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  1. Pete Rogan

    Pete Rogan GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    There’s a reason, as Natalie Angier pointed out as early as January 2001:

    “In the beginning – or rather, at the end of a very lo-o-ng beginning – George W. Bush made an earnest acceptance speech and urged our nation to ”rise above a house divided.” He knows, he said, that ”America wants reconciliation and unity,” and that we all ”share hopes and goals and values.” After his speech he reached out, up and down and across aisles, to embrace Republicans, Democrats, Naderites, Palm Beach Buchananites, the disaffected, the disinclined.

    The only problem was what President-elect Bush wanted from me and ”every American.” ”I ask you to pray for this great nation,” he said. ”I ask your prayers for leaders from both parties,” and for their families too, while we’re at it. Whatever else I might have been inclined to think of Bush’s call for comity, with his simple little request, his assumption that prayer is some sort of miracle Vicks VapoRub for the national charley horse, it was clear that his hands were reaching for any hands but mine.”

    Let us all remember where the Great Untie-er began his work of undoing America. It will not happen again.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/14/magazine/the-bush-years-confessions-of-a-lonely-atheist.html?scp=2&sq=natalie%20angier%20atheist&st=cse

  2. mattro53

    mattro53 said, about 5 years ago

    “Dumb All Over” Frank Zappa You can’t run a country By a book of religion Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon Of foolish rules Of ancient date Designed to make You all feel great…

  3. TheBarefootBum

    TheBarefootBum said, about 5 years ago

    We band together for a number of reasons, but in no small part in reaction to the ridicule and bigotry displayed here.

  4. motivemagus

    motivemagus said, about 5 years ago

    Well, folks, I’m what used to be called a “freethinking” Catholic, who believes in individual conscience - which is, incidentally, part of Catholic belief. I think Bush was reprehensible to impose his narrow-minded and bizarre view of Christianity (torture is okay? Killing babies is wrong but killing adult prisoners isn’t? Give more money to the rich and abandon the poor? What New Testament do you read, Dubya?) on a country founded to be deliberately non-religious. The only way to be fair to all religions is for the government to endorse none. The Founding Fathers (and Abigail Adams) knew that.

  5. fritzoid

    fritzoid GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    I’m an atheist who DOES think about God, A LOT. All my life I’ve been trying to imagine what sort of God I COULD believe in. When I consider what OTHER people believe about God, their conceptions have invariably been either too vague to have any real meaning, or incompatible with the realities of existence. In today’s “Baldo”, Gracie says that she won’t reach her goals by wishing for them, she’ll reach them through hard work. I would add “praying for them” to the list of ways in which you may THINK you are contributing to peace, health, wisdom, and happiness, but which blind you to the fact that you’re doing nothing at all.

    Belief in an interventionist God is a mindset which we must abandon, and ought not to tolerate in others. A grown adult who believes in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy would rightly be considered either a fool or mentally ill. But when those in policy positions claim that “God has told me I’m doing the right thing” we’re NOT supposed to recognize that they’re delusional?

    The world will rise or it will fall through human agency. The problems facing us as a society and as individuals are not caused by the Devil, and will not be solved by waiting for Divine Intervention.

    We are all in this together. We may help ourselves, or we may help one another. But we will be waiting a LOOOOONG time before God steps in with any solutions. And those who say “God works through men, and sends help where he chooses to do so” are not giving credit where credit is due. It is PEOPLE who provide aid to one another, not God.

  6. churchillwasright

    churchillwasright said, about 5 years ago

    “…Belief in an interventionist God is a mindset which we must abandon, and ought not to tolerate in others…”

    Ah, the tolerant left…

  7. deadheadzan

    deadheadzan GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    The separation of church and state is key here. Atheists are discriminated against in the sense that most people at this time would not vote for one to hold public office. This should not be a factor if you truly believe in the separation of church and state.

  8. dtroutma

    dtroutma GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    The separation of church and state is the key. It isn’t what you do or don’t believe, but the fact you can’t force it on anyone else. Whether golf, or God, or godless, fanatics accepting only their views as truth, make any position dangerous.

  9. Michigander

    Michigander said, about 5 years ago

    Losing faith in about everything, I believe is one of the messages here.

  10. dwyant

    dwyant said, about 5 years ago

    “The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.” Psalm 14:1

  11. fritzoid

    fritzoid GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    dwyant, you might also have used “No one is blinder than he who will not see.” Funny thing, though; that quote is like “The devil himself can quote scripture to suit his purposes” – it cuts both ways.

  12. Cynthia

    Cynthia GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    Motive says: The only way to be fair to all religions is for the government to endorse none.

    Very good post.

    I’m a buddhist and budhism is essentially agnostic when it comes to who made the Universe and why. That’s why many consider it a philosophy and, as my university teacher puts it, an atheistic religion. (That’s the loophole that allows me to keep my catholic baptism so the BF and I can be married catholic).

    I do believe one should live according to the Dharma and the Buddha’s teaching. Do I think they should be pressured or obligated to do so? No.

    I believe there is a creator God. Do I believe everyone has to believe that? No (and that wasn’t always the case up here in French Canada, as late as the 1950’s).

    I believe the right thing to do for most pregnant women is to keep her child. Do I think she should be obligated to do so? No.

