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Dycel
said, 4 months ago
But the next mass shooting is at the NRA meeting on mass shootings!
Talk about getting ahead of he curve.
Nos Nevets said, 4 months ago
So are we ready to restrict the 1st amendment rights? Banning violent video games may save lives.
If not, how about 4th amendment. Searches without warrants will find more bad guys and save lives.
Let’s restrict the 5th: If we can coerce self-incrinination it will save lives.
No? You’d sooner have freedom than safety?
Why does the same not hold for 2nd amendment?
Ms. Ima said, 4 months ago
Does this infer that the NRA is responsible for a crazy stealing a gun and killing innocent people?
then00b said, 4 months ago
Does 1 shot 3 victims count?
1effinday said, 4 months ago
@Nos Nevets
When the Second Amendment was instituted on December 15, 1791, the only firearms available were black powder. I freely accept that all people everywhere are permitted to carry black powder firearms. But the founding fathers certainly couldn’t have predicted modern assault rifles, so, they’re unacceptable. Where do you draw the line? Should everyone be allowed to own MPS AA-12 Assault Combat Shotguns (aka the Sledgehammer)? Or C4ISTAR tanks?
http://columbiaacs.blogspot.com/2007/11/right-to-bear-ye-olde-arms.html
Robert Landers said, 4 months ago
@Nos Nevets
Without the safety of you and your loved ones there is NO such a thing as freedom!!
For instance, just how long do you think the US would have been able to be the Arsenal of Democracy (and win WWII against the dictators of both Germany and Japan) had we not been safely behind the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans!
Safety and freedom are two sides of the same coin. Just how safe would you feel if you lived in a country with no rule of law such as Somalia?
The other side of the coin being, do the people of Somalia actually feel truly free?
sjc14850 said, 4 months ago
We do restrict First Amendment rights: you can’t slander someone or threaten his life or cry “fire” in a crowded theater, for example. No rights are absolute.
As 1effinday said, when the Second Amendment was written, the founders never dreamed of the weapons that are available today.
Doughfoot said, 4 months ago
We do, and have for generations, limited what weapons the ordinary citizen may buy and possess. Try buying a case of hand grenades. No one wants to eliminate deadly weapons from every household. (“I’m sorry ma’am, we’ll have to take those steak knives.”) So the question is, where to draw the line. There is no easy answer to that one, folks. The line will always be arbitrary.
Even the term “assault rifle”, coined by the gun makers to increase sales, is a term as hard to define as “pornography.” No one characteristic turns a rifle into an assault rifle.
We have a failed school system, a failed social system, a failed mental health system, and as a result, a violent society. It is an enlarged concern for the welfare of our fellow citizens, and real action to make a better society that alone is going to reduce the violent crime rate (which has, I might add, been falling for the last couple decades), as well as identify and provide (or require) treatment for people like Adam Lanza.
In the meantime, things like background checks (if done right and universally) may help.
Personally I don’t care if “assault weapons” are banned or not. They aren’t the problem, but then again, nobody “needs” such a thing either. In fact, the only people I worry about are those who think that other kinds of gun don’t give them enough firepower, and that they NEED an AR15 to feel safe, or so they can do battle with the big, bad guvmint.
saywhatwhat said, 4 months ago
@sjc14850
It’ not really relevant what weapons were available then and now, but the intent of the Founding Fathers is. They never intended to have a “right” for an armed mob to overthrow a government thought to be to over-reaching as some claim today. It really was about “a well regulated militia”. Anyone who thinks otherwise should read the history of the Whiskey Rebellion and George Washington’s reaction to it and early laws regarding the regulation and equipment of the militia in the late 1700’s. That the "right to bear arms is in fact limited was settled when fully automatic weapons and bazookas were restricted in the 1920’s. (or 30’s?).
narrowminded said, 4 months ago
The source of information for this news post came from Roger Hedgecock’s 1/17/13 radio show. Here’s the link. Fast forward to 21:13 for Roger’s comments.
The five worst mass killings, where a firearm was used, have a common thread. Hint #1: They didn’t belong to the NRA. They don’t fit the stereotype of the “red-neck” gun owner.
Check it out …
Ft Hood: Registered Democrat/Muslim.
Columbine: Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.
Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff.
Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal.
Connecticut School Shooter: Registered Democrat; hated Christians.
Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.
Also, of the worst killings in the last several decades, only one was a female, all the rest were boys, barely men. Their role models were rappers, action movies, comics and violent video games.
Our problem isn’t weapons, it’s boys without boundaries who live in ‘progressive’ households.
Clark Kent said, 4 months ago
Hoist him on his own petard. Let’s repeal the 2nd amendment like we did the 18th amendment (prohibition).
lonecat said, 4 months ago
@Ms. Ima
imply
Chillbilly
said, 4 months ago
The Second Amendment is QUAINT. So was the amendment that made alcohol illegal. Things can change if people look at a situation and apply common sense.
Omnius said, 4 months ago
@Ms. Ima
Yes little Miss Ima the NRA is responsible for every gun death that happens in this country because the NRA, and cowards like you, demand we not have responsible gun control laws and the ones we do have have loopholes so large Mexican drug cartels can buy their automatic weapons and high capacity magazines made here in the USA.
onguard said, 4 months ago
@Omnius
ATF is the biggest loophole in gun law enforcement…..The NRA supports lawful enforcement……that concept has so far escaped the ATF……They do a great job punishing their whistle blowers.