I can only hope this is Chip’s “Last, worst hurrah of 2020”, and next year he won’t draw anything so dumb, wrong or wholly contemptable. But I fear that’s just wishful thinking.
The numbers were pretty clear. To get to herd immunity WITHOUT a vaccine you either have to permanently modify pretty much everyone’s behavior (fat chance of that!) or you have to get to something like (low-balling) 65% who have recovered from the infection. There are 330 million in the US, so about 215 million people have to be infected. The death rate once you’re infected is (lets just low-ball this too) 0.8%, so 1,720,000 people will have to die to get there without the vaccine. That would be 1.4 million more deaths. The number we’ve already seen, plus FOUR times that number (more or less).
How many unnecessary deaths are acceptable to achieve this goal? Thanks Mr. Bok. You are starting 21 with the same stupidity we have grown to both expect and dread.
I am very grateful for all those who have worn masks, avoided large gatherings, and kept social distance. They have prevented many more deaths than we have had.
Uh, there’s a huge disconnect between the common conception of “herd immunity” and the scientific method for determining it. Importantly, IT IS A PURELY THEORETICAL CONSTRUCT!!!!!!
That is, it has roots in statistics and probability theory based on assumptions of the contagious properties of the disease in question. It has never been calculated and then actually tested in reality. It’s a hypothesis, in other words, without ever having been tested. And establishing the null hypothesis and designing a real experiment would be highly unethical and lethal to millions.
“Herd immunity” is simply a calculated point (or, more properly, an assessment of the probability) in every communicable disease progression where enough people have had it so that it dies out for lack of new hosts. But this is a purely theoretical construct. There are no good data on what ANY given level of " herd immunity" might actually be for this or any other contagion. We just don’t know at what point (I.e. how many infections it would take) the idea might become real. It hasn’t happened ever in a way we have studied with any rigor.
So not only is Fox lying about this. They literally have no basis whatsoever for a belief in the accuracy or adequacy of the hypothesis in trying to stop a contagion by relying on “herd immunity.”
It’s all pure speculation. The real news is that mRNA vaccines have been developed for the first time ever. This is a MAJOR development in applied science, based on hard work, collaboration among thousands of scientists and clinical researchers, all following the facts. That’s not fake or made up.
Fauci has been all over the board regarding the CCP Wuhan virus. In January 2020 he said it was no big thing and would burn out in a few months. When Trump shut down travel from China both he and Democrats said that was an overreaction. He said masks were useless for the general population then a month later he mandated masks for everyone. When the virus really started to have an impact last Spring and the medical community began to talk about “herd immunity “, Fauci there was no such thing. Of course now he is all about “herd immunity “. Fauchi said it was impossible to get a vaccine by the end of 2020 and producing one would be in the summer of 2021 at the earliest and most probably two to five years. When President Trump overruled Fauci he was criticized for not listening to him. When President Trump followed Fauci’s recommendations he was criticized by the Dems and MSM but Fauci was never mentioned. The left wing posters here may as well be following China’s talking points and many of them probably are.
The people wearing masks and following Dr. Fauci’s advice are exhibiting herd mentality? And Bok thinks this is bad? The people wearing masks and washing their hands are taking care of themselves and their fellow man. Get a clue Bok!
Infecting everybody to achieve herd immunity would only have caused a couple of million deaths and millions more lifetime health issues. This all from the pro-life party.
Bok, if you’re going to draw hateful, divisive garbage, at least be consistent. We’re supposed to be sheep, that’s the Republican way. Yeah, I know, you made Fauci a cowboy. But that makes him herding sheep even funnier.
Don’t you have an editor? Or even a friend to show your work to, before you hit the ‘send’ button?
RAGs over 3 years ago
Bok has NEVER told the truth about anything,
Daeder over 3 years ago
ONE MILLION DISLIKES!!!
I can only hope this is Chip’s “Last, worst hurrah of 2020”, and next year he won’t draw anything so dumb, wrong or wholly contemptable. But I fear that’s just wishful thinking.
wsedrel Premium Member over 3 years ago
WTFN?!!! (What The Fox News?)
Concretionist over 3 years ago
The numbers were pretty clear. To get to herd immunity WITHOUT a vaccine you either have to permanently modify pretty much everyone’s behavior (fat chance of that!) or you have to get to something like (low-balling) 65% who have recovered from the infection. There are 330 million in the US, so about 215 million people have to be infected. The death rate once you’re infected is (lets just low-ball this too) 0.8%, so 1,720,000 people will have to die to get there without the vaccine. That would be 1.4 million more deaths. The number we’ve already seen, plus FOUR times that number (more or less).
And that’s the (approximate) truth.
GiantShetlandPony over 3 years ago
The truth is, there may be no such thing as herd immunity for Covid19.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
This is really sick, Trump spread covid, not Fauci. Right wingers deny that deadly disease spreading Trump stalled every effort to fight covid.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
Fauci did not agree with herd immunity, that came out of Fox ‘news’, how many Americans have they murdered with their lies?
LookingGlass Premium Member over 3 years ago
Baghdad Bok is at it…AGAIN!! And “they” actually pay him for this scheisse??!
braindead Premium Member over 3 years ago
Bok, it’s herd mentality, as expressed by YOUR MESSIAH. Over and over.
“We want them infected.”, remember?
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You are again trying to smear and sabotage those who have tried to respond to the pandemic.
Patjade over 3 years ago
Baghdad Bok starts the new year with the same old falsehoods.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 3 years ago
These conserve cartoonists are getting stupider by the day.
Rayzor63 over 3 years ago
Worked out real well for Sweden.
cdward over 3 years ago
Words fail me. The dishonesty and stupidity of this comic are astounding.
