Yes, this is how it went down in Arizona. The real red flag for Ducey seems to be the phrase itself and the NRA’s opinion.
After a story was initially published spokesman Patrick Ptak said that it is “flat wrong” to say Ducey has reversed his stance. “The governor hasn’t changed his position on anything,” he said.
Ptak said red flag laws and Ducey’s STOP orders, for Severe Threat Order of Protection, are not the same. Although both would allow family and police to go to court to remove a person’s guns, Ptak said the governor believes his plan “is different than and far superior to” red flag laws because it includes more due process. He said those due process provisions, including requiring “clear and convincing evidence” and making it a felony to file a false petition to remove a person’s guns, led the National Rifle Association to endorse STOP orders.
In general, Ducey is pretty moderate but the Republican party makes it hard.
Is the dude in the orange t-shirt Derelict Eric famous for running the illegal immigrant work farm, Mar-a-Lago, for the Orange Toad in the White House.
And another governor caves to the NRA. I know Mohave County (where Ducey gave the speech announcing his change of heart) is deep red, and I know Ducey’s got something else in mind that he now supports in place of “red flag” laws, but c’mon guv – what’s it gonna take? A mass shooting in the Phoenix or Tucson areas?
On the other hand, given Ducey’s track record (which includes the following list of actions), maybe we shouldn’t be too surprised.
Ducey actions:
1/15/2015 – signed into law an education bill requiring high school students to pass the U.S. citizenship test in order to graduate. Arizona was the first state to take this action.
3/30/2015 – vetoed a bill that would have prohibited police departments from establishing quotas for traffic citations. Seems to me there’s something inherently inappropriate and perhaps worse in requiring officers to meet a quota for the issuance of traffic citations.
3/31/2017 – signed into law a bill requiring doctors to care for babies born alive during abortions. Yep – Republicants are bound and determined to overrule every woman’s right to make her own medical decisions no matter what it takes. Maybe that Alabama representative who recently introduced a bill requiring mandatory vasectomies at age 50, has a good idea?
4/06/2017 – signed into law a major school voucher expansion bill that extended eligibility to every student in Arizona. Gotta think the noise we all hear is Horace Mann turning in his grave.
Utah’s mention of Red Flag laws brought swift screeches of “NO!” Yeah, God’s given reich wing love of guns over their own children. Despite suicide among teens and child related gun deaths, Utah legislators come up with feeble attempts to pretend guns aren’t an issue. Support Everytown to reduce gun violence, and Moms Demand Action, in your local communities. Screw the NRA GOP Republicans!
No matter what your cause is, it’ll remain a lost cause until we get at the root of the problem, which is big money (especially big DARK money) in politics. But 10% of us are working on gun violence, 10% on climate change, 10% on women’s health, 10% on workers’ rights, 10% on prison reform, 10% on gerrymandering, 10% on gay rights, 10% on immigration, 10% on the ERA, etc. We’ve gotta get our act together and all go after the one big elephant in the room. I’m not holding my breath.
There was an article in a recent issue of the Reader’s Digest (February, I think, but don’t quote me) that reported a poll which revealed something close to 90% of Americans want background checks, 70% want licensing, and so forth. Why, oh WHY, do our lawmakers pander to the minority? Yeah, NRA money.
The problem with these laws is that the people targeted have almost always already committed crimes that should have been dealt with. Threats of violence being the most common. People who qualify for a “Baker” confinement, people who are violating protection orders, etc, etc, etc.
If law enforcement chose to arrest instead of ignoring or de-escalating quite a few of the shooters in the public spotlight would have been in jail or already prohibited from legal purchase of firearms.
If we have laws that say some violence-prone person is such a danger to her or his own children that we can take the children away, surely we can set up the same kind of process for taking their dangerous weapons away.
brwydave Premium Member about 4 years ago
There’s a local story here that is not apparent to us in other state – but the cartoon does tell us a lot. Too bad.
gcottay about 4 years ago
Yes, this is how it went down in Arizona. The real red flag for Ducey seems to be the phrase itself and the NRA’s opinion.
