The Catholics do preach that life is sacred. So freakin’ sacred that they think it’s a sin to use the propagated cells of a long deceased fetus. Though I heard that somebody in the hierarchy (Pope himself??) said that if J&J was all that was available, it was okay to take it, but it would be better to use a different one if available.
From this atheist’s viewpoint: Take the first (certified) one you can get, without even bothering to ask.
the difference between faith and science is you can run experiments and test your thoughts with science. I have tested gravity many many times and it seems to hold. I several times had dreams of flying and knew I could fly in my dreams. I had faith I could fly in my dreams. When awake after testing gravity once more I knew that I could not fly.
In watching a jet plan fly I knew it must fall only to see it fly. I now have faith in jet planes flying and I also know why because of science.
Get the shot when you can. Save yourself and your loved ones and even the other people you don’t know by getting vaccinated. Then we can get rid of Covid-19 and go about life.
There was a time when science was respected. Was Polio defeated by so many accepting the vaccines because not doing it left the chance of clearly visible debilitating injuries while Covid survivors only have damaged hearts and lungs that are not visible?
More of the contorted drivel coming out of the mouths of clueless a**holes who have ensconced themselves in the cushiest environs possible and are clueless about the real world
Wow, quite the condescension coming from a poster above. Wrong dude! We aren’t ignorant, we understand fully that some American bishops are advising against the J & J vaccine if others are available – but given how difficult it can be to get ANY vaccine, we’re smart enough to take the first one available, period. Turning down a vaccine that used cells propagated since the 1980’s? The sooner everyone who wants a vaccine gets one, the more lives will be saved NOW.
News bulletin: HEK293 cells are a cell line modified (transformed) from human embryonic kidney and used in numerous medical research projects. Chances are you have already used medical procedures that were developed with them. The lab with which I am associated has been using them for about 25 years. We study a particular set of genetic diseases in humans, and they have been essential in this work, and, yes, we have made significant progress on the problems that have been clinically applied.
The POPE says it is okay. So anyone who cares can ignore the right-wing nut-job bishops. Francis hasn’t cleaned them all out yet – though this may give him more reasons…
Evangelists expect to be protected by divine intervention, and dislike science because it erodes their superstitions… despite their Good Book that advises them to help themselves… and when their poor choices come back to bite them, they explain it as their deity’s will instead of taking any responsibility of their own…
Not so much pro-life as anti-anything to do with the human reproductive system or any of its products. They are anti-IVF, anti-fertility drugs, anti-prenatal fetal surgery to correct birth defects, anti-any form of contraception (Vatican Roulette was originally used to determine when a woman was ovulating to encourage baby-making). The only thing concerning the human reproductive system they endorse is anesthetic free circumcision. But they are ok with any other medical care. Because to them sex is dirty and should only be shared with someone you love within the confines of a “Christian marriage” for the express purpose of making babies.
Roman Catholic leaders in St. Louis and New Orleans are advising Catholics that the COVID-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson, newly approved for use in the U.S., is “morally compromised” because it is produced using a cell line derived from an aborted fetus. The New Orleans Archdiocese says the decision to receive a vaccine is one of individual conscience.
I live in the United States of America where we have separation of church and state so I don’t care what the pope thinks or says nor do I care about anyone associated with any religion of any kind or shape period……
Sounds like Mr. Hands is profoundly confused. Let us hope that one day he will embark upon the path of honest comprehension, and let us have compassion upon him and his victims in the meantime.
Concretionist about 3 years ago
The Catholics do preach that life is sacred. So freakin’ sacred that they think it’s a sin to use the propagated cells of a long deceased fetus. Though I heard that somebody in the hierarchy (Pope himself??) said that if J&J was all that was available, it was okay to take it, but it would be better to use a different one if available.
From this atheist’s viewpoint: Take the first (certified) one you can get, without even bothering to ask.
pepwine about 3 years ago
the difference between faith and science is you can run experiments and test your thoughts with science. I have tested gravity many many times and it seems to hold. I several times had dreams of flying and knew I could fly in my dreams. I had faith I could fly in my dreams. When awake after testing gravity once more I knew that I could not fly.
In watching a jet plan fly I knew it must fall only to see it fly. I now have faith in jet planes flying and I also know why because of science.
Get the shot when you can. Save yourself and your loved ones and even the other people you don’t know by getting vaccinated. Then we can get rid of Covid-19 and go about life.
superposition about 3 years ago
There was a time when science was respected. Was Polio defeated by so many accepting the vaccines because not doing it left the chance of clearly visible debilitating injuries while Covid survivors only have damaged hearts and lungs that are not visible?
Radish the wordsmith about 3 years ago
Covid spreading right wingers are not pro life, they just want to subjugate women.
FrankErnesto about 3 years ago
Catholic Bishops are pro-Catholic Church. Anything else is religious hogwash.
Durak Premium Member about 3 years ago
American Catholic Bishops. The Vatican says otherwise.
Masterskrain Premium Member about 3 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVVo036N9OY
WaitingMan about 3 years ago
Questioner: Do you believe all human life is sacred?
Pro-Lifer: Absolutely. 100%.
