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  1. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    Why do Republicans hate the idea of people getting health care?

  2. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, about 1 year ago

    At a conference held at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative research organization in Washington, Michael S. Greve, an A.E.I. scholar and chairman of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, had this to say in reference to the Affordable Care Act:


    “This bastard has to be killed as a matter of political hygiene. I do not care how this is done, whether it’s dismembered, whether we drive a stake through its heart, whether we tar and feather it and drive it out of town, whether we strangle it. I don’t care who does it, whether it’s some court some place, or the United States Congress. Any which way, any dollar spent on that goal is worth spending, any brief filed toward that end is worth filing, any speech or panel contribution toward that end is of service to the United States.”

  3. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, about 1 year ago

    “Five million Americans stand to lose their subsidies if the Supreme Court rules against the ACA. Some of them have pre-existing conditions and without subsidies would find health insurance unaffordable. Others, of modest income, who finally received health care coverage after years of going without it would find themselves in jeopardy again. This would be tragic for so many Americans.” — Mary Scott


    Tragic? For many, it would be deadly. This is indeed a life-or-death struggle, and not in a merely figurative sense. The people engaged in this effort are trying to use the courts to commit murder. And they may get away with it.


  4. Doughfoot

    Doughfoot said, about 1 year ago

    By any estimate, several thousand people will die next year through lack of timely primary care because of the refusal of many red states to expend medicare. The present efforts to kill the ACA (without replacing it with something that accomplishes the same purpose) ought to be regarded as the “reckless endangerment” of the lives of others.


    I wish the ACA WERE replaced, replaced by something simpler and more efficient. But rather a leaky and poorly-designed lifeboat than none at all.


  5. Gresch

    Gresch said, about 1 year ago

    @braindead08

    because it is a tax that I pay so somebody I do not know is free to vote for somebody I think is raising my taxes…..

  6. neatslob

    neatslob said, about 1 year ago

    @braindead08

    They only hate the idea of poor people getting health care.

  7. pmaerz

    pmaerz GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    Stop spout political jargon that is untrue and look at the facts:

    Republicans are not against healthcare – they are against government ran healthcare because it costs far more for the same care

    Republicans have offered many cost reduction ideas that literally cost nothing (like allowing insurance to compete over state lines), but the Democrats will not even allow a vote on it due to the fact that it would hurt the government ran option

    Democrats are trying to keep healthcare costs high so that the poor have to turn to the government ran option so that they will continue to vote for the party of handouts instead of the party that gives a hand up – keep people dependent on the government and they will keep voting for the people that promise free

    We cannot continue to make promises that we will not be able to financially sustain over time – Obamacare as structured today is the next Social Security

    People that promote and spew the type of lies like in this cartoon are trying to hide the facts so that people support something that will ultimately cause our economic collapse because the people that are doing it to get votes today are not the people that will have to deal with it tomorrow

    And there are of course the few “true believer” liberals that just cannot look past their ideology to realize that everything costs money and therefore you cannot give everything to everyone – i.e. they cannot look at the impact of their agenda realistically and reasonably

  8. nordwonder

    nordwonder said, about 1 year ago

    @Gresch

    I suppose you feel the same way about the fire department. And BTW, whether you like it our not, people you do not know are free to vote for anyone they like, or do you object to that, too?

  9. I Play One On TV

    I Play One On TV said, about 1 year ago

    @pmaerz

    " they are against government ran healthcare because it costs far more for the same care"

    This is not true. Insurance companies have stockholders to pay, lobbyists to pay, and work to make a profit. All of these things would be absent with single-payer health care.

    “Republicans have offered many cost reduction ideas that literally cost nothing (like allowing insurance to compete over state lines),”

    This may sound attractive, but it means absolutely nothing. Do you really think that Anthem of Pennsylvania would get into a pricing war with Anthem of New York? Anthem is Anthem.

    And it is likely that this plan would end up costing more (unintentionally). Congress told us that it was up to the states to deal with insurance companies; as a result each state has different statutory rules determining what insurance companies can and cannot do, should and should not provide, etc. So when Anthem of PA goes into New York, the products they sell will have to be modified. Staff will need to be trained in the differences. Benefits books will have to be re-edited and re-printed to cover the differences. All of these considerations and more will cost the insurance company money that they will recover by increasing premiums.

    Although you posit that there are “many cost reduction ideas that literally cost nothing”, as a doctor myself, I have been following this subject closely, and I can tell you that allowing insurance to be sold across state lines is about the only concrete thing that Republicans have proposed.

    The Romney/Ryan plan, the only other one I’m aware of, would make Obamacare look like the best idea ever.

    In a nutshell: first (of course) repeal of Obamacare. This would bring back the exclusion for pre-existing conditions. Next, make Medicare so unattractive that people will have no choice but to go to private insurers (this is almost the same thing as “privatizing” but gives the cynical illusion that Medicare will still be available). How many seniors do you know who don’t have a pre-existing condition?

    So as a result, instead of emergency rooms being crowded with poor people, emergency rooms will be crowded with poor people AND seniors, taking a terrible situation and making it untenable.

    Even Mitch McConnell has acknowledged that Republicans have no plans to “repeal and replace”, their plan is to “repeal”. And then where will we be?

    This is not to say that Democrats are blameless. Obamacare has problems, and Democrats could as easily develop remedies as well as Republicans. Both will not, for reasons more important to party power than any other reason, and this is reprehensible.

    A healthy nation is productive. A sick nation is dependent. We cannot afford to continue to squabble along political lines. This is a national problem, and has to be seen in that context. Answers are plentiful if we are willing to look. Until something big changes, though, no one in authority is going to be willing to look.

  10. wellis1947

    wellis1947 said, about 1 year ago

    Consider this. If it were proven tomorrow that Obama was Christ Incarnate – the day after tomorrow all conservatives would announce that they were atheists and always had been!

  11. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @I Play One On TV

    “as a doctor myself, I have been following this subject closely, and I can tell you that allowing insurance to be sold across state lines is about the only concrete thing that Republicans have proposed.”


    How many Republican/Fox “news” viewers on these boards have claimed they have never met a doctor who was in favor of the ACA?

  12. braindead08

    braindead08 GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    Harley, I understand your hatred of Obama. Really, I do. I think everyone does.
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    But the question I asked was why Republicans hate the idea of people getting health care.
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    Hatred of Obama does not answer the question.

  13. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, about 1 year ago

    @pmaerz

    If you are going to claim facts, you should use some.
    The most expensive per capital healthcare IN THE WORLD is in the US. It is directly attributable to NOT having government-controlled healthcare. Pre-Romneycare, we paid an average of 50% more per capita than the #2 most costly.
    Medicare is far cheaper, has less money going to profits, and gets high ratings from people participating — higher than those working with private insurance.
    Back in 1993, I heard speakers at the Catholic Healthcare of America conference say it flat out: “the biggest obstacle to healthcare in the US today is the health insurance industry.”
    So much for facts.

  14. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @braindead08

    Look at it this way. If they can’t pay for it out of their own pocket they deserve what they get. Or not get.

  15. Night-Gaunt49

    Night-Gaunt49 GoComics PRO Member said, about 1 year ago

    @Doughfoot

    I wonder if he would have said that had Romney been elected and went with it since it is a Republican thing taken by our Rep…Democratic President.

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