Fauci cannot lose credibility with the likes of Gorrell’s target audience, since they haven’t ever believed him. And he hasn’t lost any with the rest of us either, because we understand what he’s saying and how it’s supported by facts.
Goofy Gorrell has his ordered for the ongoing “meme of the weak”. The funny thing about science and nature is that things mutate, often to the detriment of the host, if left untreated (unvaccinated). Scientists change their positions based on the change of circumstances, unlike MAGAts, who just tend to get infected and become hosts and breeding grounds to mutating virii.
Dr. Fauci will be (already has been) written into medical history as a dedicated infectious disease expert in a decades-long career fighting against iserious diseases. Whereas, Gorrell will go down in historical histrionics as a hack cartoonist who wasted his drawing talent pushing false and destructive partisan political narratives. Fauci will be honored always. Gorrell (and others of his type) will likely be judged intellectually and artistically venal.
If Gorrell and the Alt-Reich knew anything about science and medicine, they would know that those in the field accept that they aren’t absolute authorities and must change as the facts change. Dr. Fauci strikes me as that type.
Everything Fauci has said has proven to be true. He predicted 500,000 deaths when Trump said Covid would “magically” disappear. Who was telling the truth? Which one has lost credibility?
Dr. Fauci is the most credible expert available to us on the Covid virus. If his conclusions have changed, it’s because the data has changed. Even the computer models are changing as we learn more about these viral strains.
Talk about ignorant, childish, simplistic, unfounded, illogical, ignorant garbage. Oops I have ignorant twice. Good, it needs it.
This is such a poor example of thoughtful, critical thinking. It provides no honest consideration or constructive application of the facts. It’s just a shamful attempt to disguise personal opinion as fact.
Gorrell made the decision to “create” this. Someone else made the decision to publish it. Neither have credibility.
Then Garry did something that the WHO didn’t: He added to the map the locations of the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where scientists study bat coronaviruses. “It’s a very simple thing to do,” Worobey says. “But it really paints a pretty clear picture, right?”
The dots show the cases starting right near the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market and then radiating out from there. “The Huanan market seems like the bull’s-eye of this outbreak. It’s pretty extraordinary.”
What about cases near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which is more than 10 miles from the market? “There are no cases around the WIV,” Worobey says. “If the outbreak did start in the lab, the bottom line is, it would be odd for it not to be spreading from there rather than from elsewhere.”
-“Dr. Fauci has a lack of credibility” says professional cartoonist who copy/pastes the most of his work.
Why does proving the virus was man made matter more than urging your audience to get vaccinated so we can end this pandemic and keep the virus from mutating further?
Even if you did prove the virus was created as a weapon, then what? People don’t have to listen to Dr. Fauci? People don’t have to wear masks? People then don’t have to get the vaccine? people don’t have to take the virus seriously? it lets the Trump administration off the hook for their abysmal response?
In an interview, Fauci said that roughly $600,000 of the grant money went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists there — many of them U.S.-trained — were tasked with nailing down the precise origins of the original SARS-CoV-1 virus that arose in China’s Guangdong Province in 2002. They were also asked to "help us understand what we need to look for” to spot “what might be an inevitable subsequent SARS outbreak.”
That grant allowed scientists to test coronavirus samples harvested from wild animals and their habitats to see whether they were capable of infecting human cells. To do that, the WIV researchers created an experimental “backbone,” a piece of inactivated virus that serves as a standardized testbed. Then, to examine a particular coronavirus sample, they spliced off its spike protein and fused it to the backbone before exposing it to human cells in lab dishes to see if it would grow.
At the time, there was a prohibition against using federal funds for gain-of-function research. That specifically barred “research projects that may be reasonably anticipated" to make influenza and SARS viruses more transmissible and/or more virulent in mammals "via the respiratory route.”
WIV’s adherence to that prohibition was monitored, and if in the course of an experiment a virus appeared to have been made potentially dangerous, the instructions were clear: “The experiments must stop and you’ve got to report to the [NIAID] immediately,” Fauci said.
This bit involves a bit of trust. After all, some changes in transmissibility or virulence occur naturally during lab experiments, and watching for those changes is part of the point of doing them. To document when and how a virus might become capable of jumping to humans, it’s crucial to identify where genetic mutations arise, under what circumstances, and how they may change a virus’ behavior.
