Luann by Greg Evans for November 11, 2019

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    Храм С.О.Д. (Templo S.U.D. ucraniano)  over 2 years ago

    confusing, ain’t it, Luann?

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    AnyFace  over 2 years ago

    Looks a little like the Sorting Hat. ✨

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    JD'Huntsville'AL  over 2 years ago

    I hate pretentious little snips like him.

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    MrGoobinski  over 2 years ago

    What a friend Luann is! No one in her world is better off having known her. And if they thought they were initially, it is just a matter of time until she shows her true colors.

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    ZeMastor  over 2 years ago

    (rolls eyes) Looks like Zebo is determined to make Tara his “Starr” pupil. Zebo and Tara deserve each other.

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    BJShipley1  over 2 years ago

    The debate should have been over at the end of the first panel. YES, grade her drawing skill. It was a drawing assignment that she was given, after all. If I’m told to do a book report on Great Expectations but hand in a report on Oliver Twist instead, it doesn’t matter how well-written my report was. It fails for not staying in the bounds of the assignment. The assignment was to do a still life, and still lifes are drawn.

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    Counterpoint Premium Member over 2 years ago

    Luann, quit while you’re behind…

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    ct0760  over 2 years ago

    Zebo is a fine example of a teacher who couldn’t do so he is overcompensating

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    kenhense  over 2 years ago

    Zebo is playing Luann like a yo-yo. Hopefully Luann will learn from this that it’s difficult or impossible to make a compelling argument that something does not have meaning.

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    MathProf2  over 2 years ago

    Is it just my pareidolia, or does anyone else see Tara’s sculpture/drawing laughing at Luann?

    (Greg may not want us to admire Tara’s "drawing, but I think he’s proud of his drawing of her “drawing.”)

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    Joe Petitjean  Premium Member over 2 years ago

    It’s not simple Luann.

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    kaffekup   over 2 years ago

    Panel 2: “Ok, her attitude was lousy.”

    Do not admit you don’t understand her “meaning”.

    That way lies Madness.

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    Lyons Group, Inc.  over 2 years ago

    AGAIN MY REPLY FROM 11/8/19 WHICH WAS IGNORED…

    That’s not art, that’s something a 3 year-old would make! (and believe me, any 3-year old would make a better design that that!) Cover it over in plaster and you have art! That he’s holding in his self-centered hands is fart! I give that a quarter a star (that is, a star with the upper left point only shining, the other 80% is empty!)

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    MrGoobinski  over 2 years ago

    This isn’t a drawing class, it is art 101. And, this was not a drawing assignment. Based on Zebo’s cryptic instructions on 11-4 it looks like Tara nailed it.

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    mavinminx  over 2 years ago

    Artists notoriously flaunt the rules.

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    31768  over 2 years ago

    Tara will graduate with the highest score in the whole class jut by chance. Meanwhile Luann is turning into Borenice pt. 2 here.

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    Barry1941  over 2 years ago

    Well this dashes my hope that this thread would end today. Guess I’ll check back next Monday.

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    kingbrlee Premium Member over 2 years ago

    Looks like he’s grading Luann……

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    Mordock999 Premium Member over 2 years ago

    Hmm. You’d never know that Luann once got “A’s” from Zebo in art 101 by pretty much doing the SAME thing.

    Someone said that Zebo will offer Tara Luann’s job. Possibly. But Tara won’t take it because to her, being a T.A. ain’t cool.

    But if she does, Luann should take that as an opportunity to END their pointless “friendship,” with a: “SO! You joined class just to cost me my job, huh? Some “friend” you are! “WE” are DONE!”

    Hey. Stuff like THAT, happens in the “real world” all the time.

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    Pohka  over 2 years ago

    Interesting. It appears Zebo is trying to instruct Luann (in what I’ll wait and see). What I believe is Zebo is being inconsistent and thereby destroying other people in the class (what do they learn if he asks for one thing and rewards the one who didn’t follow directions unless he told the class your grade is based on creativity). As for Luann, she’s forgotten her class time and how she succeeded through serendipity.

