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Tom Toles for September 15, 2010

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  1. Big dipper
    SuperGriz  over 10 years ago

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    Thursday’s Toles is here:

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    rottenprat  over 10 years ago

    Love the sketch pad!

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    Doughfoot  over 10 years ago

    Ah, the Fair Tax.

    Spend your money on clothes, or a new car, and you are taxed.

    Spend your money on second-hand goods, and you are not taxed: second-hand goods like Rembrandts, real estate (all real estate is second-hand), antique furniture, classic automobiles, or rare coins, and voila, no tax.

    No tax if you spend your money on long trips to Bermuda or the Bahamas, the Riviera, or anywhere outside the United States. The ‘fair tax’ would be perfect for people who make their money in the US and live mostly elsewhere. All the benefits of US citizenship, and none of the pesky burdens.

    I understand the ‘fair tax’ is only to be applied at the retail level. Perhaps you can also avoid it if you can buy wholesale.

    Oh, if you have lots of the money the ‘fair tax’ is certain ‘fair’ – ‘fair’ as in ‘beautiful’.

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    crlinder  over 10 years ago

    harley,

    Nice name (propaganda-wise), but a poor descriptor. Flat taxes are not fair.

    Consider a 10% flat tax and its effects on a person earning $40,000, vs. $400,000 or $4,000,000. No reasonable person is going to say that the earners are “hurt” equally by that sort of tax.

    Progressive taxes are more fair because the tax rates are marginal (you only pay the higher rate on income above certain levels). They ensure only the folks most able to pay are paying on only the higher levels of their income that will not affect their ability to just make ends meet.

    Interestingly, this sort of thinking goes back to some of the earliest economic thought, including both the old and the new testaments.

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    4uk4ata  over 10 years ago

    “the rich can afford more so therefore they should have to pay more taxes–the liberal creed.”

    Well, if the rich carry less of the burden this means other people have to pick up their slack, that’s the problem with the “fairness”. The rich are already richer, and the income gap has been growing steadily, so I don’t think they need any help.

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    WarBush  over 10 years ago

    ^I love it how these guys create the worst type of legislation and sugar coat it with a fancy title. See Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, and Medicare Part D.

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    crlinder  over 10 years ago

    HOW,

    You didn’t address the central issue of fairness in my example. A person earning $40K has only $36K to live on after a 10% flat tax. A person living on $400K has $360K. Why should the $40K earner be put in that position when the $400K earner is not really burdened in any significant sense?

    There are jobs that only pay $40K but that are necessary to the functioning of our society. Why should a person doing an essential, low-paying job suffer when another person who will not suffer due to a marginal higher tax rate pays more? If you’re willing to raise the wages of the lower wage earners so they can still make ends meet under a flat tax, you might have an argument for your point of view.

    BTW, check out Acts in the new testament. The earliest followers of Christ set up communities that were essentially communist. I’m not arguing for that in the U.S., but I always wonder why Christians ignore the actions of the first followers. Don’t you suppose their economic egalitarianism is more likely to be a reflection of Christ’s teachings (since they were most directly in contact with him) than where we are today?

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    raycity  over 10 years ago

    Maybe a 5% cut in government programs .Less spending is the only way out.

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    jhouck99  over 10 years ago

    “the rich can afford more so therefore they should have to pay more taxes–the liberal creed”

    That is the price they pay for their success. It’s not like we’re asking to go back to the Golden ’50s when the top rate was over 90%…

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    Jaedabee Premium Member over 10 years ago

    “Interestingly, this sort of thinking goes back to some of the earliest economic thought, including both the old and the new testaments.”

    And also to an older/younger version of John McCain.

    The greatest tax burden really, percentage wise, is on the middle class. When one of the richest people in the world pays less in tax percentage, without cheating, than his secretary, there’re issues.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2007/oct/17/john-edwards/rich-man-low-tax/

    Speaking at a $4,600-a-seat fundraiser in New York for Senator Hillary Clinton, Mr Buffett, who is worth an estimated $52 billion (£26 billion), said: “The 400 of us [here] pay a lower part of our income in taxes than our receptionists do, or our cleaning ladies, for that matter. If you’re in the luckiest 1 per cent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 per cent.” http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/tax/article1996735.ece

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    iamthelorax  over 10 years ago

    No one wants to snicker at “you have the kind of foxhole I like to be in”? These are the comics people!!!!

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    WarBush  over 10 years ago

    Roll back the Reagan Tax Cuts!!!!

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    Jaedabee Premium Member over 10 years ago

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    Oh teh noes… but that would be altering the Constitution…. Don’t hate on our Constitution. It’s perfect, n’junk.