Scientists at WIV created hybrid viruses, or chimeras, when they spliced the spike proteins of actual coronaviruses onto viral testbeds — a procedure that makes it easier to isolate the effects of the spike protein, which is key to invading cells.
Two chimeras made with spike proteins from bat coronaviruses were able to infect human cells.
(Note added: This is not a surprise, as people seropositive for the bat virus from which SARS-CoV-2 arose were found in Chinese workers in Yunan province a few years earlier.)
Fauci said the practice of combining spike proteins from the wild with a lab-made viral backbone was standard laboratory procedure. This particular backbone was adapted from pieces of a bat virus “never known to infect humans,” he said.
The experiments were reviewed at many levels by qualified professionals in virology, who judged that it was not gain-of-function work.
“Is it conceivable that somewhere in the Wuhan institute they were looking at viruses that may have leaked out? I’m leaving that to the people who are doing the investigation to figure out,” Fauci said.
But there is “one thing that we are sure of,” he added: “The grant that we funded, and the result of that grant — given in the annual reports, given in the peer-reviewed literature — is not SARS-CoV-2.”
How can he be so sure? There is just too much evolutionary distance between the coronavirus samples the Wuhan scientists were working with — all of them genetically sequenced and detailed in published work — and the virus that causes COVID-19.
This is what Fauci meant when he told lawmakers this week that it was “molecularly impossible” for the viruses examined by WIV to evolve into SARS-CoV-2: Generally, the overlap between the genomes of the viruses in the lab and that of SARS-CoV-2 was no more than 80%.
In evolutionary terms, that’s a chasm. In their critical review, the international group of virologists note that SARS-CoV-2 and its closest known relatives have an overlap of about 96%. That “equates to decades of evolutionary divergence,” they wrote.
replace Fauci face with trump and this cartoon would make sense.
trump virus comments:
Feb. 27: 60 confirmed cases in U.S. Virus will “disappear” one day “like a miracle”
“It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear,” the president said during a White House meeting with African-American leaders.
April 3: 273,880 confirmed cases in U.S. Trump stands by past comments that virus will “go away”
“I said it was going away – and it is going away.” — White House Coronavirus Task Force Briefing.
So correctly predicting that Covi-19 would continue to mutate if not kept in check is now a loss of credibilty? It seems that as usual Gorrell has things completely backward.
Newly surfaced emails show connections among a U.S. health agency headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci, EcoHealth Alliance, and Chinese scientists. The recently exposed documents also show that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were scrambling to find disinfectant and asked a National Institutes of Health official for help.
Judicial Watch obtained 301 pages of emails and other records from National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases officials who had connections with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. According to the documents that were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, the NIAID gave at least nine grants to EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S. nonprofit organization focused on finding unknown viruses and infectious diseases in nature. EcoHealth Alliance reportedly used those NIAID grants to work with Chinese scientists on research such as probing the emergence of a bat coronavirus — years before the COVID-19 pandemic.
The recently emerged emails also show that scientists at China’s Wuhan lab were scrambling to find disinfectant for equipment, including positive pressure personnel suits.The physical facilities of the Wuhan Institute of Virology were completed in January 2015, which made it China’s first biosafety level 4 laboratory. BSL-4 laboratories are “used to study infectious agents or toxins that pose a high risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening disease for which no vaccines or therapies are available,” according to the U.S. Health and Human Services. “Laboratory personnel are required to wear full-body, air-supplied suits, which are the most sophisticated type of PPE,” the HHS states of BSL-4 labs. “All personnel shower before exiting the laboratory and go through a series of procedures designed to fully decontaminate them before leaving.” The emails from 2016 that were recovered by the FOIA request show a conversation where Wuhan Institute of Virology vice director
It’s laughable that any right-wing cartoonist or slimy repulsican would broach the topic of credibility. I would challenge the probability that they would know what the word means or practice its usage.
This is funny from someone that sides with far right politicians that only want to promote their own agenda compared with an experienced doctor. Paul’s own political experience doesn’t even come close to Fauci’s REAL LIFE experience regarding infectious disease. (Getting beaten up by neighbors doesn’t count as an infection)
My best boss told me that experience is always best. Nothing beats it.
‘Gain of function’, the new buzz word the repubs will illogically pound the dems with because their vulgar base has no clue what they are talking about.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 2 years ago
Gorrell should know about lack of credibility, he has none.
