Shoehorn as many seats as possible in the airliner to the point they are torture devices and then bitch at those that use those seats as they were designed. All for a few dollars more.
I figured out some time ago that it wasn’t worth while to fly if I could drive there in a day. Between driving to the airport, paying for parking, getting through security, and then arriving at my destination and having to rely on public transportation, I wasn’t saving enough time to make the trip worth the hassle or cost. If it takes more than a day to drive, I’ll fly, and since I live in flyover country most destinations are within a day’s drive.
And about those seats (another reason in my opinion to avoid driving). There was a time when air travel was luxurious. Seats were comfortable and spacious, food was decent, and passengers were treated with respect. We have traded comfort for cheap fares. Amtrak seats, on the other hand, are spacious, and the meals in the dining car are pretty good.
They have reclining seats so if nobody is seated behind you (it used to happen) you could recline all the way. If you recline more than a little with someone behind you unless it’s an overnight flight or they’re ok with it, you’re an a**hole.
When the person sitting in front of me wants to recline – and can’t because my legs are jammed up against the back of their seat – I always ask them if they can tell me where I should put my legs. In my mind, I’ve purchased the space, not just the seat. If I don’t want to give away that space, that’s my decision.
I was on a Frontier flight and the stewardess came down the aisle telling everyone “tray tables up, seats fully upright”. I asked if the seats actually reclined, and she said “only the first 3 rows”. I was in row 24.
Yup, flight rage is a real thing. But, most passengers want as inexpensive flights as possible, and are (seemingly) willing to put up with a lot of discomfort to get it. To keep profits up (in 2018, the average profit was 9%) airlines jam as many people in as possible. We’re getting what we are willing to pay for.
It’s only getting more fun when some people bring companion animals on flights to help regulate their anxiety, not understanding that such animals raise the anxiety of others.
If we wanted better, we’d need to regulate (gasp!) the industry like it was 45 years ago. But no, it’s far better to let the market figure it out, along with explosions from exasperated flight attendants and traumatized passengers.
In ANY other public space where people were sardined like in an airplane, a fire marshal would arrest the manager on the spot and chain the doors shut. The industry friendly FAA is failing to keep us safe for the same reason they allowed 737s to bypass safety regs. $$$
Granted, some people are jerks – like the ones that immediately drop their seatbacks to maximum recline as soon as they’re in the air – but airlines created the problem and they can solve the problem.
The reclining function makes no sense to me if they have the tray table and a video screen attached to the back of the seat. You are negatively impacting one passenger’s amenities with another passenger’s amenities. Not to mention the leg room thing. Which wasn’t an issue when I started flying…but I am pretty certain there is less leg room now. I didn’t get any taller in the decades after puberty.
A seat that theoretically ‘reclines’ gives the illusion that the airline cares about one’s comfort. I’ve had minor annoyance from reclining narcissists in front of me, but a great deal more provocation from both 1) those whose weight/bulk leaves them sitting in my seat as well as theirs, and 2) noisy children. ( I do feel sympathy for the overburdened parent, though), and 3) those who board with a hacking or wet cough and continue spewing expelled droplets throughout the flight without even a nod toward apology.
There is the first mistake: American Airlines. No business on the planet treats their customers with more contempt and provides worse service than American Airlines. Nobody. Flying sucks, no matter which airline, but AA is in a class by themselves.
The fault lies in the airlines putting six people in the space of three. She paid her money for a reclining seat. He knowingly paid for the cheapest seat on the plane. People shouldn’t take their bad decisions out on others. I’ve had that seat. It sucks. Tough – live with a bad decision. As far as asking permission to recline, she asked permission when she purchased a seat that reclines. By selling her the ticket, the airline said, “Sure. Permission granted.”
That’s a hilarious comment. Republicans aren’t the ones that go wild when they don’t get their way. Burn businesses, trash neighborhoods. That’s your idea of courtesy?
