Luann by Greg Evans for March 24, 2015

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    Храм С.О.Д. (Templo S.U.D. ucraniano)  over 7 years ago

    Rules are rules: ladies first.

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    Argythree  over 7 years ago

    Luann will soon learn that volunteering can be dangerous…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Well, now, Luann…so far, we know what you thought of “you making you”… now let’s see what someone else thinks of you as you show how “you made you”… er…

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    Pointspread  over 7 years ago

    It is always tough to go first.

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    znhoja  over 7 years ago

    There must be more then 3 students in Luann art class.

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “Reckoning Ralph”“An Art Audit”“A Subjective Objective”“C’est Chez de Chic Critique”“Perception, Perspective, Point Of View”“Evil-uations”“Bringing Inside Out”or“When The Due Date Hits The Fan”

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    Argythree  over 7 years ago

    There’s a poster on the ArcaMax site who uses the name ‘made of wince’. I can’t wait to see what that poster will say after the ‘professor’ reacts to Luann’s art…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Received! Thanks! Sorry I “zapped” it! I still see it the way you were explaining it!!! – Left one in return!

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    Argythree  over 7 years ago

    GIven how weird this prof is, it’s probably the downside…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    One more….

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    Argythree  over 7 years ago

    One of the shadow people…

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    a lady with a bracelet

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    is possible that the wacko prof will say Lue has not decided who she is while the others know exactly who they are :( even if technically Lue did as asked, do 17 self portraits in different styles………… the jock definitely did not but if the emo guy used sharpie on black paper, his drawings might be visible in a special light

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    kenhense  over 7 years ago

    Is Luann going to get the J. K. Simmons treatment?

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    GOGOPOWERANGERS  over 7 years ago

    i don’t remember manezon though was he/she one of luanss subs?

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    SactoSylvia  over 7 years ago

    Zebo is apparently drawing a distinction between being able to draw or reproduce something… and creating art. I’m beginning to like him!

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    manezone might be the acting classes lady

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    dadoctah  over 7 years ago

    Yoko would so make short work of this professor….

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    Caldonia  over 7 years ago
    Will they ever earn real names? Please?? Especially if they’re gonna be Luann’s friends?
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    seismic-2 Premium Member over 7 years ago

    Luann’s portfolio is way too conventional for this art teacher, who values originality above talent. A collection of 17 all-black pages, and 16 copies of one picture, do show the “out of the box” thinking that he values highly. In his opinion, those two students “created art”, whereas Luann merely drew images.

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    Simon_Jester  over 7 years ago

    You watch, Luann will get a ‘C’. and blackout-boy will get an ‘A’

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    drewpamon  over 7 years ago

    Who’s this joker who believes that he can judge what is and isn’t art.

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    Pipe Tobacco Premium Member over 7 years ago

    My two cents on the whole debate about Greg’s teacher…. 1) A teacher has a right and requirement to have students pay attention…. so telling Greg to not doodle seems like an appropriate idea, 2) A teacher (especially an art teacher) belittling a student about his art is not so appropriate. If this teacher really DID belittle Greg in class about it, that was not appropriate, 3) If the teacher potentially embarrassed Greg by calling attention to his doodling while in class, this could be a reason for a “grudge” but it seems a bit far-fetched…. and yet the teacher calling attention to inappropriate behavior would be a suitable action for the teacher, 4) Greg probably doesn’t have a “grudge” so to speak, but instead may simply be pointing out more the subjective nature of art in general.

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    ”If she had simply told him to stop doodling, that would have been understandable and even justifiable. BUT, according to Greg, she went beyond that, to demean his doodles as “not art…"^Exactly!!

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “She was probably annoyed he was goofing off in class,…”^But Dave’s point was that the issue wasn’t any “reprimands”. She (as Dave already said) went beyond just school matters. The point made was that she “overstepped” her bounds, in trying to “dictate” what was acceptable in matters of personal taste and ambition…things that are not up to her to dictate….