RAGs over 2 years ago
Gorrell will attack anybody who is credible. He much prefers self certified lying Q-publicans.
Concretionist over 2 years ago
Fauci cannot lose credibility with the likes of Gorrell’s target audience, since they haven’t ever believed him. And he hasn’t lost any with the rest of us either, because we understand what he’s saying and how it’s supported by facts.
braindead Premium Member over 2 years ago
“We WANT them infected!”, right Gorrell?
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
Crooked lying Trump, Fox and the covid spreading republicans have ZERO credibility.
Patjade over 2 years ago
Goofy Gorrell has his ordered for the ongoing “meme of the weak”. The funny thing about science and nature is that things mutate, often to the detriment of the host, if left untreated (unvaccinated). Scientists change their positions based on the change of circumstances, unlike MAGAts, who just tend to get infected and become hosts and breeding grounds to mutating virii.
hermit48 over 2 years ago
More BS from BG.
Darsan54 Premium Member over 2 years ago
Furdaluvovgawd, Gorrell. You are so stupid.
baroden Premium Member over 2 years ago
Fauci’s credibility is fine with the people that count. Everybody else is just proving that Darwin was right.
PraiseofFolly over 2 years ago
Dr. Fauci will be (already has been) written into medical history as a dedicated infectious disease expert in a decades-long career fighting against iserious diseases. Whereas, Gorrell will go down in historical histrionics as a hack cartoonist who wasted his drawing talent pushing false and destructive partisan political narratives. Fauci will be honored always. Gorrell (and others of his type) will likely be judged intellectually and artistically venal.
mourdac Premium Member over 2 years ago
If Gorrell and the Alt-Reich knew anything about science and medicine, they would know that those in the field accept that they aren’t absolute authorities and must change as the facts change. Dr. Fauci strikes me as that type.
VegaAlopex over 2 years ago
One can’t lose credibility with the Drumpfsters, who didn’t give any at the start.
fusilier over 2 years ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/07/19/1016005828/new-data-leads-to-rethinking-once-more-where-the-pandemic-actually-began
And for the more-technically minded:
https://zenodo.org/record/5075888#.YP6Yb-0pBX9
fusilier
James 2:24
suzalee over 2 years ago
Everything Fauci has said has proven to be true. He predicted 500,000 deaths when Trump said Covid would “magically” disappear. Who was telling the truth? Which one has lost credibility?
Odon Premium Member over 2 years ago
Shall we take advice from a scientist within his field or a cartoonist?
William Bednar Premium Member over 2 years ago
See Matt Davies cartoon for 7/26/2021 to find out who has the most credibility.
WaitingMan over 2 years ago
Because Republicans are the pro-life party, dontcha know.
VeryOldPilgrim over 2 years ago
Gosh, when did Gorrell put in his decades of research in virology? I had no idea he was competent to comment on gain of function research.
preacherman over 2 years ago
Dr. Fauci is the most credible expert available to us on the Covid virus. If his conclusions have changed, it’s because the data has changed. Even the computer models are changing as we learn more about these viral strains.
Durak Premium Member over 2 years ago
Talk about ignorant, childish, simplistic, unfounded, illogical, ignorant garbage. Oops I have ignorant twice. Good, it needs it.
This is such a poor example of thoughtful, critical thinking. It provides no honest consideration or constructive application of the facts. It’s just a shamful attempt to disguise personal opinion as fact.
Gorrell made the decision to “create” this. Someone else made the decision to publish it. Neither have credibility.
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 2 years ago
Well done Bobby.. your talent is outstanding.
Kurtass Premium Member over 2 years ago
SenileBill is just blind
GradingGorrell over 2 years ago
12/74
Same Covid from:
https://www.gocomics.com/bobgorrell/2020/05/18
https://www.gocomics.com/bobgorrell/2020/08/04
https://www.gocomics.com/bobgorrell/2020/04/15
Same Dr. Fauci head from:
https://www.gocomics.com/bobgorrell/2021/06/01
Excerpt from the NPR article Fusilier linked to:
Then Garry did something that the WHO didn’t: He added to the map the locations of the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market and the Wuhan Institute of Virology, where scientists study bat coronaviruses. “It’s a very simple thing to do,” Worobey says. “But it really paints a pretty clear picture, right?”
The dots show the cases starting right near the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market and then radiating out from there. “The Huanan market seems like the bull’s-eye of this outbreak. It’s pretty extraordinary.”
