Yeah. But we’ve been supporting Israel for … since they came into existence. We can’t stop NOW just because Netanyahoo (deliberate misspelling) is a murdering bully.
You act like Bambi is all innocent and non-violent. Please. Look, if Bambi didn’t constantly bite Godzilla, hit him with horns etc., perhaps Godzilla wouldn’t step on him.
I’ve seen a number of Muslims, good Muslims, subtly duped by the falsity that the Jews have an “ancestral right” over Jerusalem. So it is absolutely necessary that I share some important history about Jerusalem and Palestine as a whole.
One of the oldest Zionist apologetic arguments you’ll hear is that the Jews were somehow “the original inhabitants” of Palestine and, thereby, Jerusalem. But, historically, the Jews never held Jerusalem for any significant amount of time compared to all the other nations that lived and ruled there.
For roughly 3500 years -Yes, say that figure out loud: THREE THOUSAND AND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS- in what is called the Proto-Canaanite period, Jerusalem belonged to the Canaanites who worshipped many gods and godesses. It wasn’t until 2000BC do scholars find a reference that debatably refers to Jerusalem. The word is “Rusalimum” in texts of Egypt’s Middle Kingdom. Scholars believe that the name is a consecration to “Shalim” a Canaanite deity of the netherworld from Ugaritic scriptures.
The territory passed from the Canaanites to the Egyptians, ultimately. So here we have Egyptians and Canaanites being the original inhabitants of Jerusalem for 3,500 years before the Jews ever conquered it.
Jerusalem was taken by King David in 1010BC and lost to the Egyptians in 925BC. Jehoash of Israel briefly recaptured it in 786BC but then lost it to the Assyrians in 740BC. That’s just 131 years, just about as long as the Crusaders’ rule of Jerusalem in the Middle Ages.
The Jewish Hasmoneans re-took it in 140BC under Simon Thassi but then lost it to the Persian Seleucides in 134. That’s 6 more years of Jewish rule. Due to a Seleucid civil war, Judeah incidentally became independent in the chaos in 116BC. In 87BC the Jewish Hasmonean king executed 800 Jews for sedition. In 47BC they lost Jerusalem again, this time to the Romans. That’s 69 years of rule.
In total, off and on the Jews ruled Jerusalem for MAYBE 206 years.
The Pre-Constantine Romans ruled it for 250 years.
The Christian Byzantines ruled it for 304 years.
The Muslims ruled it under the Rashidun, Umayyad and Abbasid Empires for 332 years.
The Muslim Fatimids ruled it for 129 years.
The Crusaders took it from the Muslims and held it for 88 years.
The Muslim ruler Saladin conquered it in 1187 and his descendents held it for 63 years.
The Muslim Mamluk Empire ruled it for 236 years.
The Ottomans ruled it for 401 years.
That’s 206 years of Jewish rule.
392 years of Christian rule.
And over EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS of Muslim rule.
And before any of them, the Canaanites and the Egyptians lived and ruled there for 3,500 years.
Longer than anyone.
So since the common Israeli argument that the Jews “deserve” Palestine because they are the “original" inhabitants has been proven a bold faced lie, based on this argument should we give Palestine away in this order?
Canaanites? Oops. The Bible says God ordered them exterminated to extinction in a genocide that included many other unfortunate nations:
“Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.” [Deuteronomy 20:17]
But, all was not lost. Some Canaanites apparently survived the Israelite genocide. Where are they?
“We show that present-day Lebanese derive most of their ancestry from a Canaanite-related population, which therefore implies substantial genetic continuity in the Levant since at least the Bronze Age.” [Source: https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8]
[News report: https://www.usatoday.com/…/mystery-ancient…/519349001/ or https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/28/mystery-ancient-canaanites-finally-solved-genetic-research-shows/519349001/ ]
So the Lebanese are the people who scientifically and genetically are proven to be the original dwellers of not only Jerusalem but all of Palestine (so-called “Israel”). The argument should pretty much completely end there.
Actual history tells us that Jews ruled Palestine for barely over 2 centuries. The Christians ruled it for nearly 4 centuries, double that time. the Muslims ruled it for over 8 centuries, more than doubling the time the Christians ruled and QUADRUPLING the time that the Jews ruled. And as the Palestinian people are a religious confederation of Christians and Muslims, both consistently at peace with each other, that puts their birthright to it at 1200 combined years. Nearly a thousand years longer than Jews ever reigned over Jerusalem.
And like it always has been throughout Islamic history, the Jews are welcome to stay there, but as co-inhabitants with their Christian and Muslim neighbors. No barbwired walls, no soldiers shooting little kids, no stealing people’s homes like bandits, no apartheid separating Palestinians from Jews.
Always worth repeating this when discussing the birth of modern day Israel. Read the full article, written in 1947, at http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
“Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.
Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.
Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.
We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.
Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?
Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites."
