Just please PROVE to me WITH context ANY Republican who has claimed to want to keep women from contraceptives. You can’t. We just don’t want to PAY for them. Hey, use all the contraceptives that you want. Just don’t pick MY pocket to GET them! And don’t give me the, “What about for health reason?”. That’s a separate issue and is ALREADY covered under a health plan when needed for that. But when wanted for just sex? Get it yourself Or you can already go to ANY Planned Parenthood clinic and get ALL the contraceptives your little self wants for little or nothing to have your fun. And for the health issue reason? Planned Parenthood will already help with that too. So…really…why all the sudden fuss from you Dems over this issue?
No one is demanding free and clear sex paid for by taxpayers. The right is demanding that their insurance, paid for by WOMEN THEMSELVES, not cover family planning, which is needed mostly by women. It’s like asking men to pay for the cost of their own heart attacks because it’ll bring the cost of insurance down. More hate from the right. Much good may it do you in November.
I find it interesting how some (most?) of the commentators defending this cartoon have twisted the truth. Either that or they are too dumb to really understand the facts. The President’s order directs employers to make sure that contraceptives are covered as part of any health insurance offered. Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE is there any mention of taxes having one single, solitary thing to do with this. So folks, if you have a point to make, at least make it with facts having to do with the topic and not total malarky.
Contreseptives covered by tax payers, no. But increased premiums for my insurance coverage, yes. I pay for my contreceptives on my own, outside of my insurance, I prefer condoms as they do double duty, no babies and no STDs both of which my insurance does cover. Although I do know that the trojans that I buy don’t clear my complexion, help me lose weight nor improve my mood like the pill does. No wonder they want the pill covered.
OH, once again it is a right for everyone else to pay for someone else who wants to get laid. You want to have fun in the sack, take personal responsiblility and buy your birth control yourself
the Dems have snookered the haters of conservatives into parroting the “GOP war on women” which is an invention in behind-the-scenes plotting sessions on how to turn attention away from the Obama Dems trying to make null and void the separation of State from controlling Church!-the opposition to a federal MANDATE for religious employers to supply or pay for insurance to supply services and products that their Faith disapproves, has never tried to keep one female from working or buying insurance of personal choice.One thing is surer than Taxes….LIARS KEEP LYING and the Democrats in control in D.C. certainly are daily lying, as is much of the MSM…
Insurance is funded by premiums, not “taxes”. Employers running a BUSINESS, like hospitals etc, are NOT the “church”. The exemption for truly “religious” institutions, but NOT businesses, is valid.(but out of the 7th century BCE text).
A PRIVATE, non-government hospital may indeed be run by a religious organization. Several religions have problems with some medical practices, transfusion for example. If the ONLY hospital in town, or available, is run by that group, and you’re in an accident and taken there, requiring a transfusion to save your life, do you have “second thoughts”.
“Civil rights” means that if YOU pay for an insurance policy, it isn’t a “government” program, but in PART paid for by your employer, as a business, you should be bound by the same rules as other businesses.
BUT! Again retuning to the cartoon intent. When ANY class of people are denied rights to life(medical care), Liberty(freedom of choice), and the pursuit of happiness (a decent expectation of personal freedom), the Constitution is denied. No political party, or group, should be allowed to deny those rights.
The real issue is whether women in this country are to be governed by RELIGIOUS BELIEFS of “others”, or by law. The current “debate” in the Republican party seems to see who can be MORE RELIGIOUS than the other in the way they would GOVERN! THAT is a clear violation of Article Six of the Constitution, clearly placing a “religious test” on the sanctity of any candidate. It is disturbing, because the same party attacking women, is also making an effort to control and destroy Islam, or ANYONE not of “their faith”.
THAT is what I’ve fought against in many ways. Worship any way you want, but do NOT inflict any element of that faith on others, even those who ARE among your own faith, but with a slightly different interpretation of that faith. Contraception is indeed argued within several “faiths”, and the ancient hierarchy seems to be LOSING that argument with a majority of their “following”.
“Birth contrl pills are available for $9 a month without insurance at the Kmart pharmnacy near Georgetown.”-————-And, one size fits all, all the time! Hmmm, let’s see, two pills to address ED are available. Viagra or Cialis? maybe one size doesn’t fit all. Is that $9 pill the same as the others available?
latest news….HHS Sibelious just mandated that everyone signed up for Obamacare’s coverage must pay an extra $1.00 a month for contraceptives for others….($1.00 to start with, no doubt rising as all other costs for insurance have increased in price of premiums.)
^besides the biggest flaw, that religious organizations have civil liberties that trump the civil liberties of employers,
health insurance benefits are EARNED by the employees as part of their compensation. the fact that the employer pays for a portion of it does not eliminate this FACT.
