So who elected that government, again? I kinda remember Obama winning some elections a while back… as well as a couple of other Democrats.
Yeah, I guess the Patriot Act was ok, the Bush wars were a-okay, all those executive orders were ok (yes, I know O did them, but how many on the right blamed Bush when he used them?), dismissing attorney generals in mid-term was ok, but now a medical insurance is government takeover.
We are a Republic, the “government” IS “US”! After eight years of “the unitary presidency”, two wars, assaults on all laws to preserve and protect the Constitution, or the lands and waters of the U.S. and the world, Ramirez is suddenly offended by a majority vote, on an issue supported by more than 78% of the population though thoughts on the solution differed?
Anyone who thinks that the current administration has done more to step on the Constitution than the last one, please reveal yourselves so I can tell which of you automatically react and scream to your supposed opposition rather than logically arriving at realistic conclusions. I’m new here
Oh my - the liberal talking points are in full swing here. First we get accused of not reading the Constitution (do you actually have your pocket Constitution with you at all times like I do Ken?). Then the old and tired “Bush did it so we can too.” I was against the Patriot Act and I was against a lot of things Bush did even though I voted for him. It was my duty to question him and my duty to NOT walk lockstep. Now please, tell me, any of you, ONE THING you have not agreed with regarding Obama? I might faint should someone dare to admit the man has clay feet like all other human beings.
And as for the insurance comment - Republicans are not against health insurance. If you’d really LISTEN to the protests most of us (75%) were against the bill because (a) the bill forces us to buy insurance whether we want it or not - (sorry, but that’s the un-Constitutional part - and please don’t give me the tired “commerce” excuse - problem is we couldn’t buy health insurance across state lines so how did that make it part of interstate commerce? Oh sorry - too logical for you Obots); (b) doesn’t matter how much you spin it, bad math is bad math, and this thing is going to cost us way too much in the long run; (c) these people are no longer our representatives, they are our rulers - you may want Mommy Nancy telling you what to do, but I grew up a few years ago and don’t need her telling me how to live my life - same goes for Barry Soetero, Harry Reid, et. al.
a) You’ll have to point out to me how this bill is unconstitutional from your pocket constitution (seriously doubt you carry one around btw). You have to pay taxes right? The government is forcing you to pay for health care already…just not your own. How is this so much different that you think you have an actual case here? Seriously, under what clause is this bill unconstitutional other than that you don’t like it. You’ve got the necessary reference with you right now so…
b) Agreed - bad math is bad math. How again is yours superior? Oh yeah..it agrees whith your perspective
c) now you’ve stopped arguing and are simply pouting
Honestly…I don’t know why I read the comment sections. Republicans this…Democrats that…blame, point, accuse.
Meanwhile, our country is burning and neither the current or former administration has done anythng to help stop the fire.
When are we going to stop whining at each other and start looking for our common ground?
leerab78 - arrogant and ignorant, Ms Pelosi would be proud. I , too, carry the constitution with me at all times, and I have actually read it, several times. Please get used to Ken. He spurts nonsense with no intellect to back it on a daily basis.
As for the constitutionality, so far there are 13 different attorney generals lined up to go to the supreme court to argue that matter falls within the jurisdiction of the individual states, and not the federal government. See the bill of rights, declared in force Dec 15,1791, article X. You ask for a “clause?” You, sir, have never looked at the constitution. It contains “articles” and “sections.” Or maybe in your ignorance, you are hoping Santa Claus will come to your aid.
As for bavolet not responding immediately, we conservatives have jobs, and cannot monitor comic sites all day long. Go in peace.
@ Stripper Lord How bout saying something that makes sense?
@Loco80 have you ever read the last clause of Section 8, Article I?
SInce the Federal Government is charged with the regulation of Interstate Commerce, and since, insurance is, in our society, an interstate business, that so-called “Elastic Clause”, which trumps Amendment X, gives the feds the power to do anything they want about insurance. Thought you carried that thing in your pocket.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:
“ [The Congress shall have power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;”
kennethcwarren64 over 13 years ago
The truth is that the GOP and Conservatives are not against Government Control, what they are against is not being the ones with the control.
This cartoon is probably the closest that many Conservatives will come to reading the Constitution.
4uk4ata over 13 years ago
So who elected that government, again? I kinda remember Obama winning some elections a while back… as well as a couple of other Democrats.