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    WarBush  over 10 years ago

    I.Q.3,000,000 our tax code worked from the new deal (with a few modifications) til Reagan destroyed it with his premanent tax cuts. Why don’t we simply go back to the old tax code instead of re-inventing the wheel? The old tax code made C.E.O.s act like C.E.O.s.

    The new tax code had turned C.E.O.s into shareholders. What does that do? It makes them cut jobs, buy more businesses to increase the company’s value (mergers and aquisitions) and if they are selling goods send the jobs to foreign nations and make exponential profits. By doing all that their stocks go up and thus their bonuses, compensation pay, and carried interest* are huge!

    “The poor stay poor because of what they do, not how much they make.”

    And you know what’s making them poor? The guys at the top who do exactly as I’ve explained. We’ve basically gone from an economy that makes cars to an economy that washes cars (manufracturing to service for those who don’t know). Eventually the cars are gonna need to be replaced and since we don’t make cars here (we assemble them) our economy is in the tank!

    “You can not change that. ”

    Sure you can! Stop giving tax breaks to people who ship jobs overseas, go back to pre-Reagan tax code, jail anyone who hires illegal immigrants, and the middle class will be on the way to recovery! And re-regulate the big institutions that have put us in this hole in the first place! Its so simple a Former Alaskan Governor can do it!

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    WarBush  over 10 years ago

    B.T.W. the fair tax sux! See posts by Doughfoot and Craig Linder.

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    WarBush  over 10 years ago

    ^Again, He dropped the tax rate that was at 90% to 70% because there were a lot of loop holes associated with the 90% income bracket. Being a rich guy himself he knew what the tax game was all about.

    But then again you’re immune to facts.

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    SherriannPederson  over 10 years ago

    Down The Rabbit Hole lyrics

    Break out all the mechanical Step right up to the freaky intangible Hands uncuffed, take the leash off this animal If it’s getting hyphy hit me with a night-c (yeah) Slip right into your stripper shoes Roll the dice, I got snake eyes and deja vu Poppin off and I’m bouncing with ballyhoo Tune in (tune in) Turn on (turn on) Drop out

    Going down the rabbit hole Get away from all we know Come on, follow Come on and follow me Going down the rabbit hole Even hoes and gigolos Come on, follow Come on and follow me

    Quick slow high or low You’re never gonna know for sure See in stereo Down the rabbit hole

    Catnip and honey, teatime and all over town (all over town, all over town) houses of candy, build ‘em up and then burn ‘em down (burn em down, just burn em down) it melts in your face and not in your armour It starts in the bass and it ends in the crystal ball

    Going down the rabbit hole Get away from all we know Come on, follow Come on and follow me Going down the rabbit hole Even hoes and gigolos Come on, follow Come on and follow me

    Disco rodeo In my kaleidoscope Cleopatra knows What’s down the rabbit hole

    Going down the rabbit hole Get away from all we know Come on, follow Come on and follow me Going down the rabbit hole Even hoes and gigolos Come on, follow Come on and follow me

    Quick slow high or low You’re never gonna know for sure See in stereo Down the rabbit hole

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    pirate227  over 10 years ago

    “Footsie soldier”

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    4uk4ata  over 10 years ago

    “JFK, a Democrat, gave The Top 1% a huge Tax Cut”

    Right, was it to 75%? And right now their speakers are wringing their hands at how terrible 39.6% would be. Oh, the horror! The unspeakable yoke! The devastation! How can even a democrat live with that!

    We are being whined and dined magnificently here. It is as if taxes have never been higher, and the poor guys are facing an act never before dared in history. Yeah, right, pull the other one. Sorry, but if you are making millions, you’re not exactly going to die hungry just by paying your taxes. I’m not sure if the US can afford continuing the Bush cuts at all, but the talk about how dreadful it would be to let them expire for the high earners is almost nauseating.

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    Dtroutma  over 10 years ago

    They call them “fighting holes” now. NO way you’d catch Bush/Cheney or any of their folks who started our wars in one. Now, the hot tub? Theirs are still filled with champagne.

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    seablood  over 10 years ago

    I’m currently living in Buffalo,NY. When I first moved here I was struck by the town’s seeming mediocrity. One exception was Tom Toles, who at the time was working in Buffalo. Tom made me proud to be in Buffalo—-that’s how good he was! Sadly, he left for greener pastures.. Now that Madman Carl Paladino has put Buffalo back on the (shudder) map, we need Tom’ s witty commentary more than ever.

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