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    Willow Mt Lyon  over 7 years ago

    Do lefties raise their right hand in response to a teacher’s question? It has been too long since I’ve been in a classroom, so I can’t remember. I notice Luann is holding up her right hand. One Eye is barely holding up his left hand.

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    Wouldn’t a Cyclops have its eye in the center of its forehead?

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Again, the issue wasn’t on “how the rules were broken” (if any even were .! I don’t even think that that was what was being related… It could have been during “personal use” time. Or it could have been that he had finished his assignment and was just filling his time until the teacher gave further directions…)….

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    Guilty Bystander  over 7 years ago

    This COULD be a pleasant surprise. Luann seems to have some talent for drawing, unlike the two shmoes she’s sitting with.

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Don’t know how many more ways I can explain- the issue brought up had nothing to do with whether or not any “correction” was justified. The point being made by the author/creator had to do with the subjective criticism of someone else’s tastes…… and is not a case of someone “can do no wrong”……..

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    notbornyesterday  over 7 years ago

    First you have to define “art”

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    Oh, by the way, Mickey Mouse is always drawn with three fingers and a thumb on each hand. So the figure in the corner raising a hand may be wearing a glove, but it’s not like Mickey wears…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “once again you are twisting things around ridiculously. “not denigrating” does NOT equal praising.”^Thank you!!!

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    dre7861  over 7 years ago

    Oh NO, not more Colonel Zebo! Please, please, please let this class end quickly and let’s never, ever, ever, ever, ever see Zebo again!

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Well then you didn’t teach art, as that is subjective. There’s not much to be biased about in subjects like math, history, science, etc. Art is all opinion. ^Well, then, you haven’t been in a classroom, lately, in one form or another. These days, “opinion” is sneaking into there. Agendas are being pushed to change certain norms and conventions, things that parents get infuriated with, as then it takes away their right to raise their children and instill them with certain values…things that are not for the school to teach, but are for the parent to decide….

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    Both Copernicus and Galileo (scientists) were punished by the Church for their heresy of declaring that the earth revolved around the sun, rather than the view accepted by the Church that had the sun revolving around the earth.-Galileo was even tried by the Inquisition, and his work was banned for years after his death. He was not allowed a normal Church burial till many years later.-I noticed that you commented on how long Greg Evans is assumed to have carried a grudge against his art teacher. It took until Pope John Paul II until the Church said Galileo was ok…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “Well then you didn’t teach art, as that is subjective.” ^Art may be “subjective”, but it’s also not something where you get to tell someone that their chosen (and favorite) medium is not the “right” one. – Much in the same way that if it were a music class, and the person were rehearsing a genre that you didn’t think was all that great, it’s not your place to tell someone that it’s not. You certainly can hold that view, and find others who share it, or, If asked, you can share your opinion with someone else to that end, but you can’t go around and impose your judgement upon them personally… – I don’t particularly care for today’s “mainstream” pop music (more so the “Lady GaGa”s and the “Robin Thicke”s of the world), and I especially don’t like the way that the mainstream industry is losing the “human touch” in making music (i.e. the “cookie cutter approach” of rolling them out like clones, almost), but it doesn’t mean that I can go tell my employees that their music is “garbage”. I could say: “We can’t have music in here right now, turn it down, please!” if it were going to be a detriment to the work environment (and walk ins). But I can’t say: ’Turn down that “trash”!".

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    Sisyphos  over 7 years ago

    Careful, Luann! Don’t let your work out of your own hands until it has been witnessed by all the class, Zebo is a crazed fanatic who just might tear up your seventeen selfies sight unseen to make some esoteric point!

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    No. I’m talking about “pushing certain topics within school subjects”. Going from teaching facts and figures to trying to push “agendas” into the lessons. It certainly could affect someone when it comes to religion, though. And it’s not about “changing schools”. It may even be found in the next school, if one were to do that….

