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Stuart Carlson for October 05, 2010

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    riley05  about 11 years ago

    Harley, why is it you didn’t respond to the cartoon?

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    rockngolfer  about 11 years ago

    He must be on Medicare or medicade, or work for the FL gummint

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    michael Premium Member about 11 years ago

    As a small business owner with 5 employees and dozens of contractors the 1099 thing is a red herring. It’ll take my accountant an extra 10 minutes to print out the forms, if that.

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    SaltWaterCroc  about 11 years ago

    Yep - make up a silly name for it and hope people will rally around your opposition without reading what it really does. Surprised they didn’t refer to it as “Colonial Kenyancare for Muslims only” but then that would be too much spelling for their signs. Great for me, great for my kids, I think the plan is great. Almost puts us on a level with the rest of the civilized world.

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    beenthere41  about 11 years ago

    I think the part that most people object to is the part that requires a US citizen to purchase a product from a private company. Doesn’t matter that there may be more than one company available, but self-insurance, even for the wealthy, is not allowed. Good, bad, or indifferent, it is illegal, and that seems to be a violation of several articles of the constitution. One wonders, too, why if these “good” features are so highly desired, that an enterprising insurance company hasn’t offered them for sale and swept away their competition by the hordes of people who would hasten to switch to that policy. Any thoughts on that?

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    halfabug  about 11 years ago

    simple, all of it.

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    Jason Allen  about 11 years ago

    It’s because insurance companies are there to make as much money as they can while paying out as little as they can. A good hard look at some of the bad-faith practices by the largest insurance companies and their financial balance sheets will show you why regulation is necessary.

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    glenbeck  about 11 years ago

    beenthere41:

    Just like auto ins:….except the repunlicants passed that one:

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    charliekane  about 11 years ago

    The Republicans say “repeal and replace”. That’s just red meat to the base, to get ‘em worked up.

    They don’t even believe that. The healthcare act will be adjusted, from time to time, as necessary to fit experience. And perhaps unfortuantely, ideology.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member about 11 years ago

    “I think the part that most people object to is the part that requires a US citizen to purchase a product from a private company”

    Courtesy of Republicans, by the way. They have demanded this ever since Hillary tried to pass national health care. The Single-payer system got shot down by misinformation and fear-mongering. “I don’t want government in my healthcare,” says the Medicare recipient.

    @charliekane - Based on some of the views of these potential Republicans, their version of “health care reform” would deny gays coverage and force every woman to be monitored from conception to childbirth by the government to make sure she had a “live birth.”

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    wolfhoundblues1  about 11 years ago

    How about the part where we the tax payers are now paying for the UAW pension fund.

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    Simon_Jester  about 11 years ago

    I agree, get rid of it NOW…

    …and replace it with single payer.

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    Justice22  about 11 years ago

    ^ Remember that the healthcare law is not as originally intended. Ammendments 400+ were added if I recall, by the Republicans to keep the insurance companies happy. It is a start.

    WE DO need single payer. As for “isolated incidents”, they are not isolated. Two family members dead because of “pre-existing” conditions. Several friends faced bankruptcy before they died. A friend who at the moment is being billed for care that Medicare only partially paid for and she has no family to help her. I know,, she shouldn’t have had the stroke with complications.

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    Nighthawks Premium Member about 11 years ago

    don’t you just hate those government siezures?

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    raycity  about 11 years ago

    How about how much it will cost.No one knows how good or bad can something be when the true cost is not known.Talk about buying a pig in a poke.I like to know the cost of things before I buy them.

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    Spaghettus1  about 11 years ago

    So, rich, you think “responsible” americans should be allowed to go uninsured, yet expect us to pay when they have an accident?

    And the “gunpoint” statement is, as much of the right’s rhetoric, way over the top. In what way is a small fine like being shot?

    Insurance companies dump thousands of clients onto the government rolls when their profits are threatened by actually having to pay for their care, but I guess they are being responsible capitalists, and as such, deserve our admiration.

    The “bottomless abyss” is a right-wing scare tactic. Germany has had universal care longer than anyone, and currently has 7.6% unemployment. If that’s an abyss, maybe we need to fall, too.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member about 11 years ago

    “Why should ANYone be forced at gunpoint to buy a product they neither want nor need? And why should people who take care of themselves be forced at gunpoint to subsidize the negligent?”

    Because Republicans demanded it?
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    Justice22  about 11 years ago

    ^ Neocon,,, When are you going to take your tennis shoe, purse, etc. ads off GoComics? I’m all for free enterprise but not for free advertising.

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    Dtroutma  about 11 years ago

    My mom is 98 and I just got notice her “private” part D supplemental policy is being dropped, so I have to go search for a replacement policy.

    The Republican health care plan gives two “options”- privates take over everything, or it’s “Logan’s Run” time and folks get to play on the “Carousel”.

