Because the only other realistic alternative is so much worse than 10s of thousands of deaths. He’s ALREADY responsible for more than 100 thousand deaths right here in the USA.
Just say it Rall. You want to Rump to continue his rieng of corruption and racism until there is a civil war. You should go to one of his mask free crowded rallies to support him.
On the basis of the past performances of Biden, Obama, the Clintons and the Democratic Party generally, it is arguable that Trump is the lesser evil in this election. But lesser-evilism is a doctrine that becomes mere imbecility when the choice is between two stinking lumps of human offal that are creatures of the same filthy interests. It’s time to start thinking about the nature of a system that repeatedly presents us with false choices. Perhaps it can’t be otherwise: I suggest that at this point in history the presidency itself is an inherently corrupt and authoritarian institution. Like all other institutions, however, it’s a creature of consent: withdraw the consent, and the thing evaporates. Instead of voting for either of the walking corpses on offer, stay at home. A low turnout will undermine the legitimacy of the process and encourage the growing discussion of alternatives to it.
A liberal on the Supreme Court? Someone who actively moves toward more equality? That would be a change than four moderates who are fighting for any further erosion of our rights. Remember we had more under the Warren Court? Is there another William O Douglas out there?
The charade of “A Plague on Both Your Houses” if finally ending. If you can’t have Bernie, then you are going to take your ball and go home. Good for you! You showed us! We get to put up with Trump, and you get to feel self-satisfied!
Those who believe the end of the world is at hand if Biden isn’t elected will be happy to know that Bloomberg has just donated $100M to Biden’s campaign.
Trump will continue to sow discord in the Middle East (and at home) just as he has done for the past three and a half years. Remember the jets he sold to the Saudis to bomb poor Yemenis? How he did not hold them accountable for their murder of Khashoggi? How he flipped the finger to the Palestinians by moving the embassy to Jerusalem? His negotiating an accord between Israel and the autocratic UAE ain’t no peace prize winning move, either.
the urge for sarcasm gets ever greater. Ginsburg’s replacement will never be liberal enough for Rall, even if Sanders was President. Rall does not care about what he claims in this comic. Rall cares only about his ridiculous sense of self-righteousness.
Way to go Ted! You have no proof of your speculation, but you apparently have no problem with Trump killing of your fellow Americans, at a rate equal to another 9/11 every three days, and is now over three times the number of American fatalities in Vietnam. All because Bernie, who isn’t a registered Democrat, didn’t get the Democratic nomination. You’re depraved. On a more positive note, today’s art is a great improvement of your normal infantility.
Filling in the dot for Tramp means there is a small chance Ginsburg will pass away and be replaced by a proven incompetent senator Ted Cross, an immigrant Canadian and Tramp loyalist. Tramp will resign before he can be impeached again, be pardoned by Penny, and Melania, immigrant genius and anchor babe, will return to Slovakia with a good portion of Tramp’s GOP payoff- Slovakia having a far lower infection rate than the USSA, former first-world country.
Ted, how many times must we tell you? You do elections with the nominee you have, not the nominee you wish you have! Staying home on Election Day (or voting third party) and you might as well vote for Trump!
Rall seems to believe that Trump would not get into a war, and in this he may be right. Trump is a coward, takes no responsibility for anything and owes too much to the Russians to even begin to endanger his personal wealth, such as it may be. On the other hand, his training in Mafia tactics puts him right up there with hit man actions such as the assassination of the Iranian general or shaking down other nations as he did in the Ukraine situation. People will die as a result of his actions, but that doesn’t count unless they are dying from military actions. Dying from starvation or wildfires or pandemic disasters doesn’t count in Rall’s book apparently.
What if this criminal Trump Jared mideast coalition is going to attack Iran for their October surprise? Why do you think Trump is selling the Saudis weapons?
With all due respect: there is no scenario in THIS election where 30% of Americans will vote third party. Period. It won’t happen. This is the choice we have, to buy time to get someone better.
If #45 gets elected again, we won’t get that chance. He is already talking about getting a third term, and his evil pardoned genius Roger has said outright that he should declare martial law.
Meanwhile, Maine has introduced ranked-choice voting, which is one of the means by which we can finally break the domination of the two main parties. Once used, other states can begin using it, as they have changed the way their votes are used for the Electoral College, to break the power of that racist institution as well.
There are numerous Democratic legislators and candidates coming in from the left, pushing for voters’ rights.
Biden is supporting many of these initiatives, and is putting a solid anti-climate-change plank in his platform. #45 isn’t even PRETENDING to respect that. He is ENCOURAGING people to harass anyone who won’t vote for him.
How long do you think ANY of this will last under a second #45 administration? He’s already sending mercenaries to attack peaceful protestors. He is following the Hitler playbook he has read about for years. And he knows that if he ever leaves office alive, he will immediately face major criminal charges. He has no reason to leave, and many to stay.
I have children, Mr. Rall. Perhaps you don’t. I don’t wish to have them living in a fascist state, or have to face armed revolution to restore some semblance of a peaceful American government. Your willingness to do so merely reflects your privilege. Ask anyone of color what THEY think.
Should Bunker Boy steal the election not only is it likely that he will pick Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s replacement, there is a good chance that 82 year old Stephen Breyer would go. Also, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito could well step down to make way for younger conservative replacements. We could end up with six of nine justices appointed by the orange dumpster fire.
Any and all that Biden would nominate to the Supreme Court would be Liberals.
100s of thousands of Middle Easterners have died in war and will continue to, as their entire history proves. tRump’s ‘deal’ made by his son-in-law bribed the UAE and Bahrain with promised weapons sales. They won’t be playing nice with more arms. Peace in the Middle East depends solely on the Saudis.
Of course I fill in the dot for Biden. There is a chance that someone as good as Ruth gets nominated and the CERTAINTY that if I don’t then the next justice will be someone like Tom Cotton AND 10s of thousands in the middle east will die. Some Arab, some Israeli, some US with bounties paid by Putin to the Taliban with a slice taken off the top to pay off Cadet Bone Spurs for licking Putin’s boots.
Bad use of the Trolley Problem, which as a philosophical exercise is problematic enough as it is. But the premise is false. Trump has lifted protocols intended to limit the killing of civilians, so more civilians are likely to die if he remains in office. Further, less than a mile from where I live, there is an encampment on the southern bank of the Rio Grande River where nearly a thousand people seeking asylum in the US have been staying, many for over a year. Many thousands more have been forced to return to dire circumstances. Many of those people have been killed. I know Obama was the deporter-in-chief, but Biden has promised to reverse Trump’s border policies. The choice is clear.
I am not voting for the lesser of two evils. I am voting for the one candidate I see as clearly a superior choice over the incumbent.Someone on twitter asked one word to describe Biden. My answer was “mensch.”
Don’t worry, Ted. As Trump realizes he has no chance of being re-elected, he will start a war with Iran and you can have your thousands of Iranians (Persians) and Syrians (Middle-easterners) as well as American and allied lives that you want to attribute to Biden.
Ted Rall neglects (intentionally?) the provocative actions by Trump with regard to nuclear weapons and the inspections that helped with “trust but verify.” Not to mention the “Space Force.” As someone involved in the defense industry, and the consequences of nuclear war in particular, I find Trump’s actions (at the behest of some really idiotic conservatives) to represent a higher level of danger than anything represented by Biden.
Trump is not the sort of businessman who likes limitations on his ability to threaten and coerce those he deals with.
Political assassination?
Yep, he’s been there and done that, nearly triggering a war. And actually triggering a response that could have killed American troops.
I would vote for a house plant before I would vote for Trump. At least the house plant would do no harm. By the way, this cartoon makes absolutely no sense.
Which asks the question – how many Middle Easterners would die if Bernie were elected. Or are you of the opinion that Biden would start something that Bernie wouldn’t?
Wrong on both counts. Anyone Biden nominates for the SCOTUS will be vilified as ultra liberal whether true or not. And while the middle east is always a powder keg, Biden will not continue support for the war in Yemen and will ease tension with Iran. Lets just hope Bibi and Rump don’t cook up a little mid-east war to keep themselves in power.
Mr. Rall, I used to really appreciate your political cartoons. But I have to wonder: why on earth would you want us to suffer through four more years of Donald Trump? Biden wasn’t my first choice. He wasn’t even in my top 10. But I can’t imagine any sane person voting to re-elect Trump. What’s going on with you?
Concretionist over 3 years ago
Yes.
Because the only other realistic alternative is so much worse than 10s of thousands of deaths. He’s ALREADY responsible for more than 100 thousand deaths right here in the USA.
Say What Now‽ Premium Member over 3 years ago
Just say it Rall. You want to Rump to continue his rieng of corruption and racism until there is a civil war. You should go to one of his mask free crowded rallies to support him.
Daeder over 3 years ago
Yes. I fill in the dot to save tens of thousands of lives, to say nothing of American institutions, norms and way of life.
sevaar777 over 3 years ago
In the 60’s there was a slogan “America, love it, or leave it.” Now it’s “How fast can I get out of this madhouse?”
braindead Premium Member over 3 years ago
200,000 American deaths from the Trump virus. And counting.
A Traitor as president.
Kavanaugh.
.
Congratulations, Ted.
scala over 3 years ago
On the basis of the past performances of Biden, Obama, the Clintons and the Democratic Party generally, it is arguable that Trump is the lesser evil in this election. But lesser-evilism is a doctrine that becomes mere imbecility when the choice is between two stinking lumps of human offal that are creatures of the same filthy interests. It’s time to start thinking about the nature of a system that repeatedly presents us with false choices. Perhaps it can’t be otherwise: I suggest that at this point in history the presidency itself is an inherently corrupt and authoritarian institution. Like all other institutions, however, it’s a creature of consent: withdraw the consent, and the thing evaporates. Instead of voting for either of the walking corpses on offer, stay at home. A low turnout will undermine the legitimacy of the process and encourage the growing discussion of alternatives to it.
Nebulous Premium Member over 3 years ago
The Middle East has been in a more or less constant state of war for at least the last 5000 years.
And you want to blame it on Biden?? Or suggest that Trump could stop it? HA!
Denver Reader Premium Member over 3 years ago
You have no proof he’d start a war nor do you have good reason to believe that Bernie would have been different in that regard.
VegaAlopex over 3 years ago
A liberal on the Supreme Court? Someone who actively moves toward more equality? That would be a change than four moderates who are fighting for any further erosion of our rights. Remember we had more under the Warren Court? Is there another William O Douglas out there?
thebashfulone over 3 years ago
The charade of “A Plague on Both Your Houses” if finally ending. If you can’t have Bernie, then you are going to take your ball and go home. Good for you! You showed us! We get to put up with Trump, and you get to feel self-satisfied!
jmarkleonard Premium Member over 3 years ago
I wish it were otherwise, but the Middle Easterners will likely die in some sort of “military action” anyway.
Pickled Pete over 3 years ago
Which president is responsible for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? Which party was that again?
Lies got the US into Iraq, and you are expecting lies to get you out??
jgreathead over 3 years ago
I don’t know, Rall. I don’t think you’re helping much.
jgreathead over 3 years ago
I don’t know, Rall. You’re not helping much.
Màiri over 3 years ago
Those who believe the end of the world is at hand if Biden isn’t elected will be happy to know that Bloomberg has just donated $100M to Biden’s campaign.
Durak Premium Member over 3 years ago
See today’s Tom Toles for my answer.
NeedaChuckle Premium Member over 3 years ago
walfishj over 3 years ago
Ted Rall: Tripping out during the pandemic? Cause this don’ got no connection to reality.
rossevrymn over 3 years ago
The steady drumbeat of nothing.
buer over 3 years ago
Hey, according to Roger Stone, if you fill the dot for Biden, Trump will arrest the Clintons and Mark Zuckerberg… That could be tempting.
chris.lemarie over 3 years ago
Tens of thousands of Middle Easterners will die in a new war… Based on what, Mr. Rall?
IAMTHELAW Premium Member over 3 years ago
Trump will continue to sow discord in the Middle East (and at home) just as he has done for the past three and a half years. Remember the jets he sold to the Saudis to bomb poor Yemenis? How he did not hold them accountable for their murder of Khashoggi? How he flipped the finger to the Palestinians by moving the embassy to Jerusalem? His negotiating an accord between Israel and the autocratic UAE ain’t no peace prize winning move, either.
saltwise over 3 years ago
You have lost your mind Rall.
RalphConti over 3 years ago
the urge for sarcasm gets ever greater. Ginsburg’s replacement will never be liberal enough for Rall, even if Sanders was President. Rall does not care about what he claims in this comic. Rall cares only about his ridiculous sense of self-righteousness.
countoftowergrove over 3 years ago
Way to go Ted! You have no proof of your speculation, but you apparently have no problem with Trump killing of your fellow Americans, at a rate equal to another 9/11 every three days, and is now over three times the number of American fatalities in Vietnam. All because Bernie, who isn’t a registered Democrat, didn’t get the Democratic nomination. You’re depraved. On a more positive note, today’s art is a great improvement of your normal infantility.
Serial Pedant over 3 years ago
Filling in the dot for Tramp means there is a small chance Ginsburg will pass away and be replaced by a proven incompetent senator Ted Cross, an immigrant Canadian and Tramp loyalist. Tramp will resign before he can be impeached again, be pardoned by Penny, and Melania, immigrant genius and anchor babe, will return to Slovakia with a good portion of Tramp’s GOP payoff- Slovakia having a far lower infection rate than the USSA, former first-world country.
Woodstock Generation Premium Member over 3 years ago
Trump is backing the Shia versus the Sunni. What is the risk of a big war in the Middle East?
Northgalus2002 over 3 years ago
Ted, how many times must we tell you? You do elections with the nominee you have, not the nominee you wish you have! Staying home on Election Day (or voting third party) and you might as well vote for Trump!
martens over 3 years ago
Rall seems to believe that Trump would not get into a war, and in this he may be right. Trump is a coward, takes no responsibility for anything and owes too much to the Russians to even begin to endanger his personal wealth, such as it may be. On the other hand, his training in Mafia tactics puts him right up there with hit man actions such as the assassination of the Iranian general or shaking down other nations as he did in the Ukraine situation. People will die as a result of his actions, but that doesn’t count unless they are dying from military actions. Dying from starvation or wildfires or pandemic disasters doesn’t count in Rall’s book apparently.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
What if this criminal Trump Jared mideast coalition is going to attack Iran for their October surprise? Why do you think Trump is selling the Saudis weapons?
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
I haven’t seen Biden argue for mideast war, Rall is drinking the orange kool aid.
Motivemagus over 3 years ago
Mr. Rall:
With all due respect: there is no scenario in THIS election where 30% of Americans will vote third party. Period. It won’t happen. This is the choice we have, to buy time to get someone better.
If #45 gets elected again, we won’t get that chance. He is already talking about getting a third term, and his evil pardoned genius Roger has said outright that he should declare martial law.
Meanwhile, Maine has introduced ranked-choice voting, which is one of the means by which we can finally break the domination of the two main parties. Once used, other states can begin using it, as they have changed the way their votes are used for the Electoral College, to break the power of that racist institution as well.
There are numerous Democratic legislators and candidates coming in from the left, pushing for voters’ rights.
Biden is supporting many of these initiatives, and is putting a solid anti-climate-change plank in his platform. #45 isn’t even PRETENDING to respect that. He is ENCOURAGING people to harass anyone who won’t vote for him.
How long do you think ANY of this will last under a second #45 administration? He’s already sending mercenaries to attack peaceful protestors. He is following the Hitler playbook he has read about for years. And he knows that if he ever leaves office alive, he will immediately face major criminal charges. He has no reason to leave, and many to stay.
I have children, Mr. Rall. Perhaps you don’t. I don’t wish to have them living in a fascist state, or have to face armed revolution to restore some semblance of a peaceful American government. Your willingness to do so merely reflects your privilege. Ask anyone of color what THEY think.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
Trump is doing ‘exactly what the Russians’ want him to do: Ex-intelligence official
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/trump-is-doing-exactly-what-the-russians-want-him-to-do-ex-intelligence-official/
Alberta Oil Premium Member over 3 years ago
Censors remove/ban us for far less than the nonsense Ted spouts.. Wake up censors.. Ted is stretching the concept of free speech.
Newenglandah over 3 years ago
More than voting for Ginsburg’s replacement.
Should Bunker Boy steal the election not only is it likely that he will pick Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s replacement, there is a good chance that 82 year old Stephen Breyer would go. Also, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito could well step down to make way for younger conservative replacements. We could end up with six of nine justices appointed by the orange dumpster fire.
ncorgbl over 3 years ago
Any and all that Biden would nominate to the Supreme Court would be Liberals.
100s of thousands of Middle Easterners have died in war and will continue to, as their entire history proves. tRump’s ‘deal’ made by his son-in-law bribed the UAE and Bahrain with promised weapons sales. They won’t be playing nice with more arms. Peace in the Middle East depends solely on the Saudis.
Vidrinath Premium Member over 3 years ago
Of course I fill in the dot for Biden. There is a chance that someone as good as Ruth gets nominated and the CERTAINTY that if I don’t then the next justice will be someone like Tom Cotton AND 10s of thousands in the middle east will die. Some Arab, some Israeli, some US with bounties paid by Putin to the Taliban with a slice taken off the top to pay off Cadet Bone Spurs for licking Putin’s boots.
Radish the wordsmith over 3 years ago
‘Full Democratic sweep’: Wells Fargo analyst unnerves Fox Business host with election forecast
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/full-democratic-sweep-wells-fargo-analyst-unnerves-fox-business-host-with-election-forecast/
halvincobbes Premium Member over 3 years ago
Once again – You invent a scenario and then get angry about it. You’re as bad as QAnon and Fox news.
mjkaswan Premium Member over 3 years ago
Bad use of the Trolley Problem, which as a philosophical exercise is problematic enough as it is. But the premise is false. Trump has lifted protocols intended to limit the killing of civilians, so more civilians are likely to die if he remains in office. Further, less than a mile from where I live, there is an encampment on the southern bank of the Rio Grande River where nearly a thousand people seeking asylum in the US have been staying, many for over a year. Many thousands more have been forced to return to dire circumstances. Many of those people have been killed. I know Obama was the deporter-in-chief, but Biden has promised to reverse Trump’s border policies. The choice is clear.
Not the Smartest Man On the Planet -- Maybe Close Premium Member over 3 years ago
Anyone but Trump.
BE THIS GUY over 3 years ago
I am not voting for the lesser of two evils. I am voting for the one candidate I see as clearly a superior choice over the incumbent.Someone on twitter asked one word to describe Biden. My answer was “mensch.”
I left this reply on your Twitter account also.
Madzdad the bard over 3 years ago
Don’t worry, Ted. As Trump realizes he has no chance of being re-elected, he will start a war with Iran and you can have your thousands of Iranians (Persians) and Syrians (Middle-easterners) as well as American and allied lives that you want to attribute to Biden.
walkingmancomics over 3 years ago
yes. Biden.
ruthkando over 3 years ago
Explore and support the Peoples Party for a future option.
Yammo Premium Member over 3 years ago
Not towing the party line…looking at the whole picture. Respect, Ted.
Baslim the Beggar Premium Member over 3 years ago
Ted Rall neglects (intentionally?) the provocative actions by Trump with regard to nuclear weapons and the inspections that helped with “trust but verify.” Not to mention the “Space Force.” As someone involved in the defense industry, and the consequences of nuclear war in particular, I find Trump’s actions (at the behest of some really idiotic conservatives) to represent a higher level of danger than anything represented by Biden.
Trump is not the sort of businessman who likes limitations on his ability to threaten and coerce those he deals with.
Political assassination?Yep, he’s been there and done that, nearly triggering a war. And actually triggering a response that could have killed American troops.
XtopherSD over 3 years ago
Truly one of Rall’s greatest reductio ad absurdum toons. I’m breathless.
charliekane over 3 years ago
WTF? Goin’ all toys in the attic on this election, ain’t we Mr. Ted?
jvscanlan Premium Member over 3 years ago
Ridiculous assertion Ted
Timeflyer2 over 3 years ago
I would vote for a house plant before I would vote for Trump. At least the house plant would do no harm. By the way, this cartoon makes absolutely no sense.
gregorylkruse Premium Member over 3 years ago
Yes.
[Unnamed Reader - bf182b] over 3 years ago
Which asks the question – how many Middle Easterners would die if Bernie were elected. Or are you of the opinion that Biden would start something that Bernie wouldn’t?
JRobinson Premium Member over 3 years ago
I’m sorry dude, but you’re just grasping at straws now.
Mikey over 3 years ago
Ha! Biden is And has been a total warmonger. Vote for him if you agree. Trumps just an a-hole but he knows what room he’s in. #joebot
opsono over 3 years ago
WTF? I thought Rall had an ounce of sense….
mistercatworks over 3 years ago
OOOh. A liberal. Doesn’t sting like it used to. We’ve seen what so-called conservatives have done to the country
Durak Premium Member over 3 years ago
More and more I believe Ted Rall and Mike Lester share opposite sides of the same crazy coin.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] over 3 years ago
Trump has done nothing to end any wars the USA is involved in.
Boomer Premium Member over 3 years ago
Wrong on both counts. Anyone Biden nominates for the SCOTUS will be vilified as ultra liberal whether true or not. And while the middle east is always a powder keg, Biden will not continue support for the war in Yemen and will ease tension with Iran. Lets just hope Bibi and Rump don’t cook up a little mid-east war to keep themselves in power.
tbarry718 over 3 years ago
That’s not how the trolley problem works.
rossevrymn over 3 years ago
Ted, do you have health care?
rmfrye Premium Member over 3 years ago
So, welcome to the misinformation bandwagon. Aren’t you late for your QAnon meeting?
jnfinkelstein over 3 years ago
Mr. Rall, I used to really appreciate your political cartoons. But I have to wonder: why on earth would you want us to suffer through four more years of Donald Trump? Biden wasn’t my first choice. He wasn’t even in my top 10. But I can’t imagine any sane person voting to re-elect Trump. What’s going on with you?
abraxas over 3 years ago
False dichotomy. Don’t fall for this crap. Fill in the dot.