Judeeye Premium Member over 3 years ago
How many unnecessary deaths are acceptable to achieve this goal? Thanks Mr. Bok. You are starting 21 with the same stupidity we have grown to both expect and dread.
gopher gofer over 3 years ago
bok once again demonstrates that morons is as morons does…
suzalee over 3 years ago
I am very grateful for all those who have worn masks, avoided large gatherings, and kept social distance. They have prevented many more deaths than we have had.
fusilier over 3 years ago
There has never been community immunity for any infectious disease without vaccines – ask the Mandan.
fusilier, wearing his Associate Professor of Human Anatomy and Physiology (retired) hat
James 2:24
Odon Premium Member over 3 years ago
Sure hope Chip isn’t homeschooling kids.
Masterskrain Premium Member over 3 years ago
B.S. Bok, living down to his usual standards of STUPIDITY and LIES!!
Ontman over 3 years ago
I think Mr. Bok has masochistic tendencies . Why else would he draw such garbage?
martens over 3 years ago
Ignorance is bliss if you’re Chip Bok. About as bad as Stiggy but even more stupid.
Zen-of-Zinfandel over 3 years ago
“When an expert seeks to distort their view of the science to further a behavioral change amongst the public, the risk of detection is high.”
twclix over 3 years ago
Uh, there’s a huge disconnect between the common conception of “herd immunity” and the scientific method for determining it. Importantly, IT IS A PURELY THEORETICAL CONSTRUCT!!!!!!
That is, it has roots in statistics and probability theory based on assumptions of the contagious properties of the disease in question. It has never been calculated and then actually tested in reality. It’s a hypothesis, in other words, without ever having been tested. And establishing the null hypothesis and designing a real experiment would be highly unethical and lethal to millions.
“Herd immunity” is simply a calculated point (or, more properly, an assessment of the probability) in every communicable disease progression where enough people have had it so that it dies out for lack of new hosts. But this is a purely theoretical construct. There are no good data on what ANY given level of " herd immunity" might actually be for this or any other contagion. We just don’t know at what point (I.e. how many infections it would take) the idea might become real. It hasn’t happened ever in a way we have studied with any rigor.
So not only is Fox lying about this. They literally have no basis whatsoever for a belief in the accuracy or adequacy of the hypothesis in trying to stop a contagion by relying on “herd immunity.”
It’s all pure speculation. The real news is that mRNA vaccines have been developed for the first time ever. This is a MAJOR development in applied science, based on hard work, collaboration among thousands of scientists and clinical researchers, all following the facts. That’s not fake or made up.
Teto85 Premium Member over 3 years ago
Buffalo Chip pinches off another one.
wschurchill over 3 years ago
Total ignorant Bullshit.
Diamond Lil over 3 years ago
HUH? Maybe some people could only face 2020 with complete denial and a break from reality.
wschurchill over 3 years ago
Chip Bok supported Congressman Letlow who refused to wear a mask and died of COVID.
MuddyUSA Premium Member over 3 years ago
Dr. Fauci is a waffles!
MuddyUSA Premium Member over 3 years ago
Correction….Dr.Fauci is a waffles!!!
RussBowers over 3 years ago
Who to hell pays Bok to draw this kind of garbage…he must have gotten a lot for selling his soul…otherwise why would anyone willingly be this deranged
Kracklin Rosie - “Tolo Dan Nan Galad” Premium Member over 3 years ago
Fauci has been all over the board regarding the CCP Wuhan virus. In January 2020 he said it was no big thing and would burn out in a few months. When Trump shut down travel from China both he and Democrats said that was an overreaction. He said masks were useless for the general population then a month later he mandated masks for everyone. When the virus really started to have an impact last Spring and the medical community began to talk about “herd immunity “, Fauci there was no such thing. Of course now he is all about “herd immunity “. Fauchi said it was impossible to get a vaccine by the end of 2020 and producing one would be in the summer of 2021 at the earliest and most probably two to five years. When President Trump overruled Fauci he was criticized for not listening to him. When President Trump followed Fauci’s recommendations he was criticized by the Dems and MSM but Fauci was never mentioned. The left wing posters here may as well be following China’s talking points and many of them probably are.
quixotic3 over 3 years ago
Bok may have achieved peak irony, since this ‘toon is as fine an example of herd mentality as we’re likely to see this year.
6.6TA over 3 years ago
Mr. Bok appears to be going for an appointment to the present administration.
DrDon1 over 3 years ago
Seriously, just why is Bok proudly spreading such stupidity?
Wanye over 3 years ago
The people wearing masks and following Dr. Fauci’s advice are exhibiting herd mentality? And Bok thinks this is bad? The people wearing masks and washing their hands are taking care of themselves and their fellow man. Get a clue Bok!
Retired engineer over 3 years ago
Infecting everybody to achieve herd immunity would only have caused a couple of million deaths and millions more lifetime health issues. This all from the pro-life party.
grumpypophobart over 3 years ago
Seriously? Can you imagine the good doctor being in the middle of that without wearing his mask?
Scoutmaster77 over 3 years ago
Why that’s the biggest pile of horse puckey ever. :-|
Durak Premium Member over 3 years ago
Bok can’t even draw his own comic right.
It isn’t MOOOOOO, ya doofus. It’s BAAAAAA.
Bok, if you’re going to draw hateful, divisive garbage, at least be consistent. We’re supposed to be sheep, that’s the Republican way. Yeah, I know, you made Fauci a cowboy. But that makes him herding sheep even funnier.
Don’t you have an editor? Or even a friend to show your work to, before you hit the ‘send’ button?
chromosome Premium Member over 3 years ago
When I saw this cartoon, I thought “♫DUMB!♫”
pc368dude over 3 years ago
Utterly and completely irresponsible