Pat Oliphant for April 13, 2011

Has anybody noticed that Obama has yet to show his ‘Original” birth certificate? Maybe he thinks he doesn’t have to, but why would he not want to? Especially since America has asked…..so, why not? He should be proud of it and show it to the world!

Is that baby above him holding a hand grenade?

@kreole: By Hawaiian law, the state does not release the long-form birth certificate, even at the “birthee“‘s request. The state has certified that it is on file and valid. (Republican and Democratic officials have testified that it’s genuine. Obama can’t get it if he asks.

Little known facts, that jerky Republicans do not know or care to know. Why would the state of Hawaii lie to the country?

And the last Republican candidate wasn’t born in the U.S., making the whole birther thing a line of hypocritical cr4p

kreole, AMERICA did not ask to see Obama’s certificate any more than AMERICA asked to see McCain’s or Palin’s.

Only nut cases who will try anything to derail someone they don’t like would still be on about this, completely ignoring every bit of evidence to the contrary. If you won’t believe the Hawaiian state government, whom will you believe? Don’t bother, I already know the answer - nobody.

Except in those days they called him “The Donny.”

sjc, that’s a proven lie. Obama can obtain it.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=285921

meet, there were congressional hearings to analyze the qualifications of McCain. Why not equal treatment for Obama, since there are legitimate concerns, particularly with the citizenship of his “father”?

cd, it’s fine if you believe birthers are nut-jobs who just hate the president, but really, it is long past time for Lefties to stop attacking the delusional (and racist) birthers and start telling Obama to MAN UP AND LAY IT ALL ON THE TABLE.

@HabaneroBuck If WND is your documented source, you might as well quote The National Enquirer for proof that Obama is gay.

Check out Snopes.com as well. This is a dead issue, and Trump needs to find real issues to fight over.

“Why not equal treatment for Obama, since there are legitimate concerns, particularly with the citizenship of his “father”?”

Because his father didn’t have to be a citizen in order for Obama to be one? Obama was born in the US, that makes him a natural born US citizen.

I saw a .jpg of something purported to be Trump’s Birth Certificate.

It looked Photoshopped to me.

Irrelevant wackos that think the US Treasury is their candy store.

Let’s start a rumor that Donald was really born in Jerusalem! That his father and pregnant mother had to travel there to “pay taxes and register his family”! Later in life, Donald was “baptized” by “Warren Buffet.” Great story, right?

If Obama had been of European rather than African heritage, this wouldn’t even be an issue.

( Or if Bill Bennett had his way, but that’s another issue. )

Not all Repubs are racists, not even the majority, in my opinion.

But the birthers? If they’re not racists themselves, then they’re pandering to the racist wing of the Repub party.

And you know what’s coming from the rightiesdon’t you? “See? The Dems don’t have anything to offer but accusations of racism.”

This from people who have nothing to offer but a racist myth

Richard S. Russell, thank you. That explains why I have such difficulty trying to reason with TPers.

^…by a screaming rightie nutjob blog.

Huh…interesting, a bunch of sounds echoing calling birthers all sorts of names, but again, no one seems to be telling Obama to man up and shut the birthers up. Not surprising, there isn’t a bit of honesty in the argument against the birthers. If Obama has more records available to shut the racists up, call on him to produce them. No one on the Left will push Obama to do the right thing because everyone senses the truth…which is that he has something to hide.

And, yes, his SS number is another problem that no one on the Left will press for the same reason…there is something there that will make him look bad….or ineligible.

ruff, it is that kind of thinking that is going to lead to the demise of the USA as we are transformed into the North American Union and forget our identity, rights, and freedoms altogether.

Sorry, but I have to say one more thing….perhaps this will cause someone to think about what is going on here.

The story from Dreams from My Father and the story that is on Obama’s wikipedia page TODAY are demonstrably false. Obama’s mother and father did not live together at all after his birth. It has been proven that she was enrolled in classes in the state of Washington two weeks after Obama’s birthdate. She did not come back to Hawaii until Obama Sr. had already left for Harvard. Yet, his book does not record these FACTS, and wikipedia is still not up to date on it.

http://bit.ly/eDr7kM

Is it really outlandish for us to ask, what else is not true? Everyone was sick of Bush’s lies (and I don’t think it is at all unhealthy for Americans to challenge their leaders about truthfulness). Let’s confront the lies again.

it is a ploy by bho to energize his base when he is left off the kansas ballot [ a state he would not have won]

so sjc19850 you are saying that hawaii will not let it birthee get soc sec retirement ? because the colb does not have date filed so it can not be used

With Obama the question is about which state or country- with Trump it’s beginning to be a question of which planet.

btw, many folks, from many states, can only produce a “certified copy” of their birth certificates- even to secure passports. The real problem with “birthers” is they haven’t hatched yet.

I thought that since his mother is an American, he is “American Born”. Who cares where she was at the time?

Hillary Clinton, John McCain and the Supreme Court all agree that Obama has proved his citizenship. Obama won’t bother releasing the long form Birth Certificate because:

The birthers will still claim that it’s fake or altered.

Obama’s standing pat has only made the birthers and the politicians who are willing to cater to their fantasy look more extreme.