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    tecolote Premium Member about 11 years ago

    Lets be honest, the bottom line on why the healthcare law is no good is simply because President Obama is Black. If it only had some good pork, then… perhaps.

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    Justice22  about 11 years ago

    ^ It has plenty of pork…. Alll for the insurance companies.

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    charliekane  about 11 years ago

    ^^I’ve fact checked.

    Obama is black.

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    oneoldhat  about 11 years ago

    dtroutma obamacare is doing away with medicare advantage prorams now you can be happy – new law is if a ins co insures 1 independent child all that apply have to be accepted that why co are drop all policies

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    pirate227  about 11 years ago

    Carlson nailed it!

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    Jaedabee Premium Member about 11 years ago

    ^^ Medicare Advantage provides a ton of subsidies to Insurance companies to try and get people to use the most expensive option available.

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    Odon  about 11 years ago

    A single payer system would save a lot of hassle and waste. Heck we all pay taxes to build and maintain roads, airports, schools, libraries and so much more. Think we’re not paying now, get real.

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    Spaghettus1  about 11 years ago

    Tigger, reference for your 5k number? The estimates I have seen for the first year are well under $1000. And where does jail come in? …unless you refer to the existing process for those who refuse to pay taxes. It takes years of refusing to pay for that to happen.

    Oh, and the problem with the child policies wouldn’t exist if Obama hadn’t been forced to delay the mandate to 2014 in order to get it through the (*&% Senate.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member about 11 years ago

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/27/republicans-hatched-idea-obamas-health-insurance-mandate/

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123670612

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/03/28/health_insurance_mandate_began_as_a_republican_idea/

    Kay, you’re right Tigger. Obama simply used an ardently Republican idea that they’ve been asking for for a long time. I was wrong that he put it in there. You are wrong, however, to state that Republicans wanted an opt-in. History shows differently. And they’re only mad about it being there because it’s Obama’s bill and they need the political energy from opposing everything Obama, even though it’s their idea. Like Cap & Trade.

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    Odon  about 11 years ago

    How about we talk about what we need and makes sense instead of what someone said or didn’t say. If we can’t collectively help each other then how can we call ourselves Americans?

    Think about the motivation of the 9/11 responders, they were needed they responded, that’s my vision of America

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    Spaghettus1  about 11 years ago

    Can you recommend someone for a little mass therapy, Dr?

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    Spaghettus1  about 11 years ago

    Jade, I think that is also a good example of how things have swung to the right. What used to be backed by moderate Republicans is now where moderate Democrats come down.

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    lonecat  about 11 years ago

    Nothing I’ve heard of.

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    lonecat  about 11 years ago

    ^^^ It was an interview with Ann Doig, the head of the Canadian Medical Association. I posted large excerpts a few times, but of course that made no difference. People kept up with the misinformation – just as they do with the Danny Williams story.

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    Odon  about 11 years ago

    Harley it’s a road system it’s a health system it’s an insurance industry. If you want to handle your own health fine, but if you want insurance to pay for it you must work within the confines of your policy. I have extensive first hand knowledge of this reality. Choose your own doctor, sure but how many can afford an out of network surgeon or hospital?

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    Jaedabee Premium Member about 11 years ago

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/man-won-t-pay-for-fire-protection-firemen-watch-home-burn

    Extend this to healthcare. “What’s that, you’re dying? What’s that, you didn’t pay for health insurance? Tough luck.” They can call for a body bag just to make sure paying citizens don’t get infected by the remains. Looking out for your fellow man may be a basic tenet of the Bible, the book upon which many Tea partiers claim more of our politics should be based… but that doesn’t mean they want to actually put their money where their mouth is.

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    Odon  about 11 years ago

    Mother government like the evil medicare?

    Put your private insurance to the test, have a major surgery or two, spend a week or two in a hospital.

    You’re in charge so do this without permission from your private provider.

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    Dtroutma  about 11 years ago

    Tigger: the BUSH era “Medicare drug benefit” plan is the one that makes folks change their policies at the whim of the “private” companies whose plans they signed up for– “Obama” has nothing to do with it.

    Typical ignorance of reality from the “right” who must be “wheels” because they continue running in circles to avoid the impacts of “their folks”.

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    charliekane  about 11 years ago

    tigger said:

    “Sorry you’re Wrong Obama said if you do not buy Health Ins you will be fined $5K and put in Jail. He said this from day One!”

    Where did Obama say this?

    Most cite the 11/9/09 Jake Tapper interview as the source of this “comment.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-exclusive-interview-president-barack-obama/story?id=9034309&page=2

    I don’t find it. Is there a primary source for it?

    P.S. The healthcare law prohibits it.

    For further reading:

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/imprisoned-for-not-having-health-care/

    Your comment tripped my b. s. meter.

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    Jaedabee Premium Member about 11 years ago

    ^ Thank you, CharlieKane.

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    lonecat  about 11 years ago

    She’s back.

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