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    But my reason for bringing it up in the first place was only to address that previous point you mentioned, in particular: "Well then you didn’t teach art, as that is subjective. There’s not much to be biased about in subjects like math, history, science, etc. Art is all opinion. "

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    A varied array of examples, indeed!!! – And there’s also the doodles found within the Lennon family, in particular one from a young child that became the basis for a song (or two)… – Not to mention the “doodles” of the then “Senior Lennon”, John…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Hoh, boy….

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    My point in providing this information is not to compare the church banning of Galileo to Greg Evans displeasure at a teacher, but to respond to your idea that science, math and subjects like them are ‘objective’ , with not much to be biased about, as opposed to art.-Maybe this comparison will work better if I bring it into more recent times. Right now in the US, for example, there are still elected school district board members (and parents) who argue passionately that ‘creation science’ needs to be taught in public schools, rather than or in addition to, evolution.-And there are many public figures who argue that whatever climate change we are experience today has nothing to do with human intervention and pollution, so that should not be taught in schools because the idea only exists to undermine capitalism.-Science is no more ‘objective’ than art. Agendas are everywhere…

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    ACTIVIST1234  over 7 years ago

    Lu, in your pre-school class you always were kind, in order to support the kids’ efforts.If art is like college writing classes, this critique is going to be merciless. To inspire you, you know. Develop a thick skin NOW.

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    smh ……………. the teacher has the right to ask students not to do something( doodle in class, put feet on top of desk, chew gum, etc ) BUT was wrong in telling Greg that his doodles would always be rubbish and lead to nothing; specially if they were good http://luc.devroye.org/DickPape—SimpleDoodles-2007.png teacher should have said something along the lines of “Greg, these are interesting doodles, BUT during my class you are not allowed to do them, you have to focus on what I am teaching you today, and do your assigned work”

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    Airman  over 7 years ago

    That Cyclops is a real ball of fire. Must be a music major.

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    I was hoping that the teacher wanted something like these http://artnaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/art-styles-02.jpg or http://artnaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/art-styles-03.jpg and not 1 drawing copied 16 times(jock) ……………… there is still a chance emo did good if he used sharpie on a black colored paper ( could be visible under special lights ) ……….. I was expecting jock not to know anything about different art styles, so he would go along the lines of this http://artnaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/art-styles-05.jpg

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “Thank you for agreeing with me. John Lennon could have crapped on his porch and collectors would be rushing to pick it up, framing it as a work of art. Art is subjective, and heavily based on brand recognition.”^That was not in agreement. I was referring to wonderful examples of how one could easily “dismiss” work as being of no benefit, and yet the end result (as time has pointed out) is that other works were inspired by these….I was referring to Julian Lennon’s “doodles” in particular, as they were the basis for some songs. But John, by “extension”, (as I was also mentioning) also had examples…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    So true. Time to put the “bag of oats” down…

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Given the circumstance in that particular arc, Nancy’s mother was “calling a spade a spade” in regards to Tiffany. Though there were also moments that showed she had a “soft spot” and a vulnerability. Nonetheless, It was Tiffany who boasted about Luann being out of the camp, and was planning to “make a move” on Quill. at the time.So naturally , Nancy would react to Tiffany’s dealings in this way….

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    to illustrate what the teacher did to Greg, it is like a student in 4th grade on a math class, and was told to solve 1.5 plus 1.5 and he puts 6/2 as the answer, after doing calculations in paper and the teacher than says to the student “you are wrong, is supposed to be 3; and should have done it in your head, you will never be a good mathematician”

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    Brian G Premium Member over 7 years ago

    Why do I get the feeling that this teacher has an idea about what art is, and it is not going to be very broad. Lets face it, sometimes you have to just draw the apple and set aside graphically grasping the essence of the apples anguish.

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “The art teacher said doodles would not be considered art for her class, and it’s her class, so there you go.” ^Round and round we go….. okay, I feel I must respond to this one: Now you know she wasn’t referring to it as “not art” simply because it wasn’t in her “lesson plan”. She made a comment about a personal preference. Again, no one is saying she was wrong for telling him to “stop doodling”. Even Mr. Evans wasn’t saying anything like that (which can be shown, if one looks directly at his FB post)!

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    And sometimes you need a map and a “trail of bread crumbs” to make sure you don’t get lost on the way…

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    Part of what gets you to strange worlds and space is words. The other part is math and science…

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    LOL!!!

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    Argy.Bargy2  over 7 years ago

    -Let’s see if this works. I copied it from the ArcaMax site, from the poster called ‘Made of Wince’:-

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    made of wince • 15 hours ago

    _*"All…….

    3 of you get As! Now let’s see [redacted stereotype] project. Oh I’m sorry, [redacted stereotype], I [omitted for clarity]! Okay, let’s see [redacted] *censored…..END OF IMAGINATION

    No invisible individuals were harmed by this production*_-

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    in itself, generic brands are same or even superior to brand names at times, BUT people are willing to pay extra for “the image of quality and reliability”, and also people equal price with quality…. in a TV show they showed someone offering a “5 dollar pie” and a “2 dollar pie” (they were actually the same, only difference was that one was made round and the other one was square), and over 80% of the people “thought” the expensive one was better than the cheap ones, saying things like this one is smoother, or has a sweeter flavor or it did not crumbled when I used my spoon and so on, and it was not the shape, in the middle of the survey, they exchanged saying which one was the “expensive one”, power games of the mind

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    most people are willing to pay big bucks for any real Picasso drawing, but would never pay big bucks for something painted by John Doe of East Los Angeles even if you liked more what John Doe painted

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    lot of people talk like Greg kept them and they have seen them, but as far as I know………no idea

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    “But what if your employees asked you why you wouldn’t allow the music? Would you then be able to say “Because it’s no good”?"^I said it, right there: “(and walk ins)”. And also "We can’t have music in here right now ". I was saying that there may be times when a customer walks in, and the music would detract. The point of it also was to compare that situation with the “Art Class” situation, where one may need to give instructions to cease doing something (“stop doodling”/“turn it down”)…..

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    drewpamon  over 7 years ago

    First of all they’re not children, second of all how is the child supposed to learn if they’re always told their work is good?

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    actually the answer is correct :P 6/2 is the same as 3 , he could have gone on the paper 1 1/2 plus 1 1/2 which is same as 3/2 plus 3/2 which is 6/2

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    Airman  over 7 years ago

    I think that Mr. Neanderthal did his first art assignment on the walls of caves.

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    people think Hellman’s list of ingredients for their mayo might be same as one of “krogers” but the fabric that makes hellmans gets ingredients from better places than krogers or they think that hellmans call for 2.5 tbs of lemon juice instead of 2 tbsby krogers, funny thing is that we might have that …………..armour vienna sausage was made same place as the thirty maid vienna suasages (winn dixie) back in 1990 (used to work in WD at Florida)

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    except Best :P

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    LOL, yeah, that’s what I meant! (X^D)

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    Pssh! No worries!! We’re human beings, being human!

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    sometimes, sometimes “their mind” tricks into “this is better” because of name and price

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    JayBluE  over 7 years ago

    And what tickles me about the names of some of the store brand/generic brand items, is that they are supposed to sound so close to the “name brand”, so that you’re supposed to say “it’s just as good as the name brand!”.. which, many times, is (or can be) just as good! – One example is “Spaghetti-Os”. It may have a little “cartoon mascot” of an “O”. the generic/store/off brand may be called “Spaghetti Loops”, and will/may have a similar looking design, and the “mascot” on the can may be almost close, as well. Or if it’s cereal, it may be “Frosted Flakes” with “Tony the Tiger™”. The other brand may be “Snowy Flakes”, with a Polar Bear in a parka…

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    Argythree  over 7 years ago

    SPOILER ALERT!!!!!-Torn asunder….

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    if it is not discriminatory ……………. Luann gets hurt more

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    wiselad  over 7 years ago

    destruction means self is not art

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    LucindaWyman_1  over 7 years ago

    This teacher is a nitwit. Luann, change classes.

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