Stuart Carlson for January 18, 2011

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    meetinthemiddle  over 11 years ago

    ^”I am waiting for some real creative killing from some of the disillusioned returning vets with car bomb knowledge. ”

    Ummm… wouldn’t that count as Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols?

    Banning clips more than 10 rounds would also have created more openings for those brave people who jumped Jared

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    claudiusmath  over 11 years ago

    “What if that guy had run down those people with his car , would we then out law cars ?”

    Moot point. You can’t run down 20 people with a car. Besides, who would even try given that you can get yourself a handgun with 32 bullets per clip?

    And why do you need “something bigger than a pea shooter”? Do you really need to go on a homicidal rampage?

    But come on! This is a satire.

    Someone did make that statement and putting it in a screw ball drawing makes you laugh or at least begs the question: does anyone really believe this? Is it remotely connected to facts regarding self-defense incidents? I leave that open because I don’t have the precise answers.

    Pax vobiscum.

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    Motivemagus  over 11 years ago

    I’m still waiting for someone who takes out 30 random people in a crowd with a knife. After all, it’s people, not guns, right…?

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    OmqR-3.0  over 11 years ago

    ^ Not that I’m for lax gun controls (au contraire), but it has already happened in China. Ok, it was a nursery/primary school. It’s the mentally ill people. Unfortunately, they do seem able to get their hands on guns anyway. Or large kitchen knives. However, if we could restrict access to guns, the ability to inflict many fatal casaulties drops.

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    kreole  over 11 years ago

    It was the case of a mentally ill person. The issue of gun control will fade away.

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    beenthere41  over 11 years ago

    Whatever the law is or becomes, can we at least stop calling it a “clip” and use the right term, “magazine”? And ten is a random number anyway. Limiting the size of the magazine does nothing but frustrate the legitimate action shooter whose goal is to hit a large number of targets in a short amount of time. If you think 31 rounds is a large number, try this one:

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    Simon_Jester  over 11 years ago

    Tell me human…WHY are you so sure of what happened in that crowd? Were you there at the time? Did you know Someone who was?

    What’s really disturbing is that your sermonette about Timothy McVeigh contains several words of praise, at least one apologia on his part, ( Ruby Ridge..and WHAT neighbors of his were killed by the Feds? )…but not one word of condemation for his actions,

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    Nighthawks Premium Member over 11 years ago

    you’re right Simon. disturbing is the word; an analytically impersonal comment on the Oklahoma City Bombing complete with admiration and sympathy for the murderer. ……we can only hope that this kind of nutcase talk is just that. Somebody who wants to be different and say outrageous things to get attention.

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    eepatte  over 11 years ago

    It’s ammonium nitrate, not ammonia nitrate. It was one of the primary ingredients used to blow up the computer center in Madison, WI back during the Viet Nam war. It is used in industrial “agriculture” as an excellent source of nitrogen.

    Unfortunately, when mixed with one easily obtained ingredient, it is a powerful explosive and it is not shock or blasting cap sensitive. That makes it easy to transport safely. It does, however, require a “booster” to detonate. A blasting cap will not detonate it, so you need some dynamite or plastic explosive around the blasting cap to blow it up.

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    Motivemagus  over 11 years ago

    No, it won’t, kreole. This just re-energized the discussion we have too little of in the US: Is this kind of massacre an acceptable price for the level of gun control (i.e., very little) that we have? And should we allow the NRA to dictate both sides of that discussion?

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    ajhil  over 11 years ago

    The murder rate may be at a transient low, but at 10,000 homicides per year, it’s still the highest in the world. One thing’s undeniable: if guns could not be obtained, then people couldn’t use them to kill each other. The gun lobby has spent nearly a century fighting effective gun legislation and flooding the country with deadly weapons. The result: as the events in Tucson demonstrated once again, no one is safe. I’ve had it with the insane circular argument that we must tolerate more guns, because there are already so many of then in existence. Let’s spend a few decades working to eliminate guns from society altogether. We can’t be worse off than we are now! I say, let the half-wits and wierdos who are hung up on guns get their thrills from video games. That way they can blast away to their hearts’ content, slaughtering millions without harming the rest of us. A sane society would do that, but, alas, I doubt we will. The asylum’s being run by its inmates.

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    josefw  over 11 years ago


    Because Carlson is incapable of logic.

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    runar  over 11 years ago

    If you can’t defend yourself from an attacker (which is one of the principal reasons given for owning handguns) with the number of shots in a standard clip, you’re probably too inept to deserve to own a gun in the first place.

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    Dtroutma  over 11 years ago

    Ammonium nitrate and diesel fuel does make one of the most potent explosives out there, but it’s bulky. Every time we get a “mass” killing- even just 6 people, it IS a tragedy, but misses the point that even with “down figures” we had 16,000 HOMICIDES with guns last year of record. Suicides were another 15,000 or so, with guns. A little smokeless powder, lead/copper bullets, and a nut combine to form a very dangerous and explosive device.

    A Glock, or Colt, or Smith and Wesson, or SIG, or Mauser, or Ruger offer a selection of compact vessels to transport and distribute hate, violence and crime– there is absolutely no sane reason to regulate them. **

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    CorosiveFrog Premium Member over 11 years ago

    Gun control…gun control…

    How about learning to live together without killing each other like people in civilized countries do?

    Turn down the paranoia a few notches.

    Guns were the answer during the American revolution, but it’s been over for two d@rn centuries!!! Before 9/11 (with all due respect for the 9/11 victims, there were worse tragedies with more deaths in history), the last attack of americans on american mainland by foreigners was during the war of 1812 and yet ever since I remember watching american politics, someone screams “invasion”, “socialist dictatorship” or “take our country back” every five minutes!

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    rockngolfer  over 11 years ago

    ^ Hiding a hippo, or disguising one? That which is seen can not be unseen, my eyes are burning…

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    BrianCrook  over 11 years ago

    Just a small amount of the blood on the hands of the gun-lusters:

    January 16th:“14 year old shot at Melbourne apartment”

    January 16th: “Woman, 23, Recovering From Gunshot Wound To Throat”

    January 15th: “Teen Shot Then Dumped At Wilkinsburg Gas Station”

    January 15th: “Selma police search for shooting suspect”

    January 14th: “Sarasota police investigating officer-involved shooting”

    January 18th: “Cash Reward Still Being Offered In Two Different Shooting Investigations”

    January 18th: “Two Hurt In Accidental L.A. School Shooting”

    There are dozens more articles. These are just a few results of the current violent misreading of the Second Amendment.

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    runar  over 11 years ago

    Check out this article. Gun ownership doesn’t change a thing.

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    rockngolfer  over 11 years ago

    ^ That is why red Corvettes were invented.

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    RunninOnEmpty  over 11 years ago

    If we followed the “well regulated militia” clause of the 2nd Amendment, all gun owners would be required to register with the National Guard or local police, and to report for duty in emergencies.

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    riley05  over 11 years ago

    This is the fourth thread (that I’ve seen) in which mdavis4183 has expressed his feelings that we have an acceptable gun murder rate.

    One can only wonder why he feels that we’ve reached an appropriate number of such deaths.

    I’m guessing that none of his friends or family have suffered such a fate. As long as it’s only happening to others, then there’s no reason for concern.

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    riley05  over 11 years ago

    The “well regulated militia” clause of the 2nd Amendment has been pretty much abandoned by the Supreme Court, RunninOnEmpty.

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    BrianCrook  over 11 years ago

    I agree, R.O.E.

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    jqmcd  over 11 years ago

    Quoting Eddie Izzard: “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people… but the gun helps.”

    Lethal at a distance.

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