Hey, the soldiers know how to get out. It’s the politicians who don’t.
Turn the job over the generals and we’ll be out before the new year. LET THEM FIGHT!!
Ben your statement is generalized and reductionist. It offers no material basis for proceeding what so ever. You merely state that if soldiers were allowed to fight they would win. Well, then, please exaplain to me who what and how they should be fighting?
There is a fractured country with war lords, insurgents, terrorists and disgruntled civilians. There is basically zero infrastructure except in Kabul and there is no government except in Kabul. So Ben please, enlighten me as to your policy here, because all I see here are the inane ramblings of a hot head who things the can just bust in pull an A-Team (break in guns akimbo, shoot up the place and the enemy will give up not before trying to flee in a car, which will promptly be blown up and flipped with its passangers gently leaving without a scratch on them) and expect the whole thing to be resolved.
Ben, pull your head out of you @ss and check the facts on the ground before you make simplistic comments in public.
both these wars are stoopid, just like ‘Nam was stoopid, and all the other wars before that!!Who starts the wars in the first place? governments…if left to regular folks, we’d all get along…
As much as I agree with furnituremaker, I do not believe that if left to our vices we would all get along. In fact there is NOTHING in our collective history that would ever show us to be a peace-loving people. The only thing that has ever allowed us even a micron of peace is the collaboration of governments in stopping war.
^wow, I just posted about what a radical nutjob you where earlier, but this, THIS takes the cake.
Can someone please call the FBI, I think we might have ourselves another possible Hasan here (Neo Conservative Christian Jihad possibly?)
“Bush was a good CinC. These ignorant lefties think Iraq went from Saddam Hussein’s rule to the stuggling Democracy it is today solely by Tinkerbell waving her magic fairy wand. But it didn’t happen that way. Bush’s vision and unwavering committment was instrumental in helping to bring this about.”
Had anyone else written this I would have played with the joke. Yet you just might be serious.
Let’s just start with this: if Bush were a good CinC, he wouldn’t have left Afghanistan and done nothing there for 6 years. He also wouldn’t have been milling about in Iraq for several years. Prior to the combination of the surge, the stepping up of local players in Iraq (a.k..a Anbar Awakening) and the US’ decision to divide and conquer*, Iraq was going from bad to worse for several years, all on Bush’s watch. Good commander, as if. There was no Tinkerbell in Iraq, and for a long time there was no plan either. The US army had to all but reduce to rubble a city - Falluja - that it had previously controlled.
Right now Iraq is a struggling democracy about as much as Afghanistan is. The local warlords and sheikhs have consolidated power, the mixed neighborhoods have had their sectarian cleansing, and many people have flat out left the country. Actually, I’d say the biggest winner in Iraq was Iran.
*: American soldiers and commanders commented on it as well - some of their allies in 2007/8 were groups that had fought them before.
This administration is who needs to get their heads [on straight].
We fought a war in Vietnam not unlike that against the Taliban - guerillas who blend in to the countryside as peasants.
As a Vietnam veteran, we knew back then that we could have won the war if LBJ and his cohorts had gotten out of the way. We were FORBIDDEN to win by POLITICIANS. We OWNED the air, just as we do in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the first few years, the ground battles were almost always won by about a 10 to 1 margin. We couldn’t chase the “bad guys” across the border into Laos or Cambodia. (I know, there was some action there, but it was very limited.) Johnson GAVE the south to the commies by NOT ALLOWING us to win.
I say again, the BUREAUCRATS ARE LOSING THE WAR FOR US IF THEY DON’T LET THE MILITARY DO THE JOB FOR WHICH IT HAS TRAINED, AND FOR WHICH MANY HAVE GIVEN THE “LAST FULL MEASURE OF DEVOTION.”
Hey…that building looks familiar. I think I did a cordon and knock there in 05. Maybe it was Mosul in 07. Regardless.
a.c.d, what a ridiculous generalization you make. The A team?
Not sure Johnson made us lose Viet Nam, either.
As one of four instruments of national power, the military is quite adept at pulling its load. As a general rule, the branches of the DoD are very good at engaging with and destroying the enemy in their respective spheres.
Certainly it has been hard and costly while the military relearned some old lessons as it retooled and refocused from Cold War strategies to guerilla tactics. But, when the military is asked to plan, resource, and implement the remaining power intruments - the results get more muddled. Generals and their subordinates as a rule make poor substitutes for State, Justice, Treasury, etc. officials who have hedged their commitment to the Nation’s call. Thus, we all pay for their incompetence in blood and treasure - as an extracted game of political competition plays out at our expense.
So a.c.d, DrCanuck, and versipellis picked up on a rather remarkable item there. I almost can’t believe that every single post after scottfreitas’s hasn’t been a vociferous rebuke of his insular perversion of patriotism.