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    sueb1863  over 2 years ago

    Nobody’s going to be more surprised about this than Tara.

    And apparently Zebo is such an egomaniac that he can’t comprehend that Tara only made the “art” to mock him, and that there are students who think he’s a complete joke. He seems to believe that they all take the art as seriously as he does.

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    PMark  over 2 years ago

    First rule of holes, Deary.

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    ForrestOverin  over 2 years ago

    “Look… I saw Tara wad this up in a defiant pantomime of your self-importance. Go ahead and give than an ‘A’, if it pleases you, Mr. Zebo. And parenthetically, I suspect there’s a reason I’m not calling you ‘DOCTOR Zebo’…”

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    Troglodyte  over 2 years ago

    Not another week of Zebo! :(

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    Aladar30 Premium Member over 2 years ago

    This is really a good artist / moral dilemma. If starting from a common base, someone comes up with something different but better, this is what people usually call genius. Is it right to grade the finished work or the attitude that led to it’s creation? Luann is facing a huge problem, something able to make you very angry and confused. I hope Zebo will not be too strict with her. But him, obviously, want his TA to be the best of all.

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    luann1212 Premium Member over 2 years ago

    It can be confusing, but I think we can unpack it. I think Zebo, in his imperious way, is grading Luann on how strongly she holds to a position she takes, even in the face of authority, I think, rather than being a betrayal of the friendship, Luann is being honest that not only does this “art” do nothing for her, but was not what was being asked; Tara and her reaction to whatever happens is the dangling modifier here though. It’s power, veracity, mixed motives maybe. Classic GnK misdirection play.

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    UmmeMoosa  over 2 years ago
    That is College Luann,where are you are encouraged to be a free thinker but at the same time you are forced to be indoctrinated to depraved, aberrant ideals and they fail you if you show any objection.
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    comic reader 22  over 2 years ago

    When did the main character here get so petty and boring

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    Ellis97  over 2 years ago

    Luann, art is a way of expression, not rules or style.

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    ckeagy  over 2 years ago

    I wonder if it’s too late to drop this class.

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    Rocknaww  over 2 years ago

    This isn’t art! Why not? Tara was frustrated. The crumpled paper with the pencil stuck in it is a great example of frustration. Or, it represents her inability to capture the essence of a flower. A picture of flower certainly isn’t the equal to real flower. The paper and pencil represent human inability to match the beauty of mature. I think Zebo is actually trying to teach Luann something here.

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    chris_o42  over 2 years ago

    I like Tara’s “sculpture”. The original still life was kind of boring and stupid anyway. Tara produced what she saw.

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    UmmeMoosa  over 2 years ago
    Reminds me of that episode of absolutely fabulous where the two ladies for some reason sneak into this Museum of modern Art filled with twisted pieces like that and come across a dead body where one says we should call the police and the other says but it could be art. Lol
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    BillHensler  over 2 years ago

    The questions are 1. is modern art weird. 2. is the instructor full of dung. 3. is an art major at a community college worth it. 4. why is Luann torpedoing her friend.

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    StackableContainers  over 2 years ago

    I love the condescending logic of pretentious people.

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    yangeldf  over 2 years ago

    like I said, pretentious douche. I’d go easier on him if he didn’t ASSIGN a still life drawing, then penalize the people who drew still lives and reward the person who made a da-da esque sculpture.

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    victoria2  over 2 years ago

    The assignment was draw. As an artist you can do anything you want. Give her the grade against which all others following the assignment are given. But compliment her on her creativity. Luann knows she was basically telling the instructor to “shove it”.

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    Thorby  over 2 years ago

    I—THINK— I follow his line of reasoning; then again, maybe not….

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    eladee AKA Wally  over 2 years ago

    Boy won’t Tara’s ego be inflated when she learns she got the A+ plus instigated a dressing down to Luann by Zebo. And all because she was just goofing around!

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    lee  over 2 years ago

    As a retired art educator (“teacher” isn’t really apt.) Art is very difficult to ’teach" and more difficult to grade.

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    Vangoghdog01  over 2 years ago

    “It ain’t nothing ‘till I call it, then that’s what it is.”

