Until Netanyahu, and the “righties” agree to work toward true settlelments with their Palestinian residents, and neighbors, there will be no “peace”, especially as they keep taking more pieces of other’s land.
Rogers has it right. It’s like choosing between the Crips and the Bloods. We choose Israel because we have more Jews in the US eligible to vote, but we soft pedal it because we want Arab oil.
Jews and Arabs are BOTH SEMITES! As Prince Faisal said at the end of WW I, when with T.E. Lawrence, he went to Britain to plead the case with the Zionists that as “brothers of the same tribe”, Palestine should be divided and shared between them. Balfour, and the Peel Commission agreed, and drew lines, but in ‘48 the U.N. drew different lines, then in ’67, Israel attacked it’s neighbors FIRST, declaring “preemptive strikes”, and took the land the U.N. denied them.
LIke lookiside, and despite all the attacks I get from the “AIPAC types” here, I DO respect a lot of the things the Israelis have accomplished. Mossad, and the Israeli military, IS very competent, but, I DO NOT agree with some of their “political tactics”(Like bombing Iraq and Syria). Those Israelis willing to establish peace with their internal citizens, and neighbors, I DO HAVE high regard for! It is the “nut fringe” of Netanyahu and Likud I take strong exception too, just like the radical right in our OWN COUNTRY who declared war on Iraq, and Afghanistan, with NO JUST CAUSE!
Screaming won’t help make your point any clearer. My point is that you make a case for peace loving Israelites, but there should be a consensus of peace loving Israelites, Arabs, Palestinians, Persians-the 4 sides. Sorry you don’t understand why I had to shoot people who weren’t being very peaceful towards me. If you can’t see beyond “America’s at fault”, I’ll just consider you to be like the other pull toys in this forum.
Gladius: one more time, WHY should someone who’s lived in the same place, for 200 generations, be required to seek “sanctuary”, in another country??? (Especially to turn their land over to someone who arrived from Russia in 1952? Or the U.S. in 2008?)
Note: Moses left Egypt, and took his tribe into the land of others, where they started killing off the “natives” and taking the land. Joshua and others were a quite homicidal group of sociopaths, if you just read their own “record”.
Egyptian records under Ramses II’s son, only reflect a “minor tribe” called Hebrews, who were a trouble-making group hardly worth noting. There isn’t a single record supporting any of the “myths” in Exodus, except the “Hebrew record”.
BUT, a lot of religions have their myths, and that is FINE! EXCEPT, if they use those myths as a rationale to destroy others. THAT is the real problem with Netanyahu and the “extreme right-wing” in Israel today. It is ALSO the problem with the extreme right-wing in IRAN!! NUT CASES ARE NUT CASES.
It’s time for the rest of the world to act like “grownups”, and stop putting up with EITHER of these groups’ stealing other people’s “toys”, and land, with their temper tantrums that are getting people KILLED!
Glad the impaled on “anti-logic”: there is no such “ethnicity” as “Americans”, so it’s okay for Mexicans, Hindus, or Japanese to take our land? BTW: my maternal grandfather was Cherokee, so my “ethnic background” IS familiar with a bunch of ignorant savages (Jackson and Congress) stealing the land of a “civilized” people.
It’s a hunk of desert for God sake! Maybe we should do what we do when kids fight over a toy. Take it away from both of them. Maybe we should nuke after so nobody would want to/could live there.
"It’s a hunk of desert “No, not even most of it; arid, yes but it has very fertile areas which also existed before ’48.”Maybe we should do what we do when kids fight over a toy."“We”? Cute but telling. Hmmm, I sense some(!) frustration so I’ll give the patronising & callous comments a pass…
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Until Netanyahu, and the “righties” agree to work toward true settlelments with their Palestinian residents, and neighbors, there will be no “peace”, especially as they keep taking more pieces of other’s land.
walruscarver2000 over 11 years ago
Rogers has it right. It’s like choosing between the Crips and the Bloods. We choose Israel because we have more Jews in the US eligible to vote, but we soft pedal it because we want Arab oil.