Because a long long time ago, airplane tickets cost enough to allow them a profit even with seats that were large enough to fit a natural human and spaced far enough apart to allow for things like leaving in an emergency or leaning back without actually compressing the knees of the person behind. So there’s history, not to mention a LOT of expensive seats that are built to recline.
Since then, the price of avgas has (ahem) skyrocketed, the stockholders have demanded greater rates of return, Southwest (and others) have found a way to make cramming us aboard a little more attractive… well, less awful anyway… by fiddling with prices and services and the laughingly named TSA has conditioned us to accept the most preposterous mistreatment as a matter of course.
Anyone who reclines their seat deserves to be tossed off the airplane mid-flight. Anyone who attempts to recline their seat in front of me will get their seat punched, and worse. I make sure the first thing I do after boarding is to block the seat in front of me from reclining. You didn’t pay for a scalp massage so you don’t get to have your head in my lap so I can’t read or eat or knit or work on my laptop or get out of my seat. It’s barbaric, staggeringly selfish, and should be criminal to recline an airplane seat.
lopaka about 4 years ago
Shoehorn as many seats as possible in the airliner to the point they are torture devices and then bitch at those that use those seats as they were designed. All for a few dollars more.
SeanT about 4 years ago
I figured out some time ago that it wasn’t worth while to fly if I could drive there in a day. Between driving to the airport, paying for parking, getting through security, and then arriving at my destination and having to rely on public transportation, I wasn’t saving enough time to make the trip worth the hassle or cost. If it takes more than a day to drive, I’ll fly, and since I live in flyover country most destinations are within a day’s drive.
And about those seats (another reason in my opinion to avoid driving). There was a time when air travel was luxurious. Seats were comfortable and spacious, food was decent, and passengers were treated with respect. We have traded comfort for cheap fares. Amtrak seats, on the other hand, are spacious, and the meals in the dining car are pretty good.
Vidrinath Premium Member about 4 years ago
In reference to this?
https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/41698102/update-delta-ceo-comments-on-video-of-man-punching-airline-passengers-economy-seat
Zebrastripes about 4 years ago
I’m done flying…..I drank Red Bull and got my own wings….
ed27 about 4 years ago
They have reclining seats so if nobody is seated behind you (it used to happen) you could recline all the way. If you recline more than a little with someone behind you unless it’s an overnight flight or they’re ok with it, you’re an a**hole.
GLB1 about 4 years ago
When the person sitting in front of me wants to recline – and can’t because my legs are jammed up against the back of their seat – I always ask them if they can tell me where I should put my legs. In my mind, I’ve purchased the space, not just the seat. If I don’t want to give away that space, that’s my decision.
Odon Premium Member about 4 years ago
And who hasn’t been on a flight with a seat reclined effectively blocking their ability to easily exit to use the lav?
midevilmommy about 4 years ago
I was on a Frontier flight and the stewardess came down the aisle telling everyone “tray tables up, seats fully upright”. I asked if the seats actually reclined, and she said “only the first 3 rows”. I was in row 24.
Thankfully only a 2 hour flight.
kilioopu about 4 years ago
Yup, flight rage is a real thing. But, most passengers want as inexpensive flights as possible, and are (seemingly) willing to put up with a lot of discomfort to get it. To keep profits up (in 2018, the average profit was 9%) airlines jam as many people in as possible. We’re getting what we are willing to pay for.
It’s only getting more fun when some people bring companion animals on flights to help regulate their anxiety, not understanding that such animals raise the anxiety of others.
If we wanted better, we’d need to regulate (gasp!) the industry like it was 45 years ago. But no, it’s far better to let the market figure it out, along with explosions from exasperated flight attendants and traumatized passengers.
walfishj about 4 years ago
Apparently, Snr Ramirez, like most republicans, have never heard the word courtesy.
MG about 4 years ago
In ANY other public space where people were sardined like in an airplane, a fire marshal would arrest the manager on the spot and chain the doors shut. The industry friendly FAA is failing to keep us safe for the same reason they allowed 737s to bypass safety regs. $$$
thelordthygod666 about 4 years ago
Granted, some people are jerks – like the ones that immediately drop their seatbacks to maximum recline as soon as they’re in the air – but airlines created the problem and they can solve the problem.
TArbiter about 4 years ago
All those empty seats…not like any flight I’ve been on in the last fifteen years.
StackableContainers about 4 years ago
The reclining function makes no sense to me if they have the tray table and a video screen attached to the back of the seat. You are negatively impacting one passenger’s amenities with another passenger’s amenities. Not to mention the leg room thing. Which wasn’t an issue when I started flying…but I am pretty certain there is less leg room now. I didn’t get any taller in the decades after puberty.
ideations about 4 years ago
It is all about the money.
thomaspryan about 4 years ago
I blame Trump.
fusilier about 4 years ago
Why do you hate capitalism, Mr. Ramirez?
fusilier, who remembers Daughters #1, and #2 greeting him at the gate when he got home
James 2:24
gcottay about 4 years ago
Here’s the formula:
1) Pervert capitalism to make profit an end rather than a means.
2) Reward, even demand, short term results.
braindead Premium Member about 4 years ago
Thank God for deregulation — and Republicans, of course.
Holden Awn about 4 years ago
A seat that theoretically ‘reclines’ gives the illusion that the airline cares about one’s comfort. I’ve had minor annoyance from reclining narcissists in front of me, but a great deal more provocation from both 1) those whose weight/bulk leaves them sitting in my seat as well as theirs, and 2) noisy children. ( I do feel sympathy for the overburdened parent, though), and 3) those who board with a hacking or wet cough and continue spewing expelled droplets throughout the flight without even a nod toward apology.
Walter Parmantie Premium Member about 4 years ago
clayusmcret Premium Member about 4 years ago
The fault lies in the airlines putting six people in the space of three. She paid her money for a reclining seat. He knowingly paid for the cheapest seat on the plane. People shouldn’t take their bad decisions out on others. I’ve had that seat. It sucks. Tough – live with a bad decision. As far as asking permission to recline, she asked permission when she purchased a seat that reclines. By selling her the ticket, the airline said, “Sure. Permission granted.”
jhayesd31 about 4 years ago
News Shortage Grips the Nation?
In a world of 7 Billion people Ramirez highlights one person being uncomfortable for a few hours….
braindead Premium Member about 4 years ago
C’mon jhayesd31.
‘Ja expect him to comment on Barr’s sabotaging prosecutions of Republicans?
Patjade about 4 years ago
They have them on the off chance there may be empty seats behind you on some flights. Now aren’t you glad you asked?
Daeder about 4 years ago
Another hard-hitting cartoon about serious political issues.
Sally12 about 4 years ago
That’s a hilarious comment. Republicans aren’t the ones that go wild when they don’t get their way. Burn businesses, trash neighborhoods. That’s your idea of courtesy?
Concretionist about 4 years ago
Because a long long time ago, airplane tickets cost enough to allow them a profit even with seats that were large enough to fit a natural human and spaced far enough apart to allow for things like leaving in an emergency or leaning back without actually compressing the knees of the person behind. So there’s history, not to mention a LOT of expensive seats that are built to recline.
Since then, the price of avgas has (ahem) skyrocketed, the stockholders have demanded greater rates of return, Southwest (and others) have found a way to make cramming us aboard a little more attractive… well, less awful anyway… by fiddling with prices and services and the laughingly named TSA has conditioned us to accept the most preposterous mistreatment as a matter of course.
Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo] about 4 years ago
I have heard about instituting standing only areas.
rowena28 Premium Member about 4 years ago
Anyone who reclines their seat deserves to be tossed off the airplane mid-flight. Anyone who attempts to recline their seat in front of me will get their seat punched, and worse. I make sure the first thing I do after boarding is to block the seat in front of me from reclining. You didn’t pay for a scalp massage so you don’t get to have your head in my lap so I can’t read or eat or knit or work on my laptop or get out of my seat. It’s barbaric, staggeringly selfish, and should be criminal to recline an airplane seat.