The earned benefit of the individual employee is theirs, not subject to the scrutiny of their employer.
I thought the issue was forcing the Catholic church to pay for contraception, which their beliefs are at odds with. Anybody can go to the public clinic and get birth control any times. We’ve already been paying for contraception for anybody who wants it free for quite a while now. I’m not Catholic, but if that’s the official church doctrine, you should follow your church’s doctrine or get in another church. The entire issue was set up as an election year gimmick anyway as a wedge issue between women and Republicans.
Bruce: with all due respect, you sound like Santorum, “leave us be”, then “or you will all die”. Truth be told, there are very few true “moderates” left in any “power” position in the Republican party, and it started before Reagan was actually elected.
Since my days in combat, I’ve sown the seeds of peace, not war; negotiation, not attack first, and yes, though I get “angry”, I don’t hate blindly, or foment hatred among my fellow humans. So, I hope to reap far better crops than anyone on the far right today, which they define as “moderate”.
love doesn’t require absolute pacifism, but it does require applied intelligence, including a real world assessment of our species impacts on the world, and each other, not just violent mythology barely masked with a few cliches.
Bruce: again, we often agree to disagree, and without much animus between us (hopefully). To paraphrase a tad " the only way to the father is through me", is taken by too many “good Christians” as confirmation that you’re either “Christian” or going to Hell, period. This leads to a good deal of condemnation and “superior attitude”, especially among many evangelicals, of ANY other faiths. This leads to the treatment of others with that same “condemnation”, including wars upon them, through “politics” or actual physical attacks, like justifying attacking any Muslims with the same fervor they accuse Muslims of, in blanket condemnation.
“Revelations” of course is the basis for this view, but, the “my god’s better than your god” concept isn’t hardly new to societies. An Ank int time, saves nine??
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Is just telling these guys to “buzz” off the contraception that might really be frustrating them?
Don Winchester Premium Member about 12 years ago
Just please PROVE to me WITH context ANY Republican who has claimed to want to keep women from contraceptives. You can’t. We just don’t want to PAY for them. Hey, use all the contraceptives that you want. Just don’t pick MY pocket to GET them! And don’t give me the, “What about for health reason?”. That’s a separate issue and is ALREADY covered under a health plan when needed for that. But when wanted for just sex? Get it yourself Or you can already go to ANY Planned Parenthood clinic and get ALL the contraceptives your little self wants for little or nothing to have your fun. And for the health issue reason? Planned Parenthood will already help with that too. So…really…why all the sudden fuss from you Dems over this issue?
ARodney about 12 years ago
No one is demanding free and clear sex paid for by taxpayers. The right is demanding that their insurance, paid for by WOMEN THEMSELVES, not cover family planning, which is needed mostly by women. It’s like asking men to pay for the cost of their own heart attacks because it’ll bring the cost of insurance down. More hate from the right. Much good may it do you in November.
TexTech about 12 years ago
I find it interesting how some (most?) of the commentators defending this cartoon have twisted the truth. Either that or they are too dumb to really understand the facts. The President’s order directs employers to make sure that contraceptives are covered as part of any health insurance offered. Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE is there any mention of taxes having one single, solitary thing to do with this. So folks, if you have a point to make, at least make it with facts having to do with the topic and not total malarky.
garysr87 about 12 years ago
They don’t want contraceptives covered by insurance but they do want their viagra covered
gm2usnr about 12 years ago
Contreseptives covered by tax payers, no. But increased premiums for my insurance coverage, yes. I pay for my contreceptives on my own, outside of my insurance, I prefer condoms as they do double duty, no babies and no STDs both of which my insurance does cover. Although I do know that the trojans that I buy don’t clear my complexion, help me lose weight nor improve my mood like the pill does. No wonder they want the pill covered.
gm2usnr about 12 years ago
Spell check!!! Contraceptives, sorry
jsmithnctx about 12 years ago
OH, once again it is a right for everyone else to pay for someone else who wants to get laid. You want to have fun in the sack, take personal responsiblility and buy your birth control yourself
rini1946 about 12 years ago
I’m glad you pointed that out a lot of people missed that
disgustedtaxpayer about 12 years ago
the Dems have snookered the haters of conservatives into parroting the “GOP war on women” which is an invention in behind-the-scenes plotting sessions on how to turn attention away from the Obama Dems trying to make null and void the separation of State from controlling Church!-the opposition to a federal MANDATE for religious employers to supply or pay for insurance to supply services and products that their Faith disapproves, has never tried to keep one female from working or buying insurance of personal choice.One thing is surer than Taxes….LIARS KEEP LYING and the Democrats in control in D.C. certainly are daily lying, as is much of the MSM…
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Insurance is funded by premiums, not “taxes”. Employers running a BUSINESS, like hospitals etc, are NOT the “church”. The exemption for truly “religious” institutions, but NOT businesses, is valid.(but out of the 7th century BCE text).
