Hm… Doesn’t “fractured, tribal” exclude any notion of “nationstate?” Because the latter implies some sort of unified/pacified people that, despite their differences locally, at the national level feel they have something in common which is worth fighting for.
Come to think of it, the best way to turn Afghanistan into a “nationstate” would be to wage all-out war, kill more Afghans and bomb them to Kingdom Come. That would certainly unite them against their common enemy, the US of A.
But I like the option to LEAVE THEM ALONE. However, as long as there’s going to be an oil-gas pipeline across Afghanistan, the west will never leave the Afghanis alone.
Btw, the last succesful American warpresident was FDR. “Desert Storm” wasn’t much of a war besides if Bush I had in any way discouraged Saddam to invade Kuwait, Saddam would not have done what he did. Because Saddam, despite all the US propaganda, was no fool.
Oh my god Scott, You are so stupid… sorry, misinformed. Please read a history book and stop getting in the way of people trying to have a conversation based on facts.
I suppose Reagan would have made the “honorable” move and declared war on Russia as soon as the Russians got through beating Germany on the Eastern front. Only the insane right in America would see WW2 as a war that Wasn’t long enough.
Lavocat over 14 years ago
Obama just made Our Man Hamid an offer he couldn’t refuse, lest he “lose his head” so to speak.
Nice little sinecure ya got there, Hamid! Be a shame if something were to, er, happen to it, eh?
“I get it! I get it!”
goulo over 14 years ago
Scott: Repeatedly calling Obama “Osama” is about as clever as the people who insist on always writing “Micro$oft”.
audieholland over 14 years ago
Hm… Doesn’t “fractured, tribal” exclude any notion of “nationstate?” Because the latter implies some sort of unified/pacified people that, despite their differences locally, at the national level feel they have something in common which is worth fighting for.
Come to think of it, the best way to turn Afghanistan into a “nationstate” would be to wage all-out war, kill more Afghans and bomb them to Kingdom Come. That would certainly unite them against their common enemy, the US of A.
But I like the option to LEAVE THEM ALONE. However, as long as there’s going to be an oil-gas pipeline across Afghanistan, the west will never leave the Afghanis alone.
Btw, the last succesful American warpresident was FDR. “Desert Storm” wasn’t much of a war besides if Bush I had in any way discouraged Saddam to invade Kuwait, Saddam would not have done what he did. Because Saddam, despite all the US propaganda, was no fool.
Dtroutma over 14 years ago
Scott- UNOCAL- Karzai’s group was putting in the pipeline across Afghanistan, they ain’t hardly “Russian”. Wake up or shut up.
Oberon111 over 14 years ago
Oh my god Scott, You are so stupid… sorry, misinformed. Please read a history book and stop getting in the way of people trying to have a conversation based on facts.
I suppose Reagan would have made the “honorable” move and declared war on Russia as soon as the Russians got through beating Germany on the Eastern front. Only the insane right in America would see WW2 as a war that Wasn’t long enough.
Lavocat over 14 years ago
Neoncon Masturbation Fantasy #1:
“Ronald Reagan would have been 10x the WW2 President FDR was, under equal circumstances.”
Christ, I’m STILL belly-laughing over that one!
My god, WTF planet are you people from!?
edmondd over 14 years ago
Folks tone it down, won’t ya?