Also that ongoing drought and hotter weather that “isn’t happening”, and poor management by industry that fought prescribed fire for decades, increasing risk by creaming off the forests for profit, and not legitimately thinning, or selectively cutting the “big stuff” in favor of more profitable clear cutting.
Trout getting paranoid again… always been hotter than usual weather somewhere, always been extreme temps and precipitaions and winds and ….etc,etc, The difference is that now we have the technology to actually measure and record more extremes, when before we just endured without ability to document. Either that or maybe it IS time for the seas to boil, and the skys to fall. If the second coming is soon, are YOU ready? Trout?Bad Kitty – . what?True the libs don’t believe, and they only offer misspoken quotes when convenient, but what?
Dunno what part of the country you live in, Trout, but here in the Northwest it was the enviros who fought responsible forest fire suppression efforts (selective tree and underbrush thinning) tooth and nail for decades. They wanted (and still want) nothing taken out of the forest, ever, for any reason.
From what I read, trm — and trout knows more than I do based on his background — the issue is a combination of loggers preventing natural fires cleansing the ground, increased grassland for grazing, and major drought, meaning we have a weakened, dry, overcrowded forest waiting for a fire.See this article by Chip Ward — a bit overwrought, but with interesting background.http://www.salon.com/news/global_warming/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/06/16/global_warming_wildfires
trm- I too live in the northwest, and worked putting on prescribed fires starting in the early 70’s in the Sierra Nevada. I fought fires before that, and over the years have observed both climate changes, and the changes in our fuel loading. Which, btw- it was the TIMBER INDUSTRY that fought us tooth and nail for decades on prescribed fire, NOT “environmentalists”. When “big timber” hauled out “salvage” after any fire, 90% were big sticks that hadn’t been damaged, AT ALL, by the fires. Continued clear cuts, often without the oft claimed “restoration”, in fact usually, are what led to the mess we’re in on our forests, in addition to climate change that is clearly the result of human activity. It is evident in Florida, Colorado, California, Texas, Arizona, Washington, and Oregon! I haven’t been in the very upper northeast much, but the “great plains” have also been totally altered throughout the midwest by agriculture and other human activities.(Like poisoning the Ogalala aquifer with fertilizers.)
While lighting DOES start the majority of wildfires, humans really do their best under drought conditions when TV weathermen get the arsonists going with their warnings.
Sorry, mm and fennec, but hopelessly ignorant people have been getting to me today- you and a few others aren’t in that realm, but odd how the Ailes fanatics can’t read beyond the lines of phony propaganda he and his minions pump out.
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
Also that ongoing drought and hotter weather that “isn’t happening”, and poor management by industry that fought prescribed fire for decades, increasing risk by creaming off the forests for profit, and not legitimately thinning, or selectively cutting the “big stuff” in favor of more profitable clear cutting.
WarBush almost 13 years ago
You talking about Florida, right? Its kinda obvious.
Carolo1 almost 13 years ago
Gov.Brewer?
scottfroberts almost 13 years ago
Funny how the left only believes in God when they want him to destroy those they hate, which happens to be 80% of the country.
Loco80 almost 13 years ago
Trout getting paranoid again… always been hotter than usual weather somewhere, always been extreme temps and precipitaions and winds and ….etc,etc, The difference is that now we have the technology to actually measure and record more extremes, when before we just endured without ability to document. Either that or maybe it IS time for the seas to boil, and the skys to fall. If the second coming is soon, are YOU ready? Trout?Bad Kitty – . what?True the libs don’t believe, and they only offer misspoken quotes when convenient, but what?
trm almost 13 years ago
Dunno what part of the country you live in, Trout, but here in the Northwest it was the enviros who fought responsible forest fire suppression efforts (selective tree and underbrush thinning) tooth and nail for decades. They wanted (and still want) nothing taken out of the forest, ever, for any reason.
Motivemagus almost 13 years ago
From what I read, trm — and trout knows more than I do based on his background — the issue is a combination of loggers preventing natural fires cleansing the ground, increased grassland for grazing, and major drought, meaning we have a weakened, dry, overcrowded forest waiting for a fire.See this article by Chip Ward — a bit overwrought, but with interesting background.http://www.salon.com/news/global_warming/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/06/16/global_warming_wildfires
Dtroutma almost 13 years ago
trm- I too live in the northwest, and worked putting on prescribed fires starting in the early 70’s in the Sierra Nevada. I fought fires before that, and over the years have observed both climate changes, and the changes in our fuel loading. Which, btw- it was the TIMBER INDUSTRY that fought us tooth and nail for decades on prescribed fire, NOT “environmentalists”. When “big timber” hauled out “salvage” after any fire, 90% were big sticks that hadn’t been damaged, AT ALL, by the fires. Continued clear cuts, often without the oft claimed “restoration”, in fact usually, are what led to the mess we’re in on our forests, in addition to climate change that is clearly the result of human activity. It is evident in Florida, Colorado, California, Texas, Arizona, Washington, and Oregon! I haven’t been in the very upper northeast much, but the “great plains” have also been totally altered throughout the midwest by agriculture and other human activities.(Like poisoning the Ogalala aquifer with fertilizers.)
While lighting DOES start the majority of wildfires, humans really do their best under drought conditions when TV weathermen get the arsonists going with their warnings.
Sorry, mm and fennec, but hopelessly ignorant people have been getting to me today- you and a few others aren’t in that realm, but odd how the Ailes fanatics can’t read beyond the lines of phony propaganda he and his minions pump out.
scottfroberts almost 13 years ago
Read his comment and stop stalking me.