Gladius over 11 years ago
All of you need to understand that almost every country around Israel wants them destroyed. Try to live with that.
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Jews and Arabs are BOTH SEMITES! As Prince Faisal said at the end of WW I, when with T.E. Lawrence, he went to Britain to plead the case with the Zionists that as “brothers of the same tribe”, Palestine should be divided and shared between them. Balfour, and the Peel Commission agreed, and drew lines, but in ‘48 the U.N. drew different lines, then in ’67, Israel attacked it’s neighbors FIRST, declaring “preemptive strikes”, and took the land the U.N. denied them.
LIke lookiside, and despite all the attacks I get from the “AIPAC types” here, I DO respect a lot of the things the Israelis have accomplished. Mossad, and the Israeli military, IS very competent, but, I DO NOT agree with some of their “political tactics”(Like bombing Iraq and Syria). Those Israelis willing to establish peace with their internal citizens, and neighbors, I DO HAVE high regard for! It is the “nut fringe” of Netanyahu and Likud I take strong exception too, just like the radical right in our OWN COUNTRY who declared war on Iraq, and Afghanistan, with NO JUST CAUSE!
Peace isn’t stupid, or easy.
aguirra3 over 11 years ago
Screaming won’t help make your point any clearer. My point is that you make a case for peace loving Israelites, but there should be a consensus of peace loving Israelites, Arabs, Palestinians, Persians-the 4 sides. Sorry you don’t understand why I had to shoot people who weren’t being very peaceful towards me. If you can’t see beyond “America’s at fault”, I’ll just consider you to be like the other pull toys in this forum.
Gary Williams Premium Member over 11 years ago
i think a good thirty-mega ton over Jerusalem would settle the Arab Isreali dispute rather nicely
Gary Williams Premium Member over 11 years ago
it would just about wipe out the entire region and the rest of the world could get on with life
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Gladius: one more time, WHY should someone who’s lived in the same place, for 200 generations, be required to seek “sanctuary”, in another country??? (Especially to turn their land over to someone who arrived from Russia in 1952? Or the U.S. in 2008?)
Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Note: Moses left Egypt, and took his tribe into the land of others, where they started killing off the “natives” and taking the land. Joshua and others were a quite homicidal group of sociopaths, if you just read their own “record”.
Egyptian records under Ramses II’s son, only reflect a “minor tribe” called Hebrews, who were a trouble-making group hardly worth noting. There isn’t a single record supporting any of the “myths” in Exodus, except the “Hebrew record”.
BUT, a lot of religions have their myths, and that is FINE! EXCEPT, if they use those myths as a rationale to destroy others. THAT is the real problem with Netanyahu and the “extreme right-wing” in Israel today. It is ALSO the problem with the extreme right-wing in IRAN!! NUT CASES ARE NUT CASES.
It’s time for the rest of the world to act like “grownups”, and stop putting up with EITHER of these groups’ stealing other people’s “toys”, and land, with their temper tantrums that are getting people KILLED!Dtroutma over 11 years ago
Glad the impaled on “anti-logic”: there is no such “ethnicity” as “Americans”, so it’s okay for Mexicans, Hindus, or Japanese to take our land? BTW: my maternal grandfather was Cherokee, so my “ethnic background” IS familiar with a bunch of ignorant savages (Jackson and Congress) stealing the land of a “civilized” people.
dannysixpack over 11 years ago
dtrout/heavyb
when are we going to give texas back to the mexicans…
and the rest of the united states back to the native americans?
let’s start with your homes.
walruscarver2000 over 11 years ago
It’s a hunk of desert for God sake! Maybe we should do what we do when kids fight over a toy. Take it away from both of them. Maybe we should nuke after so nobody would want to/could live there.
OmqR-IV.0 over 11 years ago
"It’s a hunk of desert “No, not even most of it; arid, yes but it has very fertile areas which also existed before ’48.”Maybe we should do what we do when kids fight over a toy."“We”? Cute but telling. Hmmm, I sense some(!) frustration so I’ll give the patronising & callous comments a pass…