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    Cincoflex  over 2 years ago

    Zebo is quite the devil’s advocate, and Tara tends to ride luck like a birthday pony in this strip.

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    LoneDog  over 2 years ago

    This reminds me of a Peanuts comic where Sally received a low grade on her art project and is questioning the criteria used.

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    Katsuro Premium Member over 2 years ago

    “So grade her attitude. Not her meaning.” Is he being sarcastic, or did he mean to say “Grade her meaning, not her attitude”?

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    Tyge Premium Member over 2 years ago

    Zébo seems to be deliberately obfuscating. As a teacher, he should be instructing his TA in how he grades his projects. Given this dialog, it appears that Tara should receive a passing grade and the rest a failing grade. Sounds as if Zébo is describing a highly subjective pass/fail system. There is no definition of what constitutes an A, B, C, D, or F, i.e., no structure for gradation.

    Ah well. This is Luanniverse, and hilarity not reality prevails.

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    Cheapskate0  over 2 years ago

    Another arc that was clearly over last Thursday continues.

    Along with removing the possible progress (or evidence thereof) of Luann’s personal growth last Saturday.

    Someone said it best, above:

    “Check, please!”_

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    desperado10mm  over 2 years ago

    Meanwhile back on the mean streets of skid row poor little……

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    Tyge Premium Member over 2 years ago

    All this schmaltzy art talk here. The class assignment was: 1) “*Consider* the complex simplicity of the humble still life.” 2) “*Your Task* is to capture the banality of perceived reality while exploring the uniqueness of its deep essence.” That’s all!

    One could read Consider, Capture, Explore, using “the humble still life” as a focal point. Under those instructions anything would satisfy. In fact, according to Zébo’s “scoring” criteria today, Nil should also receive at least an A. The perceived banality and “deep” essence of a nostril is self-evident.

    On the other hand. In preparing the materials for today’s lesson/project, the TA must have been given instruction from Zébo on what materials to present to the students according to some prepared lesson plan. The materials appear to be easels, sketch pads, and a “still life.” Under this criteria Nil gets an A, everyone else a C and Tara an F or “incomplete.”

    In other words, this is a lousy class and Zébo is a lousy teacher.

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    dlaemmerhirt999  over 2 years ago

    “ÅŘŢ!!!” – Mr. Zebo

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    Mayor Snorkum Premium Member over 2 years ago

    I’m actually starting to like the crumpled paper-and-pencil thingie Tara made. She meant it to show her disrespect for phony arty blather, but she’s got an artist’s soul, maybe, and she’s a free spirit who knows exactly who she is. Luann’s still searching for her own identity, but she’ll get there in time.

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    Dale 15  over 2 years ago

    Speaking as former high school art teacher, Tara did not exercise her drawing skills, which seemed to be the assignment.

    Regardless of the subject matter, or age of one’s students, a key part of teaching is very basic: train students to listen/assimilate information and then give instruction in which they utilize the information.

    And it truly is an ability that needs to be taught and reinforced. It’s been my observation that this skill is on the wane in modern society.

    I had students like Tara, creative but flaky. They required special care, in that they had a unique artistic gift that perhaps they wished to develop, and I didn’t want to discourage that. However, as their teacher and a practicing artist myself, I knew that they needed to develop their skill set and artistic discipline. It was often my experience that students like Tara just wanted to goof off and get an “Easy A”.

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    ZeMastor  over 2 years ago

    I was kind of thinking… perhaps Nil’s nostril drawing on 11/06 was not complete at that time. In its completed form, it’s Nil’s nostril, reflected in the bottle, with a tiny, tiny gourd behind the bottle. Nil’s daring use of perspective, and his emphasis on something that the mind’s eye always tunes out, is something that would rate an A++. Take that, Tara!

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    yoda1234  over 2 years ago

    So, Zebo IS able to ascertain her “meaning”?? If he says yes, then he’s automatically a liar.

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    Joe Petitjean  Premium Member over 2 years ago

    This is what Zebo said last Monday. Your task is to capture the Banality of perceived reality while exploring the uniqueness of its deep essence.