After a story was initially published spokesman Patrick Ptak said that it is “flat wrong” to say Ducey has reversed his stance. “The governor hasn’t changed his position on anything,” he said.
Ptak said red flag laws and Ducey’s STOP orders, for Severe Threat Order of Protection, are not the same. Although both would allow family and police to go to court to remove a person’s guns, Ptak said the governor believes his plan “is different than and far superior to” red flag laws because it includes more due process. He said those due process provisions, including requiring “clear and convincing evidence” and making it a felony to file a false petition to remove a person’s guns, led the National Rifle Association to endorse STOP orders.
In general, Ducey is pretty moderate but the Republican party makes it hard.
kentmarx36 about 4 years ago
Is the dude in the orange t-shirt Derelict Eric famous for running the illegal immigrant work farm, Mar-a-Lago, for the Orange Toad in the White House.
FaustoCoppi about 4 years ago
And another governor caves to the NRA. I know Mohave County (where Ducey gave the speech announcing his change of heart) is deep red, and I know Ducey’s got something else in mind that he now supports in place of “red flag” laws, but c’mon guv – what’s it gonna take? A mass shooting in the Phoenix or Tucson areas?
On the other hand, given Ducey’s track record (which includes the following list of actions), maybe we shouldn’t be too surprised.
Ducey actions:
1/15/2015 – signed into law an education bill requiring high school students to pass the U.S. citizenship test in order to graduate. Arizona was the first state to take this action.
3/30/2015 – vetoed a bill that would have prohibited police departments from establishing quotas for traffic citations. Seems to me there’s something inherently inappropriate and perhaps worse in requiring officers to meet a quota for the issuance of traffic citations.
3/31/2017 – signed into law a bill requiring doctors to care for babies born alive during abortions. Yep – Republicants are bound and determined to overrule every woman’s right to make her own medical decisions no matter what it takes. Maybe that Alabama representative who recently introduced a bill requiring mandatory vasectomies at age 50, has a good idea?
4/06/2017 – signed into law a major school voucher expansion bill that extended eligibility to every student in Arizona. Gotta think the noise we all hear is Horace Mann turning in his grave.
Condoreggs Premium Member about 4 years ago
Utah’s mention of Red Flag laws brought swift screeches of “NO!” Yeah, God’s given reich wing love of guns over their own children. Despite suicide among teens and child related gun deaths, Utah legislators come up with feeble attempts to pretend guns aren’t an issue. Support Everytown to reduce gun violence, and Moms Demand Action, in your local communities. Screw the NRA GOP Republicans!
Richard S Russell Premium Member about 4 years ago
No matter what your cause is, it’ll remain a lost cause until we get at the root of the problem, which is big money (especially big DARK money) in politics. But 10% of us are working on gun violence, 10% on climate change, 10% on women’s health, 10% on workers’ rights, 10% on prison reform, 10% on gerrymandering, 10% on gay rights, 10% on immigration, 10% on the ERA, etc. We’ve gotta get our act together and all go after the one big elephant in the room. I’m not holding my breath.
Dani Rice about 4 years ago
There was an article in a recent issue of the Reader’s Digest (February, I think, but don’t quote me) that reported a poll which revealed something close to 90% of Americans want background checks, 70% want licensing, and so forth. Why, oh WHY, do our lawmakers pander to the minority? Yeah, NRA money.
Andylit Premium Member about 4 years ago
The problem with these laws is that the people targeted have almost always already committed crimes that should have been dealt with. Threats of violence being the most common. People who qualify for a “Baker” confinement, people who are violating protection orders, etc, etc, etc.
If law enforcement chose to arrest instead of ignoring or de-escalating quite a few of the shooters in the public spotlight would have been in jail or already prohibited from legal purchase of firearms.
Richard S Russell Premium Member about 4 years ago
If we have laws that say some violence-prone person is such a danger to her or his own children that we can take the children away, surely we can set up the same kind of process for taking their dangerous weapons away.
trimguy about 4 years ago
Wuss
Diane Lee Premium Member about 4 years ago
Check this out, it’s great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQPeVJQaUSw