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  1. ynnek58

    ynnek58 said, about 5 years ago

    It’s not just insurance companies and the radical right that are fighting this – doctors don’t want this either. They fear the government option would put more pressure to clamp down on what many of them are making, which is a lot. One of my friends is a pediatrician – he doesn’t do too bad at couple hundred Gs a year, but my other friend is a anesthetist and I think he’s doing >$400K/yr. A lot of school, but that’s spanking.

  2. mattro53

    mattro53 said, about 5 years ago

    Then why do 60% of doctors favor a single payer system? Your anecdotal evidence is worthless.

  3. ynnek58

    ynnek58 said, about 5 years ago

    satipera4 So, what we are hearing, is that there are not a few problems and the program is very much in arrears – what’s your take on it since we can’t actually trust anything the media or pundits say.

  4. sirromsirrom

    sirromsirrom said, about 5 years ago

    Although I never liked Lyndon Johnson much, and actually hated him during the Vietnam years, I’ve got to give him all the credit in the world for somehow getting Medicare passed. The man knew how to work Congress, and nobody ever doubted that he had balls.

  5. Bob Wells

    Bob Wells said, about 5 years ago

    My doctor packed it in when his malpractice insurance premiums went sky-high. Those high salaries don’t mean squat if you’re putting 3/4 of it to insurance and office staff.

  6. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, about 5 years ago

    YNNEK58 (to SATIPERA4): “…what’s your take on it since we can’t actually trust anything the media or pundits say.”

    You are aware that SATIPERA is a self-professed socialist that doesn’t think the European left is left enough, right? Of course he’s entitled to his opinion; you should just bear in mind the mindset that his opinion is coming from– on this or any other issue. (Let’s just say I’d trust PMSNBC more than him, if you know what I mean…)

  7. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, about 5 years ago

    ^ What part of “you are entitled to your opinion” did you not understand?

  8. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, about 5 years ago

    ^ As far as I can tell, he’s a fairly new poster. I just wanted him to know whose opinion he was asking. Got a problem with that, comrade?

    If I were to ask an economics professor his theories of capitalism vs. socialism, it might be noteworthy to know that the professor was a card carrying member of the socialist party when evaluating his reply.

  9. edmondd

    edmondd said, about 5 years ago

    I remember when this sort of talk, the criticizing of the current dehumanized capitalist system, would ban you for life. I see some progress!

    Crisis are big opportunities to turn things around toward a better direction, “destiny”, in the days of lore.

  10. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, about 5 years ago

    ^ Hmmm… I thought “comrade” had a nice sarcastic ring to it… maybe it doesn’t translate well on the other side of the pond?

    And if I had meant to be insulting, I would have included “terrorist sympathiser” in my description of you. NOW it would be appropriate to say I was being “magnanimous”!

    EDIT: Obviously by remarks were meant for SATIPERA.

    EDMONDD: Banned from where? We’ve always had a socialist party in this country. We currently have one (openly) socialist congressman and “tsar”.

  11. ynnek58

    ynnek58 said, about 5 years ago

    I’m a relatively new poster, but it doesn’t take too long to see where people are coming from. I probably won’t hang here long. In about a week, I’ve been through pretty much everybody’s philosophy and no one is changing any opinions here. There are some well thought-out posts and some thoughtful posters [on both sides of the spectrum and in-between], but there are also a lot of strong opinions with little forethought or basis. And really, way too much anger. Guys like the humpie, for instance, who laments long posts with any kind of point to be made (do his eyes just roll into the back of his head?), gets very personal, and never offers anything of substance; yet, guys like him seem to have their own cheering section despite the lack of anything sustentative. On the other hand there are right-wing apologists like Striper, who have never seen the other side of an argument and believe Obama, spawn of Satan, is responsible for all evil in the world.

    satipera4 might be a socialist, but I was at least willing to listen to his prospective. Sure, I may not agree with it since I’m generally a free market guy, but I’m willing to listen. Also, even though in theory one might lean toward a particular philosophy (like libertarianism) practically the theoretical is rarely workable (i.e. the market does need some safeguards and controls). Conversely, there is no doubt in my mind where a government planned economy will take those who choose to go that direction. Nevertheless, since we are not usually at either of those extremes, it’s interesting to see a perspective from someone who is living under the various systems.

    One thing that I do thing is underappreciated by most Europeans is the fierce independence that both existed at the beginning and early development of American, and particularly the United States culture. Same thing exists with guns in the States – it was so much a part of American culture and way of life – especially in the West, that it became ingrained in many psyches. When you couple that with the mistrust that many have of the government (even those on the left here harangue on about how much they were lied to and how much their freedoms have been abused), you can at least see where they are coming from, even if you don’t agree. The hardest thing to do is see someone else’s perspective…

  12. ynnek58

    ynnek58 said, about 5 years ago

    To suggest I’m a right winger would mean that you haven’t read very many of my posts where I hammer the right quite frequently. The knife cuts both ways and I, for one, see stupidity on the right and left.

    I guess by the time the Utopian dream and socialism really became vogue in Europe, which replaced the laissez faire economic system that had been the rage in Britain, that the US was a bit insulated from the change. Just my opinion that the former independence that existed in western society was somewhat replaced by this anointed vision in Europe (or at least the Laissez Faire model), that if I’m remembering correctly originated in Germany. However, the Americas were founded by people seeking both religious independence and economic opportunity – they left because they wanted new, and weren’t afraid to strike out on their own. Furthermore, when they landed, they had to adapt immediately to their new surroundings including adapting to the agriculture, and creating their own economic and social models. Those these varied a bit it, should be noted that the Pilgrims, for instance, faced chronic food shortages when farming as a collective (first few years), whereas when each family was given responsibility (and rewards that came with it) for their own land, the shortages stopped. As it turns out when farming collectively, only the men went out to tend the fields while the women and children stayed home. After they took ownership of their labor, EVERYBODY worked. Harsh though that sounds, they then were then ‘blessed’ with enough to eat etc. So, from the origins of the US, I think this independent and adaptive mindset was, to some degree, a bit more acute, than the European one.

    The industrial revolution also aided western culture in developing this adaptive mentality, so this is not to say that somehow Europeans aren’t creative, or can’t be independent. In fact, Ann Rynd came out of the Soviet model (let’s call that Eastern Europe for a moment) and became extraordinarily independent with a complete contempt for the State. She had seen firsthand what happens when the State becomes all-powerful and all-controlling and is controlled by group-think.

    The European and American mindset is still much more flexible and adaptive than say Asia, which is perhaps a little more what I had in the back of my mind when I penned that as I’m living here now. The social ‘order’ and established economic an agricultural systems (warring and warlords aside) in Asia have been unchanged for millennia. It’s been my experience that the Asians (especially those who were raised in the native Asian environment) despite their superior intellect (and they are smarter on average than Caucasians) are crippled by the culture and struggle with creativity. These are firsthand observations and maybe everyone won’t share them, but it’s been really interesting to live and work in an entirely different culture [which allows for direct comparison]. It’s so bad here that when I was eating in a restaurant one time I did something I shouldn’t have with a green pepper (I stuck it on the grill because I thought toasted, it would go better with the Korean BBQ I was eating). A waitress saw that ran across the room, snatch the pepper from the grill, scolded me and proceeded to show me exactly how to make one of the BBQ wraps, because… there was only one way to eat it and EVERYBODY eats it exactly the same way – that was an eye opener!

    One only has to look at China and the stunning transformation from impoverished backwater to economic powerhouse by abandoning the State run enterprises and introducing capitalism to the populace. I was there a couple months ago and it really was Laissez Faire economics. Mao would be turning in his grave. There may have been some that didn’t fare well in the transformation, but skrew them! Overall the standard of living has risen for literally hundreds of millions of people. (note this economic success is independent of the commie political machine running the country because the State quit controlling it)

    In any mature society, you can get away with a bit of socialism [and we do], but that’s not to say in absolute terms that it is the most efficient, or that the net benefit to society is ‘worth’ it unless that what you want to believe. People like to refer to unbridled capitalism, and then proceed to quote where it failed – usually giving examples where crimes were committed (Bernie Madoff etc.). Capitalism only works where there is a strong rule of law and when you catch people you throw them in prison (maybe prison isn’t scary enough – at least not for white-collar crime!).

    I’ve said that I could probably support a very basic single-payer system with insurance covering a more deluxe plan, because as a society we don’t won’t babies starving or people keeling over in the streets, but I do believe we need to give everybody as much incentive to be productive as possible. The bottom of society (economically speaking) should be a bit uncomfortable, it will act to spur people to get off the arses and get to work. Another friend of mine who grew up extremely poor (I mean we are talking no toys poor!), is now worth about 25 million bucks. Rest assured that guy worked his buttocks off to get it. His poverty motivated him to get to where he is now – that’s not a bad thing.

  13. mattro53

    mattro53 said, about 5 years ago

    “It’s your fault,” cried Frick. “No, ‘tis not! It’s your fault,” responded Frack. Meanwhile the house of cards they tried to prop up with popsicle sticks collapses again while the rich and powerful sit in their fortresses on the hills, count their lucre and laugh and laugh and laugh.

  14. omQ Release the Desaparecidos

    omQ Release the Desaparecidos said, about 5 years ago

    ynnek… I’m still working on mine but your ethnocentrism seriously bugs me. You seem reasonable enough and seem to want to listen to all sides so follow Fennec’s suggestion and book out or buy James Loewen’s, “Lies my Teacher Told Me”. You may not have been persuaded one way or the other regarding most issues by anyone on this forum but perhaps this book will allow you to look back on your last post and revise it. And a little more empathy for your fellow man wouldn’t be a bad thing.

  15. treered

    treered said, about 5 years ago

    right on! Obama is doing the heavy lifting and the GOP does smack.

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