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
A PRIVATE, non-government hospital may indeed be run by a religious organization. Several religions have problems with some medical practices, transfusion for example. If the ONLY hospital in town, or available, is run by that group, and you’re in an accident and taken there, requiring a transfusion to save your life, do you have “second thoughts”.
“Civil rights” means that if YOU pay for an insurance policy, it isn’t a “government” program, but in PART paid for by your employer, as a business, you should be bound by the same rules as other businesses.
BUT! Again retuning to the cartoon intent. When ANY class of people are denied rights to life(medical care), Liberty(freedom of choice), and the pursuit of happiness (a decent expectation of personal freedom), the Constitution is denied. No political party, or group, should be allowed to deny those rights.
The real issue is whether women in this country are to be governed by RELIGIOUS BELIEFS of “others”, or by law. The current “debate” in the Republican party seems to see who can be MORE RELIGIOUS than the other in the way they would GOVERN! THAT is a clear violation of Article Six of the Constitution, clearly placing a “religious test” on the sanctity of any candidate. It is disturbing, because the same party attacking women, is also making an effort to control and destroy Islam, or ANYONE not of “their faith”.
THAT is what I’ve fought against in many ways. Worship any way you want, but do NOT inflict any element of that faith on others, even those who ARE among your own faith, but with a slightly different interpretation of that faith. Contraception is indeed argued within several “faiths”, and the ancient hierarchy seems to be LOSING that argument with a majority of their “following”.
agate1 about 12 years ago
Conservatives say no to birth control, but hold out a go to war sign and they get absolutely, deliriously tumescent.
cjr53 about 12 years ago
“Birth contrl pills are available for $9 a month without insurance at the Kmart pharmnacy near Georgetown.”-————-And, one size fits all, all the time! Hmmm, let’s see, two pills to address ED are available. Viagra or Cialis? maybe one size doesn’t fit all. Is that $9 pill the same as the others available?
disgustedtaxpayer about 12 years ago
disgustedtaxpayer said
latest news….HHS Sibelious just mandated that everyone signed up for Obamacare’s coverage must pay an extra $1.00 a month for contraceptives for others….($1.00 to start with, no doubt rising as all other costs for insurance have increased in price of premiums.)
dannysixpack about 12 years ago
^besides the biggest flaw, that religious organizations have civil liberties that trump the civil liberties of employers,
health insurance benefits are EARNED by the employees as part of their compensation. the fact that the employer pays for a portion of it does not eliminate this FACT.
The earned benefit of the individual employee is theirs, not subject to the scrutiny of their employer.
dannysixpack about 12 years ago
i’m listening to hannity. by what bizarre theory does an employer have the right to impose his/her religious beliefs on employees?
is this feudalism?
bobviously about 12 years ago
I thought the issue was forcing the Catholic church to pay for contraception, which their beliefs are at odds with. Anybody can go to the public clinic and get birth control any times. We’ve already been paying for contraception for anybody who wants it free for quite a while now. I’m not Catholic, but if that’s the official church doctrine, you should follow your church’s doctrine or get in another church. The entire issue was set up as an election year gimmick anyway as a wedge issue between women and Republicans.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Bruce: with all due respect, you sound like Santorum, “leave us be”, then “or you will all die”. Truth be told, there are very few true “moderates” left in any “power” position in the Republican party, and it started before Reagan was actually elected.
Since my days in combat, I’ve sown the seeds of peace, not war; negotiation, not attack first, and yes, though I get “angry”, I don’t hate blindly, or foment hatred among my fellow humans. So, I hope to reap far better crops than anyone on the far right today, which they define as “moderate”.
love doesn’t require absolute pacifism, but it does require applied intelligence, including a real world assessment of our species impacts on the world, and each other, not just violent mythology barely masked with a few cliches.
Dtroutma about 12 years ago
Bruce: again, we often agree to disagree, and without much animus between us (hopefully). To paraphrase a tad " the only way to the father is through me", is taken by too many “good Christians” as confirmation that you’re either “Christian” or going to Hell, period. This leads to a good deal of condemnation and “superior attitude”, especially among many evangelicals, of ANY other faiths. This leads to the treatment of others with that same “condemnation”, including wars upon them, through “politics” or actual physical attacks, like justifying attacking any Muslims with the same fervor they accuse Muslims of, in blanket condemnation.
“Revelations” of course is the basis for this view, but, the “my god’s better than your god” concept isn’t hardly new to societies. An Ank int time, saves nine??