Yeah, I guess the Patriot Act was ok, the Bush wars were a-okay, all those executive orders were ok (yes, I know O did them, but how many on the right blamed Bush when he used them?), dismissing attorney generals in mid-term was ok, but now a medical insurance is government takeover.
Really?
charliekane over 13 years ago
^Or, to put it another way, elections have consequences.
(Ah thot FDR done killed all the freedom they was.)
Dtroutma over 13 years ago
We are a Republic, the “government” IS “US”! After eight years of “the unitary presidency”, two wars, assaults on all laws to preserve and protect the Constitution, or the lands and waters of the U.S. and the world, Ramirez is suddenly offended by a majority vote, on an issue supported by more than 78% of the population though thoughts on the solution differed?
leerab78 over 13 years ago
Anyone who thinks that the current administration has done more to step on the Constitution than the last one, please reveal yourselves so I can tell which of you automatically react and scream to your supposed opposition rather than logically arriving at realistic conclusions. I’m new here
WarBush over 13 years ago
It should read “We The Corporate”
Welcome leerab78
bavolet over 13 years ago
Oh my - the liberal talking points are in full swing here. First we get accused of not reading the Constitution (do you actually have your pocket Constitution with you at all times like I do Ken?). Then the old and tired “Bush did it so we can too.” I was against the Patriot Act and I was against a lot of things Bush did even though I voted for him. It was my duty to question him and my duty to NOT walk lockstep. Now please, tell me, any of you, ONE THING you have not agreed with regarding Obama? I might faint should someone dare to admit the man has clay feet like all other human beings.
And as for the insurance comment - Republicans are not against health insurance. If you’d really LISTEN to the protests most of us (75%) were against the bill because (a) the bill forces us to buy insurance whether we want it or not - (sorry, but that’s the un-Constitutional part - and please don’t give me the tired “commerce” excuse - problem is we couldn’t buy health insurance across state lines so how did that make it part of interstate commerce? Oh sorry - too logical for you Obots); (b) doesn’t matter how much you spin it, bad math is bad math, and this thing is going to cost us way too much in the long run; (c) these people are no longer our representatives, they are our rulers - you may want Mommy Nancy telling you what to do, but I grew up a few years ago and don’t need her telling me how to live my life - same goes for Barry Soetero, Harry Reid, et. al.
leerab78 over 13 years ago
hi bavolet -
a) You’ll have to point out to me how this bill is unconstitutional from your pocket constitution (seriously doubt you carry one around btw). You have to pay taxes right? The government is forcing you to pay for health care already…just not your own. How is this so much different that you think you have an actual case here? Seriously, under what clause is this bill unconstitutional other than that you don’t like it. You’ve got the necessary reference with you right now so…
b) Agreed - bad math is bad math. How again is yours superior? Oh yeah..it agrees whith your perspective
c) now you’ve stopped arguing and are simply pouting
Stuperfan Premium Member over 13 years ago
Honestly…I don’t know why I read the comment sections. Republicans this…Democrats that…blame, point, accuse. Meanwhile, our country is burning and neither the current or former administration has done anythng to help stop the fire. When are we going to stop whining at each other and start looking for our common ground?
Loco80 over 13 years ago
leerab78 - arrogant and ignorant, Ms Pelosi would be proud. I , too, carry the constitution with me at all times, and I have actually read it, several times. Please get used to Ken. He spurts nonsense with no intellect to back it on a daily basis. As for the constitutionality, so far there are 13 different attorney generals lined up to go to the supreme court to argue that matter falls within the jurisdiction of the individual states, and not the federal government. See the bill of rights, declared in force Dec 15,1791, article X. You ask for a “clause?” You, sir, have never looked at the constitution. It contains “articles” and “sections.” Or maybe in your ignorance, you are hoping Santa Claus will come to your aid. As for bavolet not responding immediately, we conservatives have jobs, and cannot monitor comic sites all day long. Go in peace.
WarBush over 13 years ago
@ Stripper Lord How bout saying something that makes sense?
@Loco80 have you ever read the last clause of Section 8, Article I?
SInce the Federal Government is charged with the regulation of Interstate Commerce, and since, insurance is, in our society, an interstate business, that so-called “Elastic Clause”, which trumps Amendment X, gives the feds the power to do anything they want about insurance. Thought you carried that thing in your pocket.
Thanks again FF2!
petergrt over 13 years ago
Article I, Section 8, Clause 3: “ [The Congress shall have power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;”
gfreeman over 13 years ago
Yes, because “We the people” is a socialist statement.