  13. tetsuo29a

    tetsuo29a said, about 5 years ago

    I’m a regular Ted Rall reader and normally I love his stuff. But, this comic is just wrong, so wrong that I had to go to his website, get his email address, and send him a note. Also, so wrong that I would also like to post the email I sent him as a comment here:

    Hi. I love your comics. Most of the time you are spot on and giving it to both the right and the left while being hilarious at the same time.

    You’re May 16, 2009 comic on atheism, however misses the point entirely. It is funny, but, the point that it seems to be making is that atheists are somehow disingenuous if they choose to espouse their convictions and to form communities. It’s like you’re trying to say that only theists should form communities. Well, unfortunately, you’re just simply wrong about this.

    I was raised as a Mormon. It took me 24 years to figure out what a twisted wreck of deceptions Mormonism is. But, once I left Mormonism, there was a void in my life- and that void was community. So, I sought community without dogmatism. I spent a decade attending a Unitarian Universalist congregation. The UUs do a pretty good job of building a church-like community where anyone who is open minded can come and be together. It was only after I saw the politics of the place, realizing that the minister was running the show and subverting the democratic process (something that UUs hold dear), that I decided to take a sabbatical from my UU congregation. But, I still wanted community, and this time I wanted community with atheists. So I sought out the local atheist group. It’s been two years now, and it’s not as big or exciting of a community as the UU congregation, but it’s growing and getting better.

    I hope you’ll forgive me for indulging in sharing a little of my personal history. I only hoped that telling a little of my story might help you see that the point that you’re making in your comic was flawed. It was funny, but flawed.

    Also, if non-golfers were subjected to the daily barrage of pro-golf propaganda like the pro-religion propagand that we non-theists are subjected to daily in the U.S., you would see communities of non-golfers spring up- if only so that the non-golfers could commiserate with each other about how sick and tired they are of hearing about golf. The addage about misery loving company doesn’t always mean that miserable people will try to make others miserable. Sometimes it means that we seek out others who know our pain so that we can support one another.

    Thanks for listening. Keep up the good work. And, please, consider printing a retraction.

  14. fritzoid

    fritzoid GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    And belief in a creator god is not the same as belief in an interventionist god. The Deists believed that a god of some sort existed, and was the prime mover, but that attempts to understand the nature and intentions of that god were doomed by the limitations of human capacity. Jefferson put together his own edition of “The Life and Wisdom of Jesus of Nazareth” or something like that (a/k/a “The Jeffersonian Bible”), where he cut out all the bits about miracles and heaven and left in the parables and preachings. Of course, it ends with Jesus’s death on the cross.

    Using the Bible (or any text based on metaphysics) to illustrate ethical behavior is fine; we use Aesop’s fables, fairy tales, Shakespeare’s plays, etc. for much the same purposes. But to believe that the text is the SOURCE of morality, or that it is an infallible guide to history, cosmology, psychology, criminal justice, etc. is delusional. As a chronical of events leading to the founding and history of the Jews and Jerusalem, it is incomplete, and deeply flawed in much of what it says. As a science text, it is ridiculous. And it’s the people who believe it’s a predictor of FUTURE occurrences that are too dangerous to be allowed to roam the streets. Or even VOTE, for that matter. Anyone who thinks that things should be allowed to get worse and worse because that means we’re closer to the fulfillment of God’s plan should NEVER be allowed to occupy a policy-making position. Anyone who’s LOOKING FORWARD to Armageddon must not be allowed the power to bring it about. As the foundation of a moral system, the Bible (both Testaments) is maddeningly unclear; at least Aesop clearly marked out the MORAL of each of his stories, whereas theologians must “interpret” the scriptures which they believe are the infallible word of God.

    What about the sacrifice by Jephthah of his virgin daughter, to fulfill an oath to God? Are we to believe that Jephthah acted righteously in doing this? If we believe God says “You must kill this person”, are we obliged to obey? 99.9999% of those people who claim to hear God’s voice telling them what to do are psychotics or con-men, and I have no reason to believe the other 00.0001% are speaking truth either.

    Anyone who reaches adulthood believing that the Earth is 6,000 years old, that we’re descended from Adam and Eve in Eden, that God hates masturbation, that homosexuals are a abomination because that’s what Grandma done read me from the Bible, I regard as a failure of our responsibilities to educate the populus. While parents are allowed to pull their children from Biology class because their children are being taught evolution, or from Physics class because they’re being taught that the universe is billions of years old and Earth is not its center, or from Sex Ed because they’re being taught that condoms can prevent babies and that homosexuals are human beings too, then we are allowing parents to abuse their children by instilling their OWN superstitious ignorance in the next generation. I don’t think we should close the churches and outlaw religion, but we should forbid religious instruction to children, rightly considering it child abuse. If they reach eighteen and still think they need to believe in God, let them start going then. We do not permit parents to poison their children’s bodies, why should we permit them to poison their minds?

    I don’t recall who said it but “Everybody disbelieves in almost every god that has ever been put forward for the job. We atheists just take it one god further than most.”

  15. deadheadzan

    deadheadzan GoComics PRO Member said, about 5 years ago

    I’m a Unitarian Universalist, pantheist. My congregation consists of atheists, and pagans and those that are moved by Bhuddism, and those that are more like gnostic Christians. It’s all part of the mix. Anyway we have the freedom to explore what we have learned in our journey as individuals and share this with our fellow members. It makes for good dialog because of all the different view points.

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