First check to see if it is a for profit school. Here is a tip for you, if you see a lot of adds for them on TV, they probably are for profit and not for academia.
Yep, when corporate America decided it was cheaper to farm the good jobs out to cheaper places to live, like India, it did make things a bit difficult back home where they were charging twice as much for everything.
I’ve lived as a expat, and I KNOW the same car from the same company bought in a wealthy foreign country like Kuwait is much cheaper.
Americans are the best trained consumers on the planet.
The last time I checked, it was the GOP that was trying to eliminate all academic standards in favor of “home schooling” or returning the decision to local districts. They support teaching such fiction as Intelligent Design and discounting established science. Conservatives want to teach factionalized American and World history rather than allowing students to learn from the mistakes of the past. How far away are we from the right-wing nut jobs mandating that 1 + 1 must now equal 3? Not far.
What’s going to happen is that as people, especially working-class ones, decide college is to “woke” or some such nonsense (you REALLY think math or chemistry profs are doing “liberal indoctrination?”), or because even some community colleges have become prohibitively expensive, there will be a shortage of college-educated people needed to do the jobs where a degree is needed.
You can make real good money with just a high-school diploma, say as a skilled tradesman. But most of the job paths for people with no education beyond high school won’t get you into the middle-middle class, even.
This is so True, Harvard’s motto used to be God and Truth, not it is just Truth. Without God, there is no truth and no wisdom. Truth is I find people with faith have more wisdom and are more rational than all those who who talk about reason any day.
Following the comments made in this forum daily proves Goodwyn’s point about the quality of higher education. As for costs, who wants to pay more for less?
A liberal arts degree used to be a way to explore the vast possibilities available and exposure to various outlooks on life. Now?; that seems cost prohibitive. One could easily get a liberal and conservative view on the www. Still caveat emptor though.
Such a big topic. I’ve taught at the college level for many years. In general I find that the students are not well prepared. I don’t blame the students. By the time they get to college, it’s too late for the remedial work they need. If we want to improve education, we should start at the elementary level. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is not the lack of standards, it’s the lack of excitement. Little kids, in general, like to learn stuff, but there’s something about the school system that makes learning seem dull.
I do believe this cartoon is in reference to all of the diploma mills out there, past, present, and future. Believe it or not, there are more than the one that is the major topic of discussion here. My wife was the victim of one that is local to where we are living.Course credits couldn’t be transferred to an accredited university or even Jr. college. Another case of taking paper and ink and putting them together in a manner that makes them worthless.
Utterly baseless. I earned my bachelor’s degrees in 1980. I earned my MBA in 1984. I earned my first doctorate (a PhD in Higher Education) in 2003, and my second doctorate (Doctor of Social Science) in 2015. I’ve been a faculty member of seven universities and I currently have a university as a client of my consulting practice. NO, standards have NOT changed over that time. This is garbage.
Al, my man — I note that you put a translation under the Latin, I think most of our educated betters will just unleash an irrelevant anti-Trump diatribe as this cartoon is spot on. I will put it this way: “Si hoc legere potes, nimium eruditionis habes!” Then again, since it has been decades since I learned Latin (poorly) in high school, I’m glad you are able to put a zinger in their shorts. All my best and keep it up!
knutdl 8 months ago
USA today?
David_the_CAD 8 months ago
First check to see if it is a for profit school. Here is a tip for you, if you see a lot of adds for them on TV, they probably are for profit and not for academia.
B 8671 8 months ago
Sadly, a degree nowadays does not always guarantee a good paying job.
braindead Premium Member 8 months ago
Goodwyn still has not heard that His Messiah has been indicted.
GOGOPOWERANGERS 8 months ago
Must be the Al goodwyn standard
Mats Dahlgren Premium Member 8 months ago
PRESENT seems to be Trump University….
Odon Premium Member 8 months ago
The assumption that a college grad, of any decade, automatically had character and knowledge is in error.
old1953 8 months ago
Yep, when corporate America decided it was cheaper to farm the good jobs out to cheaper places to live, like India, it did make things a bit difficult back home where they were charging twice as much for everything.
I’ve lived as a expat, and I KNOW the same car from the same company bought in a wealthy foreign country like Kuwait is much cheaper.