What about cases near the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), which is more than 10 miles from the market? “There are no cases around the WIV,” Worobey says. “If the outbreak did start in the lab, the bottom line is, it would be odd for it not to be spreading from there rather than from elsewhere.”
-“Dr. Fauci has a lack of credibility” says professional cartoonist who copy/pastes the most of his work.
Why does proving the virus was man made matter more than urging your audience to get vaccinated so we can end this pandemic and keep the virus from mutating further?
Even if you did prove the virus was created as a weapon, then what? People don’t have to listen to Dr. Fauci? People don’t have to wear masks? People then don’t have to get the vaccine? people don’t have to take the virus seriously? it lets the Trump administration off the hook for their abysmal response?
Dani Rice over 2 years ago
Do we have a FLAG for cartoons? Why not?
ChristopherBurns over 2 years ago
The only people he has lost credibility with are people who never had it in the first place. HE CONTRADICTED THE CHOOSEN ONE< FOR TRUMP"S SAKE!
Ivan the Terrible over 2 years ago
Well said, Mr. Gorrell.
martens over 2 years ago
In an interview, Fauci said that roughly $600,000 of the grant money went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Scientists there — many of them U.S.-trained — were tasked with nailing down the precise origins of the original SARS-CoV-1 virus that arose in China’s Guangdong Province in 2002. They were also asked to "help us understand what we need to look for” to spot “what might be an inevitable subsequent SARS outbreak.”
That grant allowed scientists to test coronavirus samples harvested from wild animals and their habitats to see whether they were capable of infecting human cells. To do that, the WIV researchers created an experimental “backbone,” a piece of inactivated virus that serves as a standardized testbed. Then, to examine a particular coronavirus sample, they spliced off its spike protein and fused it to the backbone before exposing it to human cells in lab dishes to see if it would grow.
At the time, there was a prohibition against using federal funds for gain-of-function research. That specifically barred “research projects that may be reasonably anticipated" to make influenza and SARS viruses more transmissible and/or more virulent in mammals "via the respiratory route.”
WIV’s adherence to that prohibition was monitored, and if in the course of an experiment a virus appeared to have been made potentially dangerous, the instructions were clear: “The experiments must stop and you’ve got to report to the [NIAID] immediately,” Fauci said.
This bit involves a bit of trust. After all, some changes in transmissibility or virulence occur naturally during lab experiments, and watching for those changes is part of the point of doing them. To document when and how a virus might become capable of jumping to humans, it’s crucial to identify where genetic mutations arise, under what circumstances, and how they may change a virus’ behavior.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fauci-theres-no-way-coronavirus-120033699.html
martens over 2 years ago
Scientists at WIV created hybrid viruses, or chimeras, when they spliced the spike proteins of actual coronaviruses onto viral testbeds — a procedure that makes it easier to isolate the effects of the spike protein, which is key to invading cells.
Two chimeras made with spike proteins from bat coronaviruses were able to infect human cells.
(Note added: This is not a surprise, as people seropositive for the bat virus from which SARS-CoV-2 arose were found in Chinese workers in Yunan province a few years earlier.)
Fauci said the practice of combining spike proteins from the wild with a lab-made viral backbone was standard laboratory procedure. This particular backbone was adapted from pieces of a bat virus “never known to infect humans,” he said.
The experiments were reviewed at many levels by qualified professionals in virology, who judged that it was not gain-of-function work.
martens over 2 years ago
“Is it conceivable that somewhere in the Wuhan institute they were looking at viruses that may have leaked out? I’m leaving that to the people who are doing the investigation to figure out,” Fauci said.
But there is “one thing that we are sure of,” he added: “The grant that we funded, and the result of that grant — given in the annual reports, given in the peer-reviewed literature — is not SARS-CoV-2.”
How can he be so sure? There is just too much evolutionary distance between the coronavirus samples the Wuhan scientists were working with — all of them genetically sequenced and detailed in published work — and the virus that causes COVID-19.
This is what Fauci meant when he told lawmakers this week that it was “molecularly impossible” for the viruses examined by WIV to evolve into SARS-CoV-2: Generally, the overlap between the genomes of the viruses in the lab and that of SARS-CoV-2 was no more than 80%.