This has more to do with Ted’s hatred of Biden than for his love of the Palestinians. Oh, if only Jill Stein were president, the world would magically transform into a paradise!
Ironic that Israel is treating it’s less desirable people the same way Germany treated the Jews. Round them up, forfeit their land.. put them in camps. Kill one of “ours” we will kill 20 of yours.
If Israel only shot down those incoming missiles, and turned the other cheek at the ones that hit their targets, people would still be upset that Israel isn’t surrendering…
Concretionist almost 3 years ago
Yeah. But we’ve been supporting Israel for … since they came into existence. We can’t stop NOW just because Netanyahoo (deliberate misspelling) is a murdering bully.
/sort of sarcastic
nixie224 almost 3 years ago
Ted, I’m back to being on your side now. Just be prepared to be called an anti Semite…by TRUE anti Semites (who just hate Muslims more)
LookingGlass Premium Member almost 3 years ago
I’m sure that if Bambi had an undeclared stock of nuclear weapons at its disposal, Godzilla “might” want to think about its “defending” thingy!!
DangerBunny almost 3 years ago
What, no ’apologies to Marv Newland"? Show a fellow artist some respect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R-rbzcEM8A
Denver Reader Premium Member almost 3 years ago
You act like Bambi is all innocent and non-violent. Please. Look, if Bambi didn’t constantly bite Godzilla, hit him with horns etc., perhaps Godzilla wouldn’t step on him.
Teto85 Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Nice job of copying Bambi and Godzilla.
walfishj almost 3 years ago
Congratulations, you finally realize that a nation of 25 million is fighting 1.3 billion Muslims!
sykerocker almost 3 years ago
Bambi vs. Godzilla – a classic animation short from the 70’s.
sartre almost 3 years ago
From a FB post by Shibli Zaman 1/3:
I’ve seen a number of Muslims, good Muslims, subtly duped by the falsity that the Jews have an “ancestral right” over Jerusalem. So it is absolutely necessary that I share some important history about Jerusalem and Palestine as a whole.
One of the oldest Zionist apologetic arguments you’ll hear is that the Jews were somehow “the original inhabitants” of Palestine and, thereby, Jerusalem. But, historically, the Jews never held Jerusalem for any significant amount of time compared to all the other nations that lived and ruled there.
For roughly 3500 years -Yes, say that figure out loud: THREE THOUSAND AND FIVE HUNDRED YEARS- in what is called the Proto-Canaanite period, Jerusalem belonged to the Canaanites who worshipped many gods and godesses. It wasn’t until 2000BC do scholars find a reference that debatably refers to Jerusalem. The word is “Rusalimum” in texts of Egypt’s Middle Kingdom. Scholars believe that the name is a consecration to “Shalim” a Canaanite deity of the netherworld from Ugaritic scriptures.
The territory passed from the Canaanites to the Egyptians, ultimately. So here we have Egyptians and Canaanites being the original inhabitants of Jerusalem for 3,500 years before the Jews ever conquered it.
Jerusalem was taken by King David in 1010BC and lost to the Egyptians in 925BC. Jehoash of Israel briefly recaptured it in 786BC but then lost it to the Assyrians in 740BC. That’s just 131 years, just about as long as the Crusaders’ rule of Jerusalem in the Middle Ages.
The Jewish Hasmoneans re-took it in 140BC under Simon Thassi but then lost it to the Persian Seleucides in 134. That’s 6 more years of Jewish rule. Due to a Seleucid civil war, Judeah incidentally became independent in the chaos in 116BC. In 87BC the Jewish Hasmonean king executed 800 Jews for sedition. In 47BC they lost Jerusalem again, this time to the Romans. That’s 69 years of rule.
sartre almost 3 years ago
Part 2/3:
In total, off and on the Jews ruled Jerusalem for MAYBE 206 years.
The Pre-Constantine Romans ruled it for 250 years.
The Christian Byzantines ruled it for 304 years.
The Muslims ruled it under the Rashidun, Umayyad and Abbasid Empires for 332 years.
The Muslim Fatimids ruled it for 129 years.
The Crusaders took it from the Muslims and held it for 88 years.
The Muslim ruler Saladin conquered it in 1187 and his descendents held it for 63 years.
The Muslim Mamluk Empire ruled it for 236 years.
The Ottomans ruled it for 401 years.
That’s 206 years of Jewish rule.
392 years of Christian rule.
And over EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS of Muslim rule.
And before any of them, the Canaanites and the Egyptians lived and ruled there for 3,500 years.
Longer than anyone.
So since the common Israeli argument that the Jews “deserve” Palestine because they are the “original" inhabitants has been proven a bold faced lie, based on this argument should we give Palestine away in this order?
Canaanites? Oops. The Bible says God ordered them exterminated to extinction in a genocide that included many other unfortunate nations:
“Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you.” [Deuteronomy 20:17]
But, all was not lost. Some Canaanites apparently survived the Israelite genocide. Where are they?