Questioner: Do you support capital punishment?
Pro-Lifer: Absolutely. 100%.
Darsan54 Premium Member about 3 years ago
God gave us brains. We used them to develop the vaccine. It would be sinful to reject God’s gifts.
Bookworm about 3 years ago
It is axiomatic that “Pro-Life” isn’t. It’s merely “Anti-Abortion.” But the former fits better on a tee shirt.
Alberta Oil Premium Member about 3 years ago
And.. rightfully so. COVID-19 is God’s work and man has no business trying to thwart it.
Diamond Lil about 3 years ago
More of the contorted drivel coming out of the mouths of clueless a**holes who have ensconced themselves in the cushiest environs possible and are clueless about the real world
Patjade about 3 years ago
Only pro-birth. Once they’re born, they don’t give a rat’s patootie, just like they don’t for the mother.
tabby about 3 years ago
Wow, quite the condescension coming from a poster above. Wrong dude! We aren’t ignorant, we understand fully that some American bishops are advising against the J & J vaccine if others are available – but given how difficult it can be to get ANY vaccine, we’re smart enough to take the first one available, period. Turning down a vaccine that used cells propagated since the 1980’s? The sooner everyone who wants a vaccine gets one, the more lives will be saved NOW.
martens about 3 years ago
News bulletin: HEK293 cells are a cell line modified (transformed) from human embryonic kidney and used in numerous medical research projects. Chances are you have already used medical procedures that were developed with them. The lab with which I am associated has been using them for about 25 years. We study a particular set of genetic diseases in humans, and they have been essential in this work, and, yes, we have made significant progress on the problems that have been clinically applied.
Here’s a layman’s synopsis of what they are.
https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=QZ8hefESt7c
Motivemagus about 3 years ago
The POPE says it is okay. So anyone who cares can ignore the right-wing nut-job bishops. Francis hasn’t cleaned them all out yet – though this may give him more reasons…
JohnHarry Premium Member about 3 years ago
The Southern Catholic Church – behind the times; out in space(so to speak); denying reality? Why does anyone expect anything else?
ferddo about 3 years ago
Evangelists expect to be protected by divine intervention, and dislike science because it erodes their superstitions… despite their Good Book that advises them to help themselves… and when their poor choices come back to bite them, they explain it as their deity’s will instead of taking any responsibility of their own…
librarylady59 about 3 years ago
Say the men who probably already have their vaccine shots. A**h**es.
Miss Buttinsky Premium Member about 3 years ago
Alberta Oil, the Devil will be angry with you for giving God credit for Covid19
Radish the wordsmith about 3 years ago
Just think of all the evangelicals and right wing anti abortionists who’s lives were saved by aborted fetal tissue.
I had my second shot yesterday and I feel fine.
Teto85 Premium Member about 3 years ago
Not so much pro-life as anti-anything to do with the human reproductive system or any of its products. They are anti-IVF, anti-fertility drugs, anti-prenatal fetal surgery to correct birth defects, anti-any form of contraception (Vatican Roulette was originally used to determine when a woman was ovulating to encourage baby-making). The only thing concerning the human reproductive system they endorse is anesthetic free circumcision. But they are ok with any other medical care. Because to them sex is dirty and should only be shared with someone you love within the confines of a “Christian marriage” for the express purpose of making babies.
briangj2 about 3 years ago
Roman Catholic leaders in St. Louis and New Orleans are advising Catholics that the COVID-19 vaccine from Johnson & Johnson, newly approved for use in the U.S., is “morally compromised” because it is produced using a cell line derived from an aborted fetus. The New Orleans Archdiocese says the decision to receive a vaccine is one of individual conscience.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine-abortion-cells/
Not all diocese share this opinion.
San Diego Catholic Diocese says Johnson & Johnson vaccine ‘entirely morally legitimate’
https://www.10news.com/news/coronavirus/abortion-concerns-prompt-archdiocese-warning-on-vaccine
Pope Emeritus Benedict and Pope Francis have received the currently available COVID-19 vaccines (first dose).
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/europe/pope-francis-covid-19-vaccine-intl/index.html
U.S. bishops splinter on the morality of taking coronavirus vaccines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/02/archdiocese-new-orleans-johnson-vaccine/
WestNYC Premium Member about 3 years ago
More science, less religion please.
Masterskrain Premium Member about 3 years ago
Their invisible, imaginary sky pixie might not like it, so you must DIE!!!
Wanye about 3 years ago
I live in the United States of America where we have separation of church and state so I don’t care what the pope thinks or says nor do I care about anyone associated with any religion of any kind or shape period……
randolini Premium Member about 3 years ago
They are not pro life, they are pro fetus and they only care about the fetus until it’s born and a real life, then they disappear.
apfelzra Premium Member about 3 years ago
Back in the 50s, as I recall, public health measures weren’t so politicized, except perhaps for fluoridation, but that was mostly a lunatic fringe.
tharpa about 3 years ago
Sounds like Mr. Hands is profoundly confused. Let us hope that one day he will embark upon the path of honest comprehension, and let us have compassion upon him and his victims in the meantime.