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    David Huie Green-HavePityOnOthersYouWillNeedItToo  over 2 years ago

    Definitely makes you think, doesn’t it?

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    AndrewSihler  over 2 years ago

    This comment thread set me to thinking about an unintentionally hilarious essay in the pages of the Paese Sera newspaper in Italy that appeared in 1963, analyzing “Peanuts” as inadvertently tearing the mask off of the corruption and villainy of capitalist society, e.g. that Lucy is nothing but a nasty little girl, Charlie Brown a gullible “consumer”, and so on.

    Sometimes a comic strip is just a comic strip, to paraphrase St Sigmund.

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    ElaineFisherManning  over 2 years ago

    The more I look at Tara’s work, the more I kind of like it. LOL. I see the sorting hat from HARRY POTTER and the pencil representing the quille that the students use to do their assignments (or maybe it’s a wand). PS: In 7th grade art class our teacher said to draw a “still life” – one of the class comedians drew a guy in a coffin.

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    jvn  over 2 years ago

    Yes, she should be graded on her drawing skills. That’s one of the purposes of an art class. Still life drawing is a test of your technique. If you want to see someone’s artistic merit, let them select the medium and subject.

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    Scott S  over 2 years ago

    That’s one of the problem areas I avoided as an accounting major.

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    ayespin  over 2 years ago

    Professor Zebo’s rationalization confirms the state of our so called “higher education system.” We were warned 56 years ago about the Communist Agenda, but Congress and the American people chose to ignore the sign/threats. Instead of being alert we stuck our collective heads into a hole and refused to see reality. We have only ourselves to blame for our predicament today! [From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen] There are actually 45 points made by the author. I have sited only five of them … and all have come true. The entirety was read aloud to Congress: “Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record—Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963”: 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks. 18. Gain control of all student newspapers. 19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. Note: Of the 45 points listed all but four or five have become reality. Based on what I have seen and read, I predict our current form of government will cease to exist within the next ten years. In pilot lingo as a nation … we are at 300 feet, inverted, nose low with power on!

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    Pipe Tobacco Premium Member over 2 years ago

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    I find it interesting that so many here are so very down on Professor Zebo today. I am of the opposite opinion. I think Professor Zebo is doing an excellent job today in trying to get his T.A. (mentee) Luann to grow deeper as a teacher, as an art interpreter/critic, and also likely as an artist herself.

    He is using a semi-Socratic method of debate with Luann to guide her into questioning and analyzing a) Luann’s preconceived notions of what the assignment was, b) whether or not Tara successfully completed the assignment, C) whether or not Tara (regardless of her “grade” on the assignment) has CREATED art, and d) whether “art” and “intent” are always aligned or if they can also sometimes be oppositional to each other.

    To me, this series has been really well done and has shown a true attempt to get Luann to grow.

    I still tend to think that Tara’s art and Tara’s attitude last week still suggest to me that she was planted by Zebo…. but even if not…. Professor Zebo has very successfully used this situation to help Luann grow.

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    Brdshtt Premium Member over 2 years ago

    If there was no expectation of anything but two dimensional drawings that hang on the wall, there would not have been a shelf directly underneath all the two dimensional renditions to place Tara’s three dimensional “art” upon. Way to take advantage of that shelf, Tara…

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    Call me Ishmael  over 2 years ago

    NEVER take a course where the grading is 100% subjective.

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    SHIVA  over 2 years ago

    Something tells me Mr. Z is about to give her a slip, pink that is!!

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    LeighBurton  over 2 years ago

    Luann needs to resign as a TA before this week is over. That professor is an obnoxious jerk!

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    percheronhitch6  over 2 years ago

    This isn’t Luann’s character flaw as much as it’s lack of communication between Luann and her boss. She can’t assist when she doesn’t understand what he’s looking for.

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    MikeFulton1  over 2 years ago

    Above all else, art is intentional. People may find beauty in randomness but it’s not “art” . Mr. Zebo is essentially doing the equivalent of seeing a cloud that looks like a bunny. Maybe it does but that doesn’t make it art.

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    kenhense  over 2 years ago

    I’m starting to like Tara’s sculpture. This shows how artists can train their audience.