Lebanon.
sartre almost 3 years ago
3/3:
“We show that present-day Lebanese derive most of their ancestry from a Canaanite-related population, which therefore implies substantial genetic continuity in the Levant since at least the Bronze Age.” [Source: https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8]
[News report: https://www.usatoday.com/…/mystery-ancient…/519349001/ or https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/07/28/mystery-ancient-canaanites-finally-solved-genetic-research-shows/519349001/ ]
So the Lebanese are the people who scientifically and genetically are proven to be the original dwellers of not only Jerusalem but all of Palestine (so-called “Israel”). The argument should pretty much completely end there.
Actual history tells us that Jews ruled Palestine for barely over 2 centuries. The Christians ruled it for nearly 4 centuries, double that time. the Muslims ruled it for over 8 centuries, more than doubling the time the Christians ruled and QUADRUPLING the time that the Jews ruled. And as the Palestinian people are a religious confederation of Christians and Muslims, both consistently at peace with each other, that puts their birthright to it at 1200 combined years. Nearly a thousand years longer than Jews ever reigned over Jerusalem.
And like it always has been throughout Islamic history, the Jews are welcome to stay there, but as co-inhabitants with their Christian and Muslim neighbors. No barbwired walls, no soldiers shooting little kids, no stealing people’s homes like bandits, no apartheid separating Palestinians from Jews.
sartre almost 3 years ago
I’ve just read Ted’s brilliantly-written article on the situation:
https://www.creators.com/read/ted-rall/05/21/no-more-false-equivalence-israel-chooses-war-over-peace
piper_gilbert almost 3 years ago
You would think the Palestinians would be used to ethnic cleansing and apartheid by now. How long is it going to take?
bbbmorrell almost 3 years ago
Godzilla versus Bambi! Saw that movie 40+ years ago and had forgotten all about it! Great credits
sartre almost 3 years ago
Always worth repeating this when discussing the birth of modern day Israel. Read the full article, written in 1947, at http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html
“Our case is quite simple: For nearly 2,000 years Palestine has been almost 100 per cent Arab. It is still preponderantly Arab today, in spite of enormous Jewish immigration. But if this immigration continues we shall soon be outnumbered—a minority in our home.
Palestine is a small and very poor country, about the size of your state of Vermont. Its Arab population is only about 1,200,000. Already we have had forced on us, against our will, some 600,000 Zionist Jews. We are threatened with many hundreds of thousands more.
Our position is so simple and natural that we are amazed it should even be questioned. It is exactly the same position you in America take in regard to the unhappy European Jews. You are sorry for them, but you do not want them in your country.
We do not want them in ours, either. Not because they are Jews, but because they are foreigners. We would not want hundreds of thousands of foreigners in our country, be they Englishmen or Norwegians or Brazilians or whatever.
Think for a moment: In the last 25 years we have had one third of our entire population forced upon us. In America that would be the equivalent of 45,000,000 complete strangers admitted to your country, over your violent protest, since 1921. How would you have reacted to that?
Because of our perfectly natural dislike of being overwhelmed in our own homeland, we are called blind nationalists and heartless anti-Semites."
nickditoro Premium Member almost 3 years ago
This has more to do with Ted’s hatred of Biden than for his love of the Palestinians. Oh, if only Jill Stein were president, the world would magically transform into a paradise!
Alberta Oil Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Ironic that Israel is treating it’s less desirable people the same way Germany treated the Jews. Round them up, forfeit their land.. put them in camps. Kill one of “ours” we will kill 20 of yours.
ChristopherBurns almost 3 years ago
In Godzilla’s defense Bambi was standing on land Godzilla wanted to step on.
tamrich59 almost 3 years ago
If Godzilla is attacked first….yes!!
Li'l Dale almost 3 years ago
Why is Bruce Willis giving advice?
ferddo almost 3 years ago
If Israel only shot down those incoming missiles, and turned the other cheek at the ones that hit their targets, people would still be upset that Israel isn’t surrendering…
Radish the wordsmith almost 3 years ago
Many of the rockets fired by Hamas fell on Palestine.
StackableContainers almost 3 years ago
Kind of a shoddy comparison, but the criticism isn’t unfair.
Scoutmaster77 almost 3 years ago
1969’s Bambi vs. Godzilla :-)
jvscanlan Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Guess Biden should’ve screamed, yelled, and insulted everyone instead of employing quiet diplomacy . . .
rick.schindler Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Marv Newland homage!
jumpinfool+gc Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Inspired by: Marv Newland
apfelzra Premium Member almost 3 years ago
Yeah, if only those Hamas theocratic fascists weren’t so damned obnoxious . . .
rossevrymn almost 3 years ago
shouldn’t have created this piece ahead of time, not the first time you’ve done this, Theodore.
calliarcale almost 3 years ago
Ah yes, Godzilla vs Bambi. An animation classic for those who remember. ;-)