Who cares?

Well some folks care to the point that they’ll grab onto any blog that supports their postiion, no matter how obscure or fringe radical in its views.

Habanero Short of calling you a racist why can’t you accept the truth about Obama’s birth certificate? Every time some birther comes here with a fake birth certificate from Kenya (or in your case a photoshopped birth certificate from someone in Hawaii) it always turns out to be fake.

Why do you insist on being laughed at?

Habanero - please do yourself and the rest of us a favor and check your urban myths before spreading them. This should help http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

So will this

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/

But Hawaii isn’t legally a State because the haole immigrants who overthrew the monarchy sold the U.S. stolen property by becoming a territory.

Thanks for the link to the interview with Fukino, Jester. So Fukino again asserts that there is plenty of information about Obama’s birth in the archives. Fukino says that the original document exists in the archives….there is a link at the top of the page showing how a person born in Hawaii was able to pay 10 dollars and get a copy of the real deal as recently as fall of 2010. So Fukino is shown to be “hedging her bets” by saying the COLB is the document that Hawaii issues. Maybe they do, but it is a fact that they can issue a lot more to someone who requests it.

It’s really a no-brainer here. Fukino says the document exists. It has been shown that anyone born in Hawaii is able to obtain a copy of it. Obama does a half-assed job by showing a COLB. Righties say, “Hey, give us that thing over there with all the info.” Obama doesn’t comply. The Righties continue to ask….and THEY are the insincere ones?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/apr/08/politifacts-guide-obamas-birth-certificate/

Why no fuss over McCain’s birth certificate? After all he was born in Panama. And if Hawaii isn’t a state, then certainly a U.S. TERRITORY isn’t legitimate, either! *

I mean… what’s the difference between McCain and Obama? What’s the diff–ohhhh… *

Nationals and citizens of United States at birth How Current is This? The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property; (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person; (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States; (e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person; (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; **(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;** and (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

The end.

Thanks Jade, that is hopefully the last word(s) on the subject!

Obama is some kind of citizen if he is born in Hawaii. Whether he is a “Natural Born Citizen” with a British subject for a father is something that should at least be hashed out in public before a congressional hearing, like McCain did. The difference, Jade, between McCain and Obama is not what you insinuate….but that McCain went through the public examination that Obama somehow gets a pass on.

Stop attacking the messengers and call on Obama to shut the birthers up.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that ‘all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Born_Citizen_Clause

“public examination that Obama somehow gets a pass on.”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/ That there is a crowd, regardless of proof to the contrary, that continues to assert that he’s not a citizen and that his birth certificate is fake, is proof positive he did not get a “pass.” There is no legitimacy, no credibility to the “birther” cause. I am not attacking the messengers, I am attacking the message.

McCain went before Congress. Obama did not. Therefore, YES, he got a pass. Obama has at least as much to question as McCain had. Admit it. I know you won’t; “Politifact” apparently is scripture.

“C-section” babies CAN’T be president! Birthers think Stephen King wrote their “Constitution”.

^^^

It’s because state and federal law did not require anyone in Congress or elsewhere to check to see if Obama was a “natural born Citizen” under the meaning of Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, according the document.

The analysis by the Congressional Research Service, a research arm of the U.S. Congress, openly admits no one in the federal government, including Congress, ever asked to see Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. It explains no one was required to do so.

Read more: Congress report concedes Obama eligibility unvetted http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=225561#ixzz1JSIasQZv

The Birther argument isn’t that he didn’t go before Congress. The signs aren’t “Go before Congress to have your eligibility vetted” (he has since had his eligibility vetted), they’re a bunch of conspiracy theories about how he is a secret Muslim born in Kenya (why Kenya and not Indonesia, I wonder? I wonder what people from Indonesia lo– ahh, I see). There’s a difference.

Additional paragraph:

“Concerning the production or release of an original birth certificate, it should be noted that there is no federal law, regulation, rule, guideline, or requirement that a candidate for federal office produce his or her original birth certificate, or a certified copy of the record of live birth, to any official of the United States government; nor is there a requirement for federal candidates to publicly release such personal record or documentation. Furthermore, there is no specific federal agency or office that ‘vets’ candidates for federal office as to qualifications or eligibility prior to return.”

Read more: Congress report concedes Obama eligibility unvetted http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=225561#ixzz1JSKHuBEd

These’re the same people who say “do it by the Constitution,” right? Golly-gee-willickers, Batman, I guess it’s pointless to insist!

Okay Jade you have proven the point, now it’s time for the birthers to continue their mindless assult.

Habanero Buck

Thanks for supplying

NO facts

NO records

Not one link….NOTHING to back up any of your claims,…except your say-so.

HabaneroBuck – sorry bucky, it’s one thing to lie about your mom & dad’s relationship, or even who your girlfriend is in the case of Clinton, it’s another thing to send young folks off to die for your lies.

1 - Barack Hussein Obama II Soebarkah 2 - Barack Hussein Obama II (Barack Hussein Obama Jr.) 3 - Barack Hussein Obama 4 - Barry Soetoro

Four names. There is something wrong here.