem, and has to be seen in that context. Answers are plentiful if we are willing to look. Until something big changes, though, no one in authority is going to be willing to look.

  9. wellis1947

    wellis1947 said, over 2 years ago

    Consider this. If it were proven tomorrow that Obama was Christ Incarnate – the day after tomorrow all conservatives would announce that they were atheists and always had been!

  10. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    @I Play One On TV

    “as a doctor myself, I have been following this subject closely, and I can tell you that allowing insurance to be sold across state lines is about the only concrete thing that Republicans have proposed.”

    How many Republican/Fox “news” viewers on these boards have claimed they have never met a doctor who was in favor of the ACA?

  11. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, over 2 years ago

    Harley, I understand your hatred of Obama. Really, I do. I think everyone does.
    But the question I asked was why Republicans hate the idea of people getting health care.
    Hatred of Obama does not answer the question.

  12. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, over 2 years ago


    If you are going to claim facts, you should use some.
    The most expensive per capital healthcare IN THE WORLD is in the US. It is directly attributable to NOT having government-controlled healthcare. Pre-Romneycare, we paid an average of 50% more per capita than the #2 most costly.
    Medicare is far cheaper, has less money going to profits, and gets high ratings from people participating — higher than those working with private insurance.
    Back in 1993, I heard speakers at the Catholic Healthcare of America conference say it flat out: “the biggest obstacle to healthcare in the US today is the health insurance industry.”
    So much for facts.

  13. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, over 2 years ago


    To be fair, I’m not really in favor of ACA. I see it as I see the vote to increase the debt ceiling: necessary to avoid an otherwise unavoidable train wreck, but not addressing the main problem. It buys us time to modify or replace, but I am afraid that if left unmodified it will end poorly.

    The biggest downside is that it provides the insurance industry even more power by forcing people to buy their product. They have a required monopoly, and there is nothing really to check the excesses which the insurance industry has worked very hard to promote.

    Much of the horror of the previous health-care system was caused directly by the insurance industry. It would be foolish to expect them to become suddenly altruistic.

    My vote: single payer. I know all the arguments (and have repeated them) about how the government screws everything up. But I will maintain that if you demand better, you will get better. To turn away from a good idea because you don’t trust the people who will implement it is to deprive yourself of good ideas. If you don’t trust the people who will implement it, get better people. I understand there are at least a few brainy educated people who need work; I think we have the raw materials.

  14. pirate227

    pirate227 said, over 2 years ago

    GOP: Party first!

  15. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, over 2 years ago

    “So while the Democrats are spineless and won’t stand up to the republicans instead they whine about republicans not doing anything, what could they do IF they had the courage to act?”

    The operative phrase here is “if they have the courage to act”. One thing that would be minimally upsetting to the party would be to propose a statute that delays implementation of parts of the plan. This would take the onus off the president’s executive order to do the same, and puts responsibility in the Congress where it belongs. It may also (but this is a long shot) blow a hole in the lawsuit that the Republicans are bringing against the White House, which would save the country lots of money and time.

    If one were more adventurous, one could propose single payer, which was the original and best idea. This would appear to create a lack of a united front for the party, but adults should be smart enough to know that if the leader is mistaken, it is unwise to blindly follow the leader. At this moment, in many cases it is not an advantage for Democratic candidates to be linked to either/both ACA and/or Obama, so showing a different point of view than the president may actually help at the polls. But it would take someone who is not a go-along-to-get-along Democrat, and off the top of my head I can’t name one.

    “So while I agree with you that there is plenty of blame on both sides of the aisle, is it not also true that the preponderance of blame lies on the red side?”

    I will sidestep that one. Certainly the Republicans are invested in the failure of ACA; this is the main reason for the lawsuit, in my opinion. It has less to do with presidential overreach than to force the full implementation, which they believe will cause total failure (or at least popular rejection). So the goal is to force all of ACA at one time in hopes of a spectacular failure. This will greatly benefit the party, but it puts all of us at financial risk, to the point that it may throw us back into (deeper) recession. The fact that the party leaders are willing to tale this risk in a ploy to gain political power is cynical in the extreme, and this is where I have my most heartburn with Republican strategy.

    But we have had so much finger-pointing and blaming that I would personally prefer that we just find a way out instead of finding who we can be angry at. We need a better system ASAP, and we cannot afford the time we will take trying to assign blame.

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