People? He just called for violent jihad against law-abiding American citizens that he deems infidels. Openly. Where’s the outrage, folks?
For posterity, I’ll paste his exact words below. It’s entirely unlikely that he will feel remorse for his bellicose words, but in the event he regrets so openly advertising his “mission from God”, I’d hate for others to not be able to know what he said.
This, from scottfreitas on November 17, 2009:
Thanks for the laugh Canuck.
Don’t worry, I too view you as being some sickening species of alien life form beamed down to Earth from the planet Fool. You hate everything I love and love everything I hate. If it were possible, I would gladly enlist in a Civil War in which both Left and Right were allowed to fight it out in the same fashion as North and South. I mean, GLADLY.
THAT would be a cause worth fighting and dying for: to live in an America free of the evil and destructive Left, allowed to restore our Liberty again, and enjoy actual First Amendment religious freedom like we used to, rather than being subjected to a bizarre combination of radical feminism and Islamic sharia law as we all are today, under the phony mask of “political correctness”.
tpenna: Unless someone points out something Freitas said before or his posts is a short 2 liner that even skimming over it picks it up, I skip his rants altogether. DrC is correct, he’s a troll.
In the above DrC probably mentions another truth.
«Scottfreitas» here reveals himself as a religious fundamentalist, who believes that those of another opinion must be wiped out in order to bring about the purification necessary to usher in the Kingdom of God. That a struggle of this type would destroy the country he claims to love (and possibly lead to the destruction of humanity as a whole - imagine the US Civil War fought with the country’s nuclear weapons arsenal) is irrelevant ; his Kingdom is of another world. Religious paranoia, which I have had the experience of treating in forensic settings is a dangerous ailment - and more so in a country in which the procurement of firearms is as easy as it is in the US. Let us hope that it remains confined to talk on this forum and does not find other, more serious forms of expression….
ben_david over 14 years ago
Hey, the soldiers know how to get out. It’s the politicians who don’t. Turn the job over the generals and we’ll be out before the new year. LET THEM FIGHT!!
comYics over 14 years ago
Looks as though another wall is going to have to fall.
a.c.d over 14 years ago
Ben your statement is generalized and reductionist. It offers no material basis for proceeding what so ever. You merely state that if soldiers were allowed to fight they would win. Well, then, please exaplain to me who what and how they should be fighting?
There is a fractured country with war lords, insurgents, terrorists and disgruntled civilians. There is basically zero infrastructure except in Kabul and there is no government except in Kabul. So Ben please, enlighten me as to your policy here, because all I see here are the inane ramblings of a hot head who things the can just bust in pull an A-Team (break in guns akimbo, shoot up the place and the enemy will give up not before trying to flee in a car, which will promptly be blown up and flipped with its passangers gently leaving without a scratch on them) and expect the whole thing to be resolved.
Ben, pull your head out of you @ss and check the facts on the ground before you make simplistic comments in public.
woodwork over 14 years ago
both these wars are stoopid, just like ‘Nam was stoopid, and all the other wars before that!!Who starts the wars in the first place? governments…if left to regular folks, we’d all get along…
a.c.d over 14 years ago
As much as I agree with furnituremaker, I do not believe that if left to our vices we would all get along. In fact there is NOTHING in our collective history that would ever show us to be a peace-loving people. The only thing that has ever allowed us even a micron of peace is the collaboration of governments in stopping war.
Jaedabee Premium Member over 14 years ago
“if left to regular folks, we’d all get along…”
Are Jihadists “government”?brawny80 over 14 years ago
SERVE OUR COUNTRY
bradwilliams over 14 years ago
Bush was a good CinC? Are you really that delusional?
believecommonsense over 14 years ago
^ ditto
a.c.d over 14 years ago
^wow, I just posted about what a radical nutjob you where earlier, but this, THIS takes the cake. Can someone please call the FBI, I think we might have ourselves another possible Hasan here (Neo Conservative Christian Jihad possibly?)
HUMPHRIES over 14 years ago
oldie, troll ? Not yet , just a burr under the saddle at times (aren’t all zoomies?) but you do hit on a good point now and again . Hang in there.
comYics over 14 years ago
Atheism=the belief that one should roll over and die.
versipellis over 14 years ago
The Civil War was an awful moment in American history. People who disagree should not have to fight it out! Let’s talk it out, find a common ground!
All this comic is saying is that Afghanistan is a mess. Do we have to argue about who is responsible?
4uk4ata over 14 years ago
“Bush was a good CinC. These ignorant lefties think Iraq went from Saddam Hussein’s rule to the stuggling Democracy it is today solely by Tinkerbell waving her magic fairy wand. But it didn’t happen that way. Bush’s vision and unwavering committment was instrumental in helping to bring this about.”
Had anyone else written this I would have played with the joke. Yet you just might be serious.