Americans are the best trained consumers on the planet.
baroden Premium Member 8 months ago
The last time I checked, it was the GOP that was trying to eliminate all academic standards in favor of “home schooling” or returning the decision to local districts. They support teaching such fiction as Intelligent Design and discounting established science. Conservatives want to teach factionalized American and World history rather than allowing students to learn from the mistakes of the past. How far away are we from the right-wing nut jobs mandating that 1 + 1 must now equal 3? Not far.
brit-ed 8 months ago
Is the one on the right Trump-U?
DangerMan 8 months ago
What’s going to happen is that as people, especially working-class ones, decide college is to “woke” or some such nonsense (you REALLY think math or chemistry profs are doing “liberal indoctrination?”), or because even some community colleges have become prohibitively expensive, there will be a shortage of college-educated people needed to do the jobs where a degree is needed.
You can make real good money with just a high-school diploma, say as a skilled tradesman. But most of the job paths for people with no education beyond high school won’t get you into the middle-middle class, even.
piper_gilbert 8 months ago
Trump University! Al got around to it finally.
The Dem Veteran 8 months ago
This is the result of for profit colleges. A money making operation will be reluctant to fail a paying customer
Valiant1943 Premium Member 8 months ago
Does anyone know why Trump threatened the university he went to with a lawsuit if they released his records?
s49nav 8 months ago
“Academic standards” – The ultimate oxymoron.
Jack7528 8 months ago
This is so True, Harvard’s motto used to be God and Truth, not it is just Truth. Without God, there is no truth and no wisdom. Truth is I find people with faith have more wisdom and are more rational than all those who who talk about reason any day.
Ontman 8 months ago
OK Goodwyn, you dug your hole. Now cover yourself up.
The Nodding Head 8 months ago
Some home schooling and charter schools are jokes — both expensively supported by Republicans.
Al Fresco 8 months ago
Following the comments made in this forum daily proves Goodwyn’s point about the quality of higher education. As for costs, who wants to pay more for less?
Judge Magney 8 months ago
Is this Goodwyn’s take on Ron DeSantis’s revamping of Florida’s higher education system. If not, it should be.
klbdds 8 months ago
A liberal arts degree used to be a way to explore the vast possibilities available and exposure to various outlooks on life. Now?; that seems cost prohibitive. One could easily get a liberal and conservative view on the www. Still caveat emptor though.
aristoclesplato9 8 months ago
Zero students that graduated from 13 Baltimore high schools were proficient in math. Then the Dems want to send them to college for free.
smartgrr 8 months ago
Yeah, he went to Trump U
charliekane 8 months ago
Did that one on the right come from FG/FG’s university?
Phoenix83 8 months ago
Sad, but treu
OPINION – CNBC WORKThe future of work won’t be about college degrees, it will be about job skills — CNBCWork
lonecat 8 months ago
Such a big topic. I’ve taught at the college level for many years. In general I find that the students are not well prepared. I don’t blame the students. By the time they get to college, it’s too late for the remedial work they need. If we want to improve education, we should start at the elementary level. The biggest problem, in my opinion, is not the lack of standards, it’s the lack of excitement. Little kids, in general, like to learn stuff, but there’s something about the school system that makes learning seem dull.
justanudderpeeon 8 months ago
I do believe this cartoon is in reference to all of the diploma mills out there, past, present, and future. Believe it or not, there are more than the one that is the major topic of discussion here. My wife was the victim of one that is local to where we are living.Course credits couldn’t be transferred to an accredited university or even Jr. college. Another case of taking paper and ink and putting them together in a manner that makes them worthless.
Rich Douglas 8 months ago
Utterly baseless. I earned my bachelor’s degrees in 1980. I earned my MBA in 1984. I earned my first doctorate (a PhD in Higher Education) in 2003, and my second doctorate (Doctor of Social Science) in 2015. I’ve been a faculty member of seven universities and I currently have a university as a client of my consulting practice. NO, standards have NOT changed over that time. This is garbage.
fjblume2000 8 months ago
Al, my man — I note that you put a translation under the Latin, I think most of our educated betters will just unleash an irrelevant anti-Trump diatribe as this cartoon is spot on. I will put it this way: “Si hoc legere potes, nimium eruditionis habes!” Then again, since it has been decades since I learned Latin (poorly) in high school, I’m glad you are able to put a zinger in their shorts. All my best and keep it up!