Dark Side of the Horse by Samson

Dark Side of the Horse

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  1. Nabuquduriuzhur

    Nabuquduriuzhur said, over 3 years ago

    What’s funny about that is, despite the stereotype, phosphates are typically the limiting factor in lacustrine productivity. (Nitrates are normally not the limiting factor on lake plantlife.)
    That being said, putting phosphates in a eutrophic lake will cause problems like algal blooms and kills fish. Klamath Lake is a classic example of high nutrient loadings causing algal blooms. Blooms die off, water becomes anoxic, and you get fish dying off. Fish species like suckers that can survive in low oxygen environments tend to dominate. (No one’s introduced catfish or carp in the lake, fortunately, as it’s likely they’d take over.)
    However, put phosphates in an oligotrophic lake (most around this area are of that category), and it’s likely to increase the overall health of the lake, both in aquatic plants and in the fish that eat them.

  2. Q4horse

    Q4horse said, over 3 years ago

    Horace, did you spill some oil?

  3. InTraining

    InTraining said, over 3 years ago

    Did Horace take a job…. with the government….? ! ?

  4. Saskfan

    Saskfan said, over 3 years ago

    Horace: You’re doin’ it wrong.

  5. Simon_Jester

    Simon_Jester said, over 3 years ago


    The possibility of caffish getting loose in Upper Klamath lake in not so far fetched. Brown Bullhead have been releases in several other lakes in that part of the country, Antelope Flat Reservoir had to be poisoned out and re-stocked two years ago for just that reason.

    The cause of this is folks who are known in the trade as ‘bucket biologists’…people who ain’t gonna let the dang-durn goverment tell THEM what kind of fish they can have in THEIR lakes.

  6. DAZZ

    DAZZ said, over 3 years ago

    I agree, not a good idea, Horace. The problems of waterways are mostly human caused, even with some good intentions.
    @Gymshoe, I just told Dry I’d answer her here (I knew one friend from BS played here, but it’s you, not her).

    I am starting a new diet for a year as vegetarian and just discussed beginning details with my Dr yesterday. Based on his latest blood work, the first month I will also abstain from gluten as well as all fruit (even tomato) and alcohol as well. It is a good thing that I am such a strong willed person because I realize this would be difficult for many and I am a normally very self-indulgent person. I WILL be on the rest of the diet as of today, but I will not throw out the fresh fruits in my frig, so that part will start with the emptying of the frig. Egg white omelet is good with sweet grape tomatoes (and my custom mix of cayenne/tumeric/ginger).

  7. Dry and Dusty

    Dry and Dusty GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    Wow DAZZ. You must be strong. I don’t think I could do that. I’m assuming over time you will be adding fruit back into your diet? How will you get a balanced diet? Supplements? Will you be allowed 100% juices and such? I know how difficult it is to eat that way, esp. if you live in an area where you can’t buy the types of food needed for the diet. You should have no problem, but here in Central PA, it can be a challenge. I say this because my oldest son is Vegan. Most people think that’s a strange way to eat, but if they did their research, they would see just what all Vegans do eat. The problem comes at holidays, so I make a Turkey or Ham and a Tofurkey! :-D My store orders me in the Tofurkey.

  8. Sherlock Watson

    Sherlock Watson said, over 3 years ago

    The Tide will soon be in, so Horace had better give it his All.
    (Curious to know how many outside the US will get that.)

  9. DAZZ

    DAZZ said, over 3 years ago

    @Dry and Dusty

    Yes, I’ll be adding at least some fruit as he sees fit, especially the less sweet (apples, lime and tomato). And yes, I already had some supplements and he added 9 more (taken at various time of day, but after breakfast I have a total of 16 individual things). I think I may not travel during this, because eating out will not be as predictable or sharable. I will gradually develop better recipes, based on some online and in my books. I have both Whole Foods and Sprouts stores (mostly 7-10 miles from my house) and even Albertson’s (very near) has most grains and vegetables (and I buy paper goods etc there, too). I’ll continue to make most of my food from basic ingredients.

  10. DAZZ

    DAZZ said, over 3 years ago

    Time to make my eggwhite omelet (using up some of the grape tomatoes) with a romaine salad tossed with some of my dill vinaigrette (left over from a bean salad).