Let’s just start with this: if Bush were a good CinC, he wouldn’t have left Afghanistan and done nothing there for 6 years. He also wouldn’t have been milling about in Iraq for several years. Prior to the combination of the surge, the stepping up of local players in Iraq (a.k..a Anbar Awakening) and the US’ decision to divide and conquer*, Iraq was going from bad to worse for several years, all on Bush’s watch. Good commander, as if. There was no Tinkerbell in Iraq, and for a long time there was no plan either. The US army had to all but reduce to rubble a city - Falluja - that it had previously controlled.
Right now Iraq is a struggling democracy about as much as Afghanistan is. The local warlords and sheikhs have consolidated power, the mixed neighborhoods have had their sectarian cleansing, and many people have flat out left the country. Actually, I’d say the biggest winner in Iraq was Iran.
*: American soldiers and commanders commented on it as well - some of their allies in 2007/8 were groups that had fought them before.
ben_david over 14 years ago
This administration is who needs to get their heads [on straight].
We fought a war in Vietnam not unlike that against the Taliban - guerillas who blend in to the countryside as peasants.
As a Vietnam veteran, we knew back then that we could have won the war if LBJ and his cohorts had gotten out of the way. We were FORBIDDEN to win by POLITICIANS. We OWNED the air, just as we do in Iraq and Afghanistan. In the first few years, the ground battles were almost always won by about a 10 to 1 margin. We couldn’t chase the “bad guys” across the border into Laos or Cambodia. (I know, there was some action there, but it was very limited.) Johnson GAVE the south to the commies by NOT ALLOWING us to win.
I say again, the BUREAUCRATS ARE LOSING THE WAR FOR US IF THEY DON’T LET THE MILITARY DO THE JOB FOR WHICH IT HAS TRAINED, AND FOR WHICH MANY HAVE GIVEN THE “LAST FULL MEASURE OF DEVOTION.”
TGT over 14 years ago
Hey…that building looks familiar. I think I did a cordon and knock there in 05. Maybe it was Mosul in 07. Regardless.
a.c.d, what a ridiculous generalization you make. The A team?
Not sure Johnson made us lose Viet Nam, either.
As one of four instruments of national power, the military is quite adept at pulling its load. As a general rule, the branches of the DoD are very good at engaging with and destroying the enemy in their respective spheres.
Certainly it has been hard and costly while the military relearned some old lessons as it retooled and refocused from Cold War strategies to guerilla tactics. But, when the military is asked to plan, resource, and implement the remaining power intruments - the results get more muddled. Generals and their subordinates as a rule make poor substitutes for State, Justice, Treasury, etc. officials who have hedged their commitment to the Nation’s call. Thus, we all pay for their incompetence in blood and treasure - as an extracted game of political competition plays out at our expense.
tpenna over 14 years ago
So a.c.d, DrCanuck, and versipellis picked up on a rather remarkable item there. I almost can’t believe that every single post after scottfreitas’s hasn’t been a vociferous rebuke of his insular perversion of patriotism.
People? He just called for violent jihad against law-abiding American citizens that he deems infidels. Openly. Where’s the outrage, folks?
For posterity, I’ll paste his exact words below. It’s entirely unlikely that he will feel remorse for his bellicose words, but in the event he regrets so openly advertising his “mission from God”, I’d hate for others to not be able to know what he said.
This, from scottfreitas on November 17, 2009:
Thanks for the laugh Canuck.
Don’t worry, I too view you as being some sickening species of alien life form beamed down to Earth from the planet Fool. You hate everything I love and love everything I hate. If it were possible, I would gladly enlist in a Civil War in which both Left and Right were allowed to fight it out in the same fashion as North and South. I mean, GLADLY.
THAT would be a cause worth fighting and dying for: to live in an America free of the evil and destructive Left, allowed to restore our Liberty again, and enjoy actual First Amendment religious freedom like we used to, rather than being subjected to a bizarre combination of radical feminism and Islamic sharia law as we all are today, under the phony mask of “political correctness”.
OmqR-IV.0 over 14 years ago
tpenna: Unless someone points out something Freitas said before or his posts is a short 2 liner that even skimming over it picks it up, I skip his rants altogether. DrC is correct, he’s a troll. In the above DrC probably mentions another truth.
mhenriday over 14 years ago
«Scottfreitas» here reveals himself as a religious fundamentalist, who believes that those of another opinion must be wiped out in order to bring about the purification necessary to usher in the Kingdom of God. That a struggle of this type would destroy the country he claims to love (and possibly lead to the destruction of humanity as a whole - imagine the US Civil War fought with the country’s nuclear weapons arsenal) is irrelevant ; his Kingdom is of another world. Religious paranoia, which I have had the experience of treating in forensic settings is a dangerous ailment - and more so in a country in which the procurement of firearms is as easy as it is in the US. Let us hope that it remains confined to talk on this forum and does not find other, more serious forms of expression….
Henri