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    sid w  over 2 years ago

    Is he grading her grasp of the lack of meaning? That should give her an A+. Or grading her lack of grasp of meaning? That could earn her an F.

    Do they grade TA’s?

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    stonegarden  over 2 years ago

    I’m loving this art run between Luann and Zebo, and the comments! People seem real fired up about things. My take on Luann versus Tara versus Zebo goes back to when Nils and Tara first came to the class and wanted Luann to cover for them while they goofed off. Luann stood up for herself and Mr.Zebo when she told them to take the class seriously. I think she felt rather honoured that Zebo had asked her to be a TA. So now she is feeling a bit defensive again as these same two friends don’t seem to be taking it seriously. Zebo’s instructions were kind of in what I’ll call “art language” for lack of anything better. I had to use google to get definitions on some of those words used, as they’re not in my everyday usage, and my translation of his assignment would be “look at this common still life and come up with an original way to express it”. Did not need to be a drawing. Later as Luann and Zebo looked at the students work, Luann thought some were very good drawings. Zebo was more interested in seeing something original. The drawings, while good representations, weren’t original. Tara’s piece was, even though not alot of thought was put into it. My translation of his critique of it would be something like “her ironic use of drawing paper and pencil to make a sculpture of a curve and a straight line”. So I don’t think Luann is being mean to Tara, but doesn’t get how people ,who probably spent a lot more time on those drawings, get a C while Tara gets an A for crumpling up her paper and jabbing a pencil in it. Tara will be surprised too. I went to art college, and we’d call those happy accidents. Its a tricky concept to get that great technique like drawing doesn’t necessarily equal great art.

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    bakana  over 2 years ago

    Never try to compete in Twisted Logic with a Pretentious Idiot.

    Overdosing on Twisted Logic is how they got to be pretentious in the first place.

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    STACEY MARSHALL Premium Member over 2 years ago

    Pay attention Luann. You might learn something here!

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    Night-Gaunt49  over 2 years ago

    Art can be arbitrary. And unfortunately not fair sometimes.

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    Leojim  over 2 years ago

    Definitely a snobbish jerk.

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    Sisyphos  over 2 years ago

    Zebo is not a lovable character (by design, of course), but he is right and Luann is inscrutable but probably wrong in this matter. “Art” is not merely technical skill, which can be mastered by lots of practice. In Zebo’s judgment, Tara has made “art,” while all the C kids have just practiced technique by rote.

    Been there, seen that….

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    RSH  over 2 years ago

    I like that Zebo is getting Luann to think about art in terms of skill vs expression vs what art is. That said, he has to realize that the students were assigned to draw the still-life. But there’s no reason why he can’t give students more than one grade. There could be a grade for: (1) skill and technique in sketching the still life. (2) expression and artistic value w/ respect to the still life and (3) if he wants to have a 3rd category for freewheeling expression he could have one. Then Tara would get 2 F’s and 1 other non-F grade for her crumpled paper sculpture.

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    Teto85 Premium Member over 2 years ago

    Art is whatever you can get away with https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1427&bih=972&ei=IzbKXZLeMNDq-gSt_a34CQ&q=dog+poop+statue+San+Jose%2C+CA&oq=dog+poop+statue+San+Jose%2C+CA&gs_l=img.3…3195.12920..13538…0.0..0.123.1868.25j3……0….1..gws-wiz-img…….0j0i5i30j0i8i30j0i24.HbOwPAKGe0Q&ved=0ahUKEwjS—6E7OPlAhVQtZ4KHa1-C58Q4dUDCAU&uact=5#imgrc=mnD5tlxTMA0OmM:

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    UmmeMoosa  over 2 years ago

    I just can’t seem to wrap my brain around this logic. I only ask a simple question: what would DaVinci say?

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    Doneaver  over 2 years ago

    As annoying goes, Mr. Zebo is setting the standard.

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    gnmnrbl  over 2 years ago

    Luann is a textbook learner, as is most people. Zebo grades on originality, he wants shock effect not mundane. Zebo wants to not know what art his students will do next.

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