In evolutionary terms, that’s a chasm. In their critical review, the international group of virologists note that SARS-CoV-2 and its closest known relatives have an overlap of about 96%. That “equates to decades of evolutionary divergence,” they wrote.
martens over 2 years ago
QED.
rmfrye Premium Member over 2 years ago
Gorrell, facts? Dr. Fauci has complete credibility. Brillo head has…
I C U over 2 years ago
replace Fauci face with trump and this cartoon would make sense.
trump virus comments:
Feb. 27: 60 confirmed cases in U.S. Virus will “disappear” one day “like a miracle”
“It’s going to disappear. One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear,” the president said during a White House meeting with African-American leaders.
April 3: 273,880 confirmed cases in U.S. Trump stands by past comments that virus will “go away”
“I said it was going away – and it is going away.” — White House Coronavirus Task Force Briefing.
source: any credible news agency.
MuddyUSA Premium Member over 2 years ago
Dr. Fauci master of tap dancing!
Valiant1943 Premium Member over 2 years ago
Who knows perhaps Gorrell has numerous degrees in infectious diseases and years of experience.
DrDon1 over 2 years ago
Bob Gullible has passed the point where he is responsible for spreading COVID-19 because of his lying distortions!
Sgt. Snorkle over 2 years ago
Trump was never creditable unless you, called him what he was and then he was a the head of his moron class!
buckman-j over 2 years ago
Bob gets his Medical advice from Tucker Carlson, how could he go wrong?
richardclayton1000 over 2 years ago
So correctly predicting that Covi-19 would continue to mutate if not kept in check is now a loss of credibilty? It seems that as usual Gorrell has things completely backward.
ferddo over 2 years ago
Don’t gaslight us, Gorrell. You never thought Fauci had any credibility from the first moment that he dared to not back Trump’s lies.
asndad1948 over 2 years ago
Newly surfaced emails show connections among a U.S. health agency headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci, EcoHealth Alliance, and Chinese scientists. The recently exposed documents also show that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were scrambling to find disinfectant and asked a National Institutes of Health official for help.
Judicial Watch obtained 301 pages of emails and other records from National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases officials who had connections with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. According to the documents that were obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, the NIAID gave at least nine grants to EcoHealth Alliance, a U.S. nonprofit organization focused on finding unknown viruses and infectious diseases in nature. EcoHealth Alliance reportedly used those NIAID grants to work with Chinese scientists on research such as probing the emergence of a bat coronavirus — years before the COVID-19 pandemic.
The recently emerged emails also show that scientists at China’s Wuhan lab were scrambling to find disinfectant for equipment, including positive pressure personnel suits.The physical facilities of the Wuhan Institute of Virology were completed in January 2015, which made it China’s first biosafety level 4 laboratory. BSL-4 laboratories are “used to study infectious agents or toxins that pose a high risk of aerosol-transmitted laboratory infections and life-threatening disease for which no vaccines or therapies are available,” according to the U.S. Health and Human Services. “Laboratory personnel are required to wear full-body, air-supplied suits, which are the most sophisticated type of PPE,” the HHS states of BSL-4 labs. “All personnel shower before exiting the laboratory and go through a series of procedures designed to fully decontaminate them before leaving.” The emails from 2016 that were recovered by the FOIA request show a conversation where Wuhan Institute of Virology vice director
Patjade over 2 years ago
^ To quote Judicial Watch as a verified source is almost worse than just making things up whole cloth. They have almost zero credibility.
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/judicial-watch/
https://www.adfontesmedia.com/judicial-watch-bias-and-reliability/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/judicial-watch
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Judicial_Watch
https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=3960
kentmarx36 over 2 years ago
It’s laughable that any right-wing cartoonist or slimy repulsican would broach the topic of credibility. I would challenge the probability that they would know what the word means or practice its usage.
buckyteeth over 2 years ago
LOLOL
This is funny from someone that sides with far right politicians that only want to promote their own agenda compared with an experienced doctor. Paul’s own political experience doesn’t even come close to Fauci’s REAL LIFE experience regarding infectious disease. (Getting beaten up by neighbors doesn’t count as an infection)
My best boss told me that experience is always best. Nothing beats it.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
This is an incredibly sick cartoon.
Radish the wordsmith over 2 years ago
‘Gain of function’, the new buzz word the repubs will illogically pound the dems with because their vulgar base has no clue what they are talking about.
LarryinDurango Premium Member over 2 years ago
Is it easy to draw cartoons that are unfunny or do you have to put a lot of effort into it?