  11. DAZZ

    DAZZ said, over 3 years ago

    @ Sherlock, I doubt many, but at least those of us in US do ;-D

  12. Jkiss

    Jkiss GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    If you want to brighten things up Horace, you should wait till DAWN.

  13. bmonk

    bmonk said, over 3 years ago

    I hope Horace is using an organic detergent if he wants a natural shine to the water.

  14. Shikamoo!

    Shikamoo! GoComics PRO Member said, over 3 years ago

    That’s not helping, Horace, unless that is biodegradable soap.

  15. Nabuquduriuzhur

    Nabuquduriuzhur said, over 3 years ago

    re: dillio9000

    Most water bodies and streams in the Pacific Northwest are oligotrophic, lacking nutrients. For example, when canoeing on Charlton lake and Waldo lake one can see the bottom plainly despite the 70’ and 400’ depths and few plants survive. Many lakes are effectively sterile from lack of nutrients. Even Klamath Lake has some nearly sterile areas like Mare’s Egg Spring, which has bluegreen algae that are decades old due to slow growth. Rather than write up with something from scratch, here’s examples from one of my books, using standard methods. (I used to work for NMFS with SONCC and sensitive species such as summer steelhead and spring chinook in the mid Klamath. Many of the EAs, BAs, large portions of EISs, etc. in the early 2000s were written by me). National Wave of Foolishness, Volume 2, pages 171-172:
    " States are arbitrarily reducing phosphates in detergents, despite the results of that. These folks need to actually crack open a book on sewage treatment. Little things like secondary sewage treatment— those lagoons that birds love?— drastically reduced phosphates and nitrates discharged decades ago in most locations. (There seems to be some confusion as to whether lagoons are tertiary treatment or secondary, as I’ve found both in recent references. Whatever they are called, lagoons remove phosphates and nitrates.)
    A member of an activist group in a 2011 interview spoke enthusiastically about a “12 parts per billion” drop in phosphates in water supposedly from banning them in detergents. Let’s explore that. First, 12 parts per billion is an incredibly small number. Second, if it’s an actual statistic, a drop that small can be from many causes. Third, are we talking about the sewage discharge dropping 12ppb or an entire water body?
    To give an idea of how numbers like that work, if an entire lake averages 12ppb, it has a Carlson’s Trophic State Index of 40, or is mesotrophic, and one can see a Secci disk to about 4m. From a nutrient standpoint, it’s productive for plants and thus fish. If a drop was from, say, 24ppb to 12ppb in a large lake that’s a drop from a CTSI of 50 to 40. A larger population of fish is supported at 50 vs. 40, but it’s not a terrific difference.
    If 12ppb is the discharge from a sewage system into a large volume of water, such as a river or lake, the concentration in the river or lake as a result of a 12ppb treated sewage inflow tends to end up being pretty small due to dilution. Does a concentration change in water that small somehow justify having to use greater amounts of detergent to clean the dishes, which wastes enormous amounts of water (the “substitutes” frequently require multiple washings) and causes other pollution problems like excess sodium and other chemicals in the wastewater? The increase in water use and the increase in other pollutants resulting from less phosphate in detergent seems to be being ignored in the mania to reduce phosphates to zero.
    What is fascinating is that water can be “too clean” for aquatic life. Phosphorus is frequently the “limiting” nutrient. Too little and you have lakes like Crater Lake or Waldo Lake that don’t support many fish because of the lack of aquatic plants, which are supported by phosphates and nitrates.
    Klamath Lake is the opposite extreme: too many nutrients. Klamath Lake feeds a lot of gook into the Klamath River. Because of the high nutrient loadings from agricultural runoff around the Lake, even many miles downstream at the Klamath River’s convergence with the Shasta River, the green water of the Klamath River is almost opaque. Anadromous fish returning upstream would literally “island hop” from cooler clear water at the mouths of streams to the next “patch” of clear water.
    On the flip side, the eutrophic Lake feeds enormous populations of arthropods, which are eaten by birds and other organisms. Almost all attention has been on fish in the Klamath System; wouldn’t it be the crowning irony if cleaning up the Lake endangered a species?"

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