Both are criminal, equally bad (more or less, and depending on details) and at the very least cause for diplomatic action. I guess we will see. It’s true that nations have neither conscience nor super-ego.
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What is the discussion anyway? It’s a Communist country right, they steal what they want, be it intelligence military or private sector. Than using forced cheep labor redevelop or produce it cheaply then use it against us, if military or sell it back to us cheaper in the private sector. They have been doing it for years no administration Republican or Democrat has stood up to them successfully. It’s a face off between the free world and China. The one who steps back will lose and under the present administration there is a lot of support for stepping back.
Nothing new. Decades ago I read articles about China stealing intellectual property. I was at a university in the south where a young student had had his computer confiscated because it was a counterfeit Apple Mac.
And many, many U.S. firms let us steal it . . . for a . . . bribe . . . paid under the table and/or for access to our 1.45 billion-person market, more than four times GREATER than the U.S. market. Just ask Ivanka! The prospect of unfettered access to our market tends to weaken the patriotism of so-called good-citizen U.S. corporations who defend their venality by citing their “duty” to secure the “best interests,” i.e., profits, of their stockholders. Everyone has their price, especially in capitalism.
Surprised?? America builds/sponsors manufacturing plants in these countries.. hires locals to run them.. then complains when that technology is moved across the street. AND.. America is not above stealing intellectual technology when they can.
Capitalism and Communism, is it possible that they need each other to survive. If one gives in to the other will the system break and the winner eventually fail. The only other option is military and if that is used we all fail. Just a thought. Interesting.
Ramirez, they don’t need to steal it. When American business people, like Ivanka tRump who acquired at least 6 copyrights from China in 2020 alone, do business with China for lower labor costs and not paying American workers decent wages and benefits, we give it away.
When China doesn’t steal technology, they extort or bribe Democrats for it. Prime example of this is when Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz donated $1.5 million to Bill Clinton’s campaign and other Democrats. Loral wanted China to launch their satellites because they were cheaper than American launchers. Problem was China had problems with staging their rockets and the State Department wouldn’t allow it anyway. So Bernie called his pal Bill to cash in the favors. Clinton chuckled and said no problem buddy and transferred authorization for rocket staging technology and foreign launches from the State Department to the Commerce Department. Problem solved, Loral transferred staging technology to China who then launched their satellites on the cheap. That bit of treason saved China twenty years of research and also allowed them to perfect their nuclear tipped ICBMs pointed at the USA.
Concretionist over 2 years ago
Both are criminal, equally bad (more or less, and depending on details) and at the very least cause for diplomatic action. I guess we will see. It’s true that nations have neither conscience nor super-ego.
quixotic3 over 2 years ago
You can always count on Ramirez to support the rule of law, as long as it’s in support of corporate interests.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
Republican jerks like Romney sold American business and jobs to China.
mr_sherman Premium Member over 2 years ago
This is why just about everything my company sent to China, came from China.
sevaar777 over 2 years ago
Please, don’t feed the know – nothing, communist troll. Thank you.
baroden Premium Member over 2 years ago
And yet it hasn’t stopped any company from taking their technology there. How else would they feed the American appetite for more “stuff”?
knutdl over 2 years ago
The China shock
ollou90 over 2 years ago
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Iseau over 2 years ago
What is the discussion anyway? It’s a Communist country right, they steal what they want, be it intelligence military or private sector. Than using forced cheep labor redevelop or produce it cheaply then use it against us, if military or sell it back to us cheaper in the private sector. They have been doing it for years no administration Republican or Democrat has stood up to them successfully. It’s a face off between the free world and China. The one who steps back will lose and under the present administration there is a lot of support for stepping back.
mourdac Premium Member over 2 years ago
Funny how mramirez ignored Herr Gropingfuror sucking up to Russia’s and mainland China’s presidents while in office.
librarylady59 over 2 years ago
Nothing new. Decades ago I read articles about China stealing intellectual property. I was at a university in the south where a young student had had his computer confiscated because it was a counterfeit Apple Mac.
William Bednar Premium Member over 2 years ago
Very true.
Same2Ubuddy over 2 years ago
They no longer have to steal it. Biden is giving it to them.
cocavan11 over 2 years ago
And many, many U.S. firms let us steal it . . . for a . . . bribe . . . paid under the table and/or for access to our 1.45 billion-person market, more than four times GREATER than the U.S. market. Just ask Ivanka! The prospect of unfettered access to our market tends to weaken the patriotism of so-called good-citizen U.S. corporations who defend their venality by citing their “duty” to secure the “best interests,” i.e., profits, of their stockholders. Everyone has their price, especially in capitalism.
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 2 years ago
Surprised?? America builds/sponsors manufacturing plants in these countries.. hires locals to run them.. then complains when that technology is moved across the street. AND.. America is not above stealing intellectual technology when they can.
Iseau over 2 years ago
Capitalism and Communism, is it possible that they need each other to survive. If one gives in to the other will the system break and the winner eventually fail. The only other option is military and if that is used we all fail. Just a thought. Interesting.
StackableContainers over 2 years ago
Why can’t they do both? They two actions aren’t mutually exclusive…
MuddyUSA Premium Member over 2 years ago
China steals more than they admit. And the world Countries let it happen including the U.S.
IndyW over 2 years ago
I remember when CISCO went after Huawei for stealing their code for their routers and switches.
ncorgbl over 2 years ago
Ramirez, they don’t need to steal it. When American business people, like Ivanka tRump who acquired at least 6 copyrights from China in 2020 alone, do business with China for lower labor costs and not paying American workers decent wages and benefits, we give it away.
Kracklin Rosie - “Tolo Dan Nan Galad” Premium Member over 2 years ago
When China doesn’t steal technology, they extort or bribe Democrats for it. Prime example of this is when Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz donated $1.5 million to Bill Clinton’s campaign and other Democrats. Loral wanted China to launch their satellites because they were cheaper than American launchers. Problem was China had problems with staging their rockets and the State Department wouldn’t allow it anyway. So Bernie called his pal Bill to cash in the favors. Clinton chuckled and said no problem buddy and transferred authorization for rocket staging technology and foreign launches from the State Department to the Commerce Department. Problem solved, Loral transferred staging technology to China who then launched their satellites on the cheap. That bit of treason saved China twenty years of research and also allowed them to perfect their nuclear tipped ICBMs pointed at the USA.
knutdl over 2 years ago
https://chinashock.info/
El Paso Mark over 2 years ago
Boy, ain’t that the truth!
MuddyUSA Premium Member over 2